02 Feb 2010

Gameday: Raptors vs Pacers – Feb. 2/10

The Raptors roll into Indiana for the second game of a home-and-home; they are 3-1 in these games, 2-0 in the second game. In the podcast, I called the Raptors to go 3-1 in the next week (with the loss coming to Philly), but am leery about the game tonight. Winning the second game of a back-to-back is normally very difficult. The opposing team has a chance to make adjustments and come at you with a totally different game plan.

I checked in with Jared Wade from Eight Points, Nine Seconds to get his take on this game:

What will the Pacers have to do to beat the Raptors?
Pray. Seriously though, they certainly have to play better defense than they did the other night. It’s virtually impossible to win when you let the other team shoot 60.2% from the field. That’s just despicable. But despite what you saw the other day and despite the way Bosh and Amir got all medieval on Indy in the paint in the first quarter, defense hasn’t usually been the problem so much as the team’s inability to score. As bad as I’m sure it sounds, that game wasn’t nearly as frustrating as many of the other losses I’ve watched this year. I don’t expect a team with Troy Murphy, Mike Dunleavy and Roy Hibbert to be the 2004 Pistons or anything. And overall this year, Indy has been right around league average — often better — than the league average in opponents points per possession. I’m not sure how they do it, but teams don’t shoot that well against them. More often, the problem is just that they can’t keep up. Given their 43.3% shooting for the season (29th in the league, only above the Nets hard-to-believe 42.1%), it’s easy to see why they can’t score. But at home, against a Raptors team who I’ll just politely call “not intimidating,” it’s quite possible they get their jumpers to fall. If they can shoot at least 45% from floor, hit 11 or 12 threes and not turn the ball over too much, they can win.

Granger is an interesting player, he takes a lot of shots, and doesn’t seem to hit a high percentage. What are your thoughts on him?
He’s one of the best shooters in the league, but you wouldn’t know it by watching him this season. He has taken a lot of bad shots this season and gotten very few good looks. Given the problems I was discussing in the last answer, an off-balance three from Danny really isn’t even that bad of a shot for this team, honestly, but it’s still not a high-percentage look. In past years he has gotten his points as a “finisher.” He hits open jumpers on catch-and-shoot looks as well as anyone in the NBA, but he isn’t getting those this year as much. There is no one who drives and kicks. There usually isn’t enough good ball rotation to give him those 2-3 “there’s no one within 8 feet of him” threes per game that he knocks down in his sleep. He also isn’t getting many of those finishing buckets in the paint. The offense just doesn’t generate much of that stuff for anyone, let alone the one guy who defenses are gameplanning against. So he has to create open shots for himself off the dribble, which is something he is capable of but not elite at by any stretch of the imagination. Don’t get me wrong, he isn’t Michael Redd and is probably even better at “getting his” than Antwan Jamison or Rashard Lewis, but he’s not the type of guy you can just clear out for and let go to work. And he is so often frustrated out there that he ends up just settling for contested jumpers. The fact that he’s been hurt all year (starting out with a gimpy knee then missing a month with a torn plantar fascia in his right foot) also hasn’t helped him evolve into a better penetrator/creator off the bounce.

Who poses a bigger problem for you guys defensively: Bosh or Bargnani?
Bosh. Jim O’Brien’s defensive system is OK giving up the three, so although it will suck if Andrea starts banging em, it won’t exactly shatter the game plan. But this roster has no one who can even consider guarding CB4. He’s probably going to dominate in the paint again — early and often.

Anything else you want to add?
Injuries have really taken their toll on the Pacers this year, which while far from the biggest issue with this team, should be taken into account when you mock them. By all means, mock them — they deserve it. But just know that the front court has been decimated over the past month without Jeff Foster (with serious and potentially season-ending back issues) and Tyler Hansbrough (who had shin issues early in the year followed by an inner ear infection that has left him unable play due to dizziness/vertigo). Those are two guys who the team expected to rely on for defense, rebounding, energy and all the in-the-paint, hard-hat stuff that Troy Murphy and Roy Hibbert simply can’t do. I’m not saying Tyler would have prevented that Jose-to-Amir alley oop the other night or all of Amir and Bosh’s other interior dominance, but it probably wouldn’t have been quite as bad.

