
I would like to beat a dead horse – bear with me.
Let me briefly revisit the Jack-Calderon-Turkoglu end-of-game combination.
The final straw for me likely occurred a while back, but the “final final” straw occurred Tuesday night against the Lakers. With the game tied at 96 apiece, our infamous lineup was assembled to close out the game. Triano’s traditional defense to the media is that he likes having several ball handlers and shooters in these situations. The argument is based on the desire to protect the ball, have good ball movement and have the most effective scoring options. Our argument against is summed up best by the National Post’s Eric Koreen who simply said “too many cooks” in a tweet. So what happened in the last 5:45 minutes of the Lakers game with that lineup?
Our ball handling threesome combined for 2 costly turnovers, only 1 assist and shot 0 for 4 from beyond the arc – in almost six minutes of play. Chris Bosh made the lonely three (more than the others combined) and also had more assists than those three combined.
Statistically, it remains (well almost) the worst lineup. We just give up way too much on the defensive end as well as rebounding with this combination.
The lineup’s Defensive Rating is 126.1 (!!!) versus the team’s already brutal average of 112.5. The lineup’s defensive rebound % is 58.8%, well below the 66.4% of the average lineup. And to top it all off, the offensive rating is only a couple points better than average. Too many cooks indeed.
So who should start and who should finish?
With the embarrassing (due to lack of defensive effort) losses to Philadelphia and Sacramento, there is increased talk about shaking up the starting lineup – and why not, it cannot get much worse. Doug Smith hints that Calderon and Wright might replace Jack and DeRozan
I may be an idiot according to someone who’s opinion I have a ton of respect for, but here’s likely the best option (statistically) for the Raptors starting – given that I think (realistically) you need to have Turkoglu and Bargnani starting:
Jack, Jarrett – Wright, Antoine – Turkoglu, Hedo – Bargnani, Andrea – Bosh, Chris
Statistically there’s a lot of noise, but this lineup is slightly better than one with Calderon starting. And, at the risk of using “common sense”, Calderon seems better suited coming off the bench. He also pairs nicely with Johnson.
Before I get roasted by defending Wright (well, I still will regardless)…
Besides what the numbers tell us, I prefer Wright for one key reason: we desperately need to improve our defense at the wings. And we need to match our best wing defender on our opponent’s best wing – who, of course, always starts. He improves the team’s defensive rating and offensive rebounding rate as well. Remember how well he guarded Kobe’s two last second shots (despite the fact Kobe made one)?
And yes, his PER is terrible. While hot in January, his eFG% has dropped significantly as of late. I’ve been known to shout at the TV at his poor shot selection.
So why have him start?! I’d try it for two reasons:
- It balances out our weaknesses in our starting lineup – and with four scorers, we shouldn’t be desperate for offensive production from him.
- You challenge him back.
It seems to me like there are two main ways to handle these comments by a player:
- Sit his butt at the end of the bench (usually preferred)
- Sit down with him before the game and shove it back at him “Okay, if you’re going to talk the talk, you’d better walk the walk. The intensity on defense is our biggest weakness. You can lead by example. You’re starting – back up your comments – the challenge is yours”
Inserting Wright into the starting lineup isn’t likely “the answer” but I believe it optimizes a tough situation (overall weakness at the wing). Triano should also communicate that he’s to limit his shots – and being with the offensive minded starting lineup, he won’t feel the need to force things.
Let’s be clear, none of our wings this year are standouts (Turkoglu included so far) – so how to we maximize them?
Politics and sensitivities exist – hence by view to continue to start both Turkoglu and Bargnani.
Mid-game I would want to see plenty of Calderon-Weems-DeRozan-Johnson-Bosh.
You have a balance of ball handling, athleticism, shooting, rebounding and defense.
But what about closing the game out?
This is, of course, situation dependent.
Close game or ahead:
Jack, Jarrett – Wright or Weems – Turkoglu, Hedo – Johnson, Amir – Bosh, Chris
Just enough cooks, just enough shooters, just enough defense and just enough rebounding
Bargnani should not play in this situation due to significant negative impact on rebounding and defense.
If significantly behind (and little time left):
Jack or Calderon – Belinelli, Marco – Turkoglu, Hedo – Bargnani, Andrea – Bosh, Chris
And finally – when you know you’re getting a timeout and can trade offense for defense and vice-versa:
Off: Jack or Calderon – Belinelli, Marco – Turkoglu, Hedo – Bargnani, Andrea – Bosh, Chris
Def: Jack, Jarrett – Weems, Sonny – Wright, Antoine – Johnson, Amir – Bosh, Chris
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Is there any point in making these posts? Nothing we can say or do will affect Triano. He is a stubborn mule. We all know what should be done, but management doesn’t want to do it.
Not trying to shout you down Tom, but having Jack guard Kobe should be enough to tell us that Triano will do whatever he damn well pleases.
There is increased pressure not to keep the status quo, I believe.
But how can we at this late stage be running a 2 PG lineup, given the enormous evidence that it doesn’t work? It means that Triano has fundamentally different ideas about what works and doesn’t work in basketball. I’m sure he watches the video and is also aware of the statistical evidence against it…but he is coming to very different conclusions. It is just amazing to me that 60+ games into the season, we still have to justify why 2 PGs is a bad idea.