This wont be an easy game by any stretch. You could tell the Pacers were missing Foster/Hansborough on Sunday, now with Foster gone for the season, defending Bosh in the paint becomes even more an issue. The Raptors need to work the inside-out game from the tip. Pound the ball into Bosh, let him draw the double, and kick out to Bargnani for a three. At the very least, he can get Pacers bigs in foul trouble one-by-one. Bargnani was so efficient on Sunday, I’d like to see him get 15-16 shots tonight.

Given how poorly Granger shot last game, you can expect him to pick it up a bit tonight. Wright will have his hands full, but he has given us great defense on the perimeter over the last few games against some of the best in the business. A full game battling with Granger should be interesting. If Wright just contests every shot, and keeps Danny’s efficiency down, even if he drops 30 it wont hurt the Raptors very much. I count on Grangers suspect shot selection.

With Turkoglu out, the game has been taken off the board; I imagine that the line would be tight regardless. I’m thinking along the lines of a two possession game, with the Raptors holding on for a win.

87 Raps

  1. RapTastic says:

    If the raptors have to grind it out tonight, so be it. They should be well rested from sunday to be able to pull it all out in the fourth, if that is the scenario tonight. Punjabi-Ball!!!!!

  2. Matt Nelson says:

    As big of a fan as I am, I don’t think I would have the Raps this high – yet.

    Marc Stein’s got the Raps at #7 in this weeks power rankings…

    http://espn.go.com/nba/powerrankings?year=2010&week=14

    • Ripp says:

      Agreed. We are beating up bad teams with unexpected good play from the bench. We still need one more impact player. BC really needs to put some pressure on Philly and see if he can shake Iggy loose…even at the cost of Demar.

      • Raps Fan says:

        The only way Iggy comes to town is if we take on Dalembert’s contract, and we send them expiring contracts (which we don’t have much of). I would love Dalembert here for the simple reason that Leo would be uncomfortable the whole freaking time. Imagine him having to Praise Dalembert for a stretch of 20/10 games? LOL

        • Ripp says:

          Dally’s trade kicker makes it very hard for any team to acquire both of them. Houston for example if they agreed to do this would pry away multiple young pieces too (e.g., Tmac for Iggy, Dally, two young prospects..)

          Probably best for the 76ers to just move Iggy and get young pieces back. …moving Dalembert in the same deal would just be too painful.

          Expirings + Derozan + two future firsts probably gets the job done.

          Perhaps even Expirings + Derozan + future first pick..

          I hope Brian Colangelo is talking to them, at least.

          • GDWotS says:

            To be honest I really don’t think that now is the time to make any trades whatsoever. I know the end goal is to compete and win a championship but we need to see how this off season shakes out before we do anything. Let our core play together longer and then react to what we still need.

            Remember when everyone was hot to move Calderon? Seems like a pretty bad idea now doesn’t it? Moving DD with that massive upside and almost negligible salary is folly.

            Snap trades and mortgaging our future for our immediate now is why the Leafs are terrible. You can’t make a trade yet. There is nothing out there anyways that can realistically be acquired.

            And lastly there is no way in Holy Hell that Philly gives up Iggy and Dalembert’s contract for cap space and a pick. Its not going to happen. Its just not.

            • Ripp says:

              Err..they will GIVE UP a pick or young assets if they find a taker for Iggy and Dally. Dally’s contract is really that bad.
              Remember, The 76ers are hurting financially a lot. Massive amounts of money tied up for a bottomfeeder team. They also have Brand’s unmovable contract, and would be very happy for any sort of financial flexibility.

              Maybe making a quick trade is a poor idea. But I’m just trying to figure out how we increase our chance of getting to the second round. Realistically, in the best case Demar becomes an Iggy or prime Josh Howard type of player. If we can acquire what Demar will become now without giving up too much (I don’t think our future first picks will be worth very much if we grab Iggy and Bosh stays), why not at least consider it?

              • GDWotS says:

                Consider it? Of course! And I’m sure Brian is. I’m sure he’s got every possible trade scenario all mapped out. I mean if fans can do it with accuracy i’m sure they have 8 guys doing it full time ;)

                You always post decent ideas don’t get me wrong, I just think that the best way to get to the second round is to do something that is rather hard to do sometimes (especially in rabid fan Toronto)…and that be patient. There are too many variables right now to be able to clearly advance this years squad without taking huge gambles. Whereas next trading season we will have much more certainty on what the landscape of the NBA looks like and of our own team! (ie. Bosh)

                I say stay the course. Do some damage in the playoffs. Make the team better next year without giving up assets for the year after that or following years. I want to be competitive in the long term. Not just this year.

                But yes the idea of Andrea, Bosh, Hedo, Iggy, and JJ/JC is a scenario that gives one pause…..

              • sleepz says:

                I would do Calderon and Derozan for Igoudalga.

                You have to give up sometyhing good to get something good and that would make Philly think hard as they would get a young dude with upside and potential and a solid pg out of the deal.

                We would get an accomplished wing and although giving up Derozan is risky, Igoudalga has proven himself in this league and is young and athletic.

            • bendit says:

              I agree. Unless something is too good to turn down, we have to be patient and have this crew prove/disprove what it can do with a year together. And we dont really know what the Bosh plan is. Making a heavy commitment to another player, giving up a good prospect in DD without settling the Bosh issue is taking too much of a chance. Your Leaf analogy is appropos. And yes a new cba is around the corner with its own new rules. Watch out for that.

              • Clue says:

                Here’s a good trade: Leo Rautins and Jack Armstrong to the Clippers for Ralph Lawler. I know this gives us a two play-by-play line up, but we can waive Devlin and sign Mo-Pete when he retires. Mo-Pete can benefit from Lawler’s veteran leadership, allowing him to one day become the Raps career leader in insightful commentary.

          • Duncan says:

            How’s this for a wild 3-way???
            http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

            • Duncan says:

              Oops, guess I can’t link that good.
              Sorry, it was Iggy to Toronto, Dally to Houston.
              Tmac to Philly, Weems to Philly.
              Rasho, Banks, Evans to Houston

              • Tim W. says:

                Why on earth would Houston do that? They give up a big expiring contract, and get back one of the worst contracts in the league, and two bad ones, without getting much talent in return. Wouldn’t it simply make more sense to get Igoudala straight up? You have to try and make up trades that EVERYONE would want. Not just the Raptors. Houston gets completely raped, and not in a nice way.

              • Duncan says:

                good point; what about adding Belinelli + a philly/toronto 1st rounder to houston?

              • Tim W. says:

                So Houston gives up T-Macs expiring contract and gets Dalembert, Banks, Evans, Rasho, Bellineli and a couple of picks?

                Just because you’re a bit nicer while you’re doing it. Rape is still rape.

                Dalembert, Banks and Evans are bad contracts. It’s better for Houston to simply do nothing and let McGrady’s contract expire then take on bad contracts. Try and think up something where they don’t get a bad contract in return, and they might take it. You have to realize that Houston is smart about not overpaying people. They currently don’t have a bad contract on the team.

        • Nilanka says:

          I don’t remember the source, but I read somewhere that Philly has more or less come to terms that they’re stuck with both Dalembert’s and Brand’s ugly contracts. They’re fully aware that the only “trade-able” asset they have is Iguodala. Philly may try to package Dalembert in a deal, but they’re not working from a position of power. The team’s going nowhere fast, and should be easy pickings for a cunning GM (e.g. Colangelo) to take advantage of a desperate team looking to shed salary.

      • FAQ says:

        According to the trade machine, the only viable trades would be Calderon + Banks or Evans for Iguodala. Somehow I doubt Philly would go for that .. or would they???

        Hedo and Iggy would have to pitch in on PG duty with Jack.

        With Iggy a Raptor, would Bosh reconsider leaving??