“Bargnani should not play in this situation due to significant negative impact on rebounding and defense.”
Bargnani leads the league in shotblocking in the last 5 minutes of games where the score is close. (5.5 blocks per 48)
Andrea is a decent shot blocker this year.
I believe he has a total of 11 in that timeframe – which is solid, but not overly material to the overall picture.
Defense is more about blocking shots – you have to change the possession to be truly valuable.
Giving up second chance points by not blocking out is not a good situation. As is obtaining less offensive rebounds.
Bargnani has defended well at the end of close games. He’s always been Triano’s measuring stick – tap into his potential for 48 minutes a game and you have a good team. Fail to do that and you have a team with a star PF and mediocre, jump-shooting centre.
It’s hard not to see Triano’s choice as narcissism.
“Me point guard. Point guard good.” (insert caveman noise).
Very stubborn, indeed.
Why do you people think Amir is a better defender than bargnani? Because he rebounds better?
Because he is: http://bit.ly/cQK1Ph
See who’s number 1. Then click on “1 Year Unadjusted Def Rtg – NET” and see who’s the fourth lowest in the entire league.
maybe because he looks more interested?
We need somebody sweeping that offensive glass. And there are times when plays need to be drawn up where people are crashing the glass and taking teams out of their defensive sets. Occasionally we’ll get caught for an uncontested dunk on the other end but I’d rather see them play more deliberately and attack things than try to play safely and f*ck everything up.
i like the calderon, derozan, weems backcourt. Jose has transformed himself well, in fact as the guy who finds his athletic wings in transition. Jose may not do a lot of things well, but he certainly has done all he can to fit in with his team.
rather than wright, what about weems in the starting lineup? is he significantly worse on D?
Actually, Wright and Weems together are gold on D. Weems seems to be similar – I would put it down to if we can run on our opponent or not. If so, err towards Weems.
Definitely agree that the time for rookie indoctrination class needs to end. However I tend to lean towards Weems as the starting 2. He has shown a fair allround game with his athleticism and selective shot taking as superior to Wright. I have no problem inserting Wright for end-of-game defensive purposes. The other change would be limiting Evans to games/opponent personnel which are good matchups (physical/psychological) and let Amir get the time he was in pre-Evans.
Do ya think the players are confused about their roles too ….???!!!!
From the looks of things i don’t think the players are the only ones confused about their roles. JT and his coaching staff looks just as lost if not more so during games. It’s a case of the blind leading the blind.
Correct me if i’m wrong but Iavoroni (our so called defensive coach) was never know for his defense when he played in the 80′s. why not bring in Oak or JYD or Antonio Davis or Doug Christie to teach these guys (yes i’m talking to you Bargs/Jose – our resident pylons) how to play D and toughen them up.
What if, BC had taken Adam Morrison as the #1 pick instead of Bargs? – I’m inclined to say that Bargs would be the next Darko and Morrison would have the same 50M deal and play the same crummy defense. With that said – Bargs owes it to this organization to play some freakin D out there for saving him the fate of Adam Morrison. And Bosh owes it to this organization to yell at Bargs everytime he blows a cover.
BC – please do the right thing, swallow your pride and cut JT and MI loose because they are clearly out of their league. Even the guy at NO is getting more out of his guys with CP3 out than JT has gotten with your boys. What does that tell you.
Bosh needs to yell at Bargs?…I have no problem with that as long as we can find a coach with a set of balls that will yell at “all the players”including Bosh.
I am tired of the selected few, get that special treatment ankle problem,coming in to camp out of shape,played for my country bullshit.
How is (word) going to be after this summers world? is he getting in game shape for the worlds?
One word BALLS !!! and from the top top we need to grow a set….I’ve been saying it for awhile now,we need to get some bad ass defensive coaches,I like the Oak suggestion….
Bosh may be having carreer numbers but I would like to see more of the Bosh that grabbed Howard way back when.not a goon but …
I’m afraid if the intensity doesn’t pick up these next two games we are done.
Please.. Adam Morrison…Bargs?
Right now, it seems like inmates are running asylum as far as the Raptors are concerned. Not a good situation.
I think it’s time to start using Derozan sparingly. Weems and Wright have to bump him from the rotation. Everybody over there seems concerned about the potential of Derozan. What about the potential of Weems? Kid seems to do everything Derozan does but better…and I think there can even be an argument for the dunks.
The concern earlier in the season was shot selection. He’s tightened that right up and is shooting an excellent percentage. He’s more aggressive.
I know it’s been written on here before but we lobbied for Amir and that seemed to eventually find daylight…who knows?
Is there anybody here still holding on to the Derozan potential down the stretch of THIS season?
How has Wright bumped Derozan from the rotation? By having 1/8 games where he makes stupid mistakes defensively?
Wright should ride the pine until BC replaces him with
a role player willing to accept his role.
There is a general rule in the NBA.
If a team wants to maximize its defense it will minimize the number of European players it has on the court at any one time.
haha….classic.
Buddhafan,
I thought so too, but watch Raptors American lineups on the floor at the same time. No difference at all. Those guys are totally lost out there, no matter who is on the floor.
This defense mess and lack of understanding about individual roles and switches is clearly the coaching issue.