        If BC pulls of such a trade, he’s a magician .. or maybe mugged.

        • Tim W. says:

          Another trade, which I have on my blog (blatant self promotion), is Igoudala for Calderon, DeRozan and Wright. The Raptors give up a lot, but I think that’s what it would take to get Igoudala. And it’s a trade Philadelphia might actually go for, unlike anything I’ve read here.

          • Stretch says:

            hmmmmmm. yes you do give up a considerable amount, however Derozan is not Igoudala at this stage, and may never be. Calderon is the asset needed money wise, and Wright is a servicable expiring contract.

            You lose some pieces but gain a huge addition at the 2 spot for a while.

            I think I would make this move. I’d have to think about it (back up 1 = Banks?) but it seems like a win-win for both teams.

          • Ripp says:

            Hrm.

            The problem is that Philly is looking primarily for financial relief. I.e., pure 2010 expirings. Calderon’s contract doesn’t provide them with this.

            Tim’s blog is pretty good though, worth checking out.

            • Tim W. says:

              Shucks, thanks.

              And Philly does get financial relief in the long run. They just don’t get any big expiring contracts in return. I think the inclusion of DeRozan might be enough to make them pull the trigger since he is true prospect who could replace Igoudala and might help sell it to the fans.

              • FAQ says:

                Iguodala: “I don’t wanna go to Toronto .. I wanna play for a USian team!! Pleeeeaaaase !!!!!”

                Ya think ..??!!!!

              • bendit says:

                Here’s hoping the Bostonians dont make a play for Iggy by offering Allen and his expiring contract.

              • FAQ says:

                Yup.. Iggy + Kapono = Allen ..and the trade works.. makes sense too.

              • Tim W. says:

                “Yup.. Iggy + Kapono = Allen ..and the trade works.. makes sense too.”

                Oh, god. Please no. That makes far too much sense for my liking.

            • 007 says:

              What’s the name of his blog?

              • Tim W. says:

                007, the name of my blog is The Picket Fence. Just click on the link that is my name.

              • 007 says:

                Thanks Tim. Why doesn’t RR have a link to it as they do with other Raptor blogs/newspapers articles…just curous.

            • Nilanka says:

              Philly is still regretting letting go of Andre Miller. Neither Lou Williams or Jrue Holiday are the answer. Even though Calderon isn’t an expiring contract, he gives them stability at the PG to build for the future.

              • Edgar says:

                What if we did a Calderone/Iggy trade with wright etc and simply swap derozan and Holiday??

          • FAQ says:

            Good blog … but let me pose this question to you here. Let’s assume the trade for Iggy happens as you suggest and then Bosh departs the Raptors … Do the Raptors have a sufficient core to survive in the next season???

            • Villain says:

              Maybe not, but why leave to go play with a team with lesser talent as a whole?

              I know you feel that Bosh is going to team up with Lebron or Wade (that Miami team doesn’t have much talent beyond Wade) however what if thats doesn’t materialize?

              A team with Bosh, Barg’s and Iggy could get really good in a hurry and Bosh is no fool.

              Two good big men locked up before their primes, with their historical problem of an athetic and gifted 2 solved for the next few years, could mean good times in Raptor land.

            • Tim W. says:

              Thanks. Short answer to your question is yes. The long answer I posted in the comment section in my blog.

            • Ripp says:

              Whether Bosh leaves or not, the die is already cast. You have Turk locked in for 10 mil, Bargs for 10 mil, Calderon for 9…not like you can easily go into rebuild mode. Whether we like it or not, we are all in now.

              • Tim W. says:

                The question, though, is whether trading Calderon, DeRozan and Wright for Igoudala would help the team in the long run if Bosh leaves. I think it does.

              • nomas says:

                What if we sign Bosh and continually lose in the first round of the playoffs. We would be paying a luxury tax for a mediocre team.

              • 007 says:

                If Bosh leaves and we trade JC/DD/AW for AI, I don’t see how the Raptors can replace those 4 players during the off-season and make them a better team. We just went through one overhaul and things are finally starting to pan out. To go through another one could be a big mistake. I have no problem with the trade if Bosh stays, but that is the x-factor, isn’t it.

              • Ripp says:

                Fair point, nomas. But with Iggy, I’d say we are favored against Orlando, even odds against Boston, and at a slight disadvantage against the Hawks and Cavs.

                I don’t think you can ask for much more than that.

                In any case, if you feel a Bosh+Iggy core will go nowhere (e.g., after three years of disappointing playoffs) they are both pretty movable assets.

                Basically, there is absolutely no reason not to resign Bosh, even if you fail to get out of the first round with him. The market price has been set, and you’ll still get a lot of trade value out of him (compare with Tmac or KG.)

              • Tim W. says:

                “What if we sign Bosh and continually lose in the first round of the playoffs. We would be paying a luxury tax for a mediocre team.”

                Well, first of all, the Raptors don’t have to go into the luxury tax to re-sign Bosh. Secondly, that could be the danger with giving ANYONE a big contract. If you don’t surround anyone with the right players, they don’t go anywhere in the playoffs.

              • Tim W. says:

                007: “If Bosh leaves and we trade JC/DD/AW for AI, I don’t see how the Raptors can replace those 4 players during the off-season and make them a better team.”

                Well, first off, it’s just three players, but also, with the depth the Raptors currently have, I think they can absorb the loss. They still have good depth at the wing in Weems and Belinelli, and Banks has shown he can play minutes at the back-up PG. Plus, Igoudala and Belinelli can spend time there, as well. This summer, the Raptors can certainly pick up a half decent veteran back up PG.

                Plus, if Turkoglu fades in a couple of years, Igoudala can easily switch to the 3 and Belinelli or Weems can start.

                However much I don’t like trading Calderon and DeRozan, I’m starting to think (if the Sixers would do it) that I would go for this trade.

              • 007 says:

                I included Bosh as the fourth, because if he’s gone we’re going to a difficult time getting anything decent in return.

            • Zagkas says:

              Why is it that everyone keeps forgetting that IF Bosh leaves, we have quite a bit of money hopefully to sign another big free agent. It’s not ALL that bad.

              • Arsenalist says:

                We will have approximately $6M, that’s it. Just because a guy making $17M leaves doesn’t mean you get $17M in cap space.

              • Tim W. says:

                Even if the Raptors DID have the money to spend, which as previously stated they don’t, how difficult would it be to attract a top free agent when the best player just bailed on you? Especially considering how many teams are going to have cap room. ANyone they sign they will have to drastically overpay to do it. Yes, it’s pretty much that bad.

              • 007 says:

                Look at the trouble we had this summer trying to sign a legit FA.
                Both Ariza and Marion snubbed T.O. for warmer climates and supposedly better teams…and we were very pretty lucky (you may disagree now) to sign Turk…and that was while Bosh was still under contract.

  3. SteveB says:

    “The Raptors need to work the inside-out game from the tip. Pound the ball into Bosh, let him draw the double, and kick out to Bargnani for a three.” Is there a way to send this lecture to CB? Pass the ball Chris!Pas the ball Chris! Fuck,he shoots!He shoots he scores!It’s o.k. Next time Chris…

    • cesco says:

      If Bosh passes the ball regularly when he is surrounded by defenders and decreases his turnovers then whatever chances we have to go to the second round in the playoffs have automatically doubled.

      • GDWotS says:

        Still not willing to be too hard on Chris when he is posting &#^* you numbers every night.

        • cesco says:

          Bryant scored 44 points last night but LA lost to the young grizzlies , high scoring by your star player does not guarantee a win even for the best or second best team in the NBA.

          • GDWotS says:

            I completely agree. But in our case and the case of the Lakers there are still 4 other guys on the court at any given time. So no, your star hitting 44 is no guarantee. Your star hitting 44 increases your chances of winning exponentially.

          • Ripp says:

            Err…that is too simplistic. Kobe’s sidekicks Lamar, Pau and Bynum decided not to show up..they were utterly destroyed by Zach Randolph and Marc.

            Not his fault his sidekicks are so inconsistent and mentally soft.

            Honestly, you’d think anyone who got to play with Kobe would cherish it and play hard every night.

            • Tim W. says:

              Arrgh…these are the same sidekicks that have helped the Lakers to the second best record in the league and, for the most part, helped them win the Championship last year. The truth is that sometimes players have off nights. All players. The difference is that most fans outside of Toronto accept that and don’t want to lynch them after one or two of them.

              And I fear that this “friendly February” might become a big trap for the Raptors if they think things are going to be easy. Taking ANY opponent lightly can be disastrous and the Raptors are in no position to rest on their laurels. They NEED to win most, if not all, of these games if they want to secure the 5 seed because things get tougher after February. Chicago is playing just as well as Toronto is and Charlotte and Miami aren’t far behind.

              If the Raptors aren’t motivated, they’ll get killed.

            • Buddahfan says:

              If you call running out of gas in the second half of the last game of an 8 game road trip in 13 days, being mentally soft then I would agree.

              No one today in the NBA competes like Kobe except for maybe Lebron. He kept it close but it was not enough to make up for the extreme road weariness of his mere mortal teammates.

            • Ripp says:

              Alright, Bynum I can excuse a bit because he was worried about getting hurt again tonight.

              But Pau has been playing soft this entire season. Dominated by Cleveland, Boston, and now Memphis. And then he has the gall to complain he isn’t getting enough touches.

              Basically he has no right to be complaining when he is so inconsistent.

              I would be very pissed if I were a Lakers fan. They need him to show up all the time rather than every other game..Kobe doesn’t have too much time left and needs consistent help. Rather than Pau’s whining.

              • Buddahfan says:

                Since Pau joined the Lakers two years ago yesterday the Lakers have played over .800 ball in games in which he has played and won a NBA title.

                I didn’t read or hear what he said but in my opinion he has earned the right to speak up.

            • tonious35 says:

              If I was LA, they really don’t need Lamar Odum Kardashian and should of gave Ariza the contract instead, UNLESS Odum wakes up for the playoffs.

    • JasontheRiver says:

      Why would he pass? Vintage Bosh (all his highlights) is when he goes up against 4 defenders in the paint and rams it down the bucket.

      • nomas says:

        Or like the game against the Knicks when we should have won easily but kept on turning the ball over and over again. I think Bosh had SIX turnovers.

    • Johnn19 says:

      Bosh only had 7 assists against the Pacers, when he was double teamed, making passes. What the hell did you expect him to have?

      • nomas says:

        He had one good game in assists. This year he has tended to hold or not hold onto the ball and committed turnovers. This could prove very costly in the playoffs.

  4. Buddahfan says:

    I think that this will be a very tough game for the Raptors.

    1. The Pacers won the last match at Conseco so the Pacers will be confident
    2. Turkoglu and DeRozan will be out and Weems was sick yesterday so he might be a bit weak tonight. As Johnson said yesterday. The Pacers are tough to defend because their whole team in in perpetual motion offense. He said he got dry mouth from chasing Dunleavy around. So with the Raptors being short handed they guys who can go are going to have to run on defense for more minutes.

    I wouldn’t put this game in the win column for the Raptors just yet. The early line has the Raptors as a one point favorite. I expect it will be a very difficult game for the Raptors to put in the Win column. I hope I am wrong, but that is how I see it.

  5. Kanda says:

    RAPS by 20….No one on that team can guard Bosh!

  6. JJTO says:

    Single digits in total turnovers + holding Indy to 50% from the field = Raptors Win.

  7. yertu damkule says:

    well, you just know that bosh is gonna be all pumped about the EC PotW award, so he’s gonna be looking to pad his stats (just like all season!!!). and everyone knows that when bosh looks to get his (SEFLFISH BITCH!!!), the only things that happen are that bargs gets no touches, bosh turns it over 18 times, shoots 8 for 32 (all jumpers, of course), and steals andrea’s rebounds RIGHT FROM HIS HANDS so he can feel good about himself. and the raps will lose, ’cause this team only plays well when bosh defers to andrea (the team’s REAL leader & hardest worker not to mention best defensive player and, if bosh would quit stealing his boards, best rebounder BY FAR!!), and works on doing the garbage-man stuff…y’know, like helping on D, and staying out of bargs’ way.

    seriously…this just feels like an ‘excuse’ game…they’ve been playing well, just played the same team, have a couple guys out & a couple guys not 100%. they know that we (the fans) will ‘excuse’ a loss because they’ve played well lately. the franchise lacks a killer instinct, and doesn’t seem to grasp the concept of stepping on weaker opponents and putting them away.

    but hey, i love being wrong…so i’ll predict a bad defensive effort & lack of flow offensively, and an 11-point pacer win (113-102).

    • cesco says:

      Keep your current job yertu , comedy is not your forte.

    • MackNorth says:

      Just wondering if D.Wade, Melo, Kobe and King James are selfish bitches? They look to “get theirs” a hell of a lot more than Bosh does… And what’s with the Bosh stealing Bargs’ rebounds comment? You should go hard after a rebound, not like a sally and someone else take it away. 3, if he is their REAL leader then let’s start blaming him a little more than people do Bosh. It would only seem fair. I didn’t notice the REAL leader too much in that big Knicks win the other night, 30 mins 2 points 1 for 9 and 3 boards? Jeeeeezz, I hope you were equally critical after that game.

      • MackNorth says:

        But I guess that 2 points was the difference in the game so thanks Bargnani, for winning the Knicks game for us!

        • yertu damkule says:

          chillax, m’man. every so often, it’s fun to counter the ‘arguments’ of the bargnani jock-sniffers. all of the things i’ve said about bosh are, of course, ridiculous…but each point has been made – in sincerity – on this board over the last few months. i shit you not.

  8. Matt says:

    ok seriously guys stop with this stupid trade scenario thingy, we acting like freakin leaf fans, leave this team intact and wait and see what reggie brings to the team, and why do we have to trade DD who could be better than Iggy in three years.

  9. Canada1990 says:

    Hedo Turkoglu for Caron Butler. Anyone?

    • Nilanka says:

      LOL, why on earth would Washington make this trade? They both make the same amount per season (approx. $10 million), but Butler has one year left on his contract, while Turk has 4. And there’s no denying that Butler is having a better year so far.

      • yertu damkule says:

        or that butler is just a better player. he’s having a down year, but, uh, who wouldn’t be? i’m sure wash. wouldn’t mind blowing up what they have, so they’d probably look at taking on hedo…as long as TO took back arenas.

  10. Red Baron says:

    Raps have two good PG ball handlers-distributors (Calderon, Jack), and two main scoring options that have to see most touches (Bosh, Bargs). With Hedo in the fold at the 3, it really is an issue (why he made his BALL comment), as he wants some of Calderon/Jack ball handling duties, and wants some of Bosh/Bargs scoring touches. It would therefore be a nice fit for the Raps to have a starting 3 who doesn’t need plays run for him but gets points off transition and fast breaks, can grab boards at a higher clip than Hedo, and is a solid defender. Hello Shawn Marion!!! It’s really a pity that he didn’t want to stay, and yes I know that if he stayed then no Weems, etc type logic, but it would be perfect if we could swap those two now straight up right about now.

  11. J says:

    Lets go Bosh. These are the type of games you thrive in. Beating teams that are not a threat to the playoff picture.

  12. J says:

    yertu damkule: I agree with you post. The only time I ever see Bosh being aggressive for rebounds is when he fights his own teammates for boards LOL I see this all the time. And I agree Bargnani is the more important player on the team and really makes it go. He does everything and atleast makes an effort to defend while the other guy with dreadlocks is content with putting up his 20/10

    • yertu damkule says:

      clearly, ’satire’ is an unknown element in J-land. i’m interested in your previous post (#11). what type of game could bosh have that you would be happy with? if he beats down a shitty team, that’s a negative…and yet, if he plays down to their level, i’m sure that would earn a big star from you, right big boy?

  13. Lopez says:

    Why would you predict that we lose to philly?

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