23 Jan 2010

Raps zone in and pull out a victory

Zoned in
Bucks 101, Raptors 96

Reflecting on the game after the Raps pulled off a 101 – 96 thriller, piecing together my thoughts for the RR recap, and I’m thinking. Where do you start?

Hedo Turkoglu’s continuing struggles while under the glaring spotlight punctuated by a (relieving) flash of brilliance late in the game?
Jarret Jack’s best game in a Raptor uniform in a heroic 4th quarter effort?
Or Jay Triano’s brilliant 2 – 3 zone call that turned the tide when the game was all but lost?

Storylines, loads of drama, plenty of excitement, perhaps a wee bit of luck, and one hell of a game.

In terms of luck, how’s 5 – 26 from 3 point land for the Bucks, many of which were open looks? The Raps were lucky that the game was even close midway through the 3rd when the unthinkable happened. Jay Triano made a change to his hermetically sealed gameplan. Sensing the Bucks couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn, and Luke Ridnour was penetrating into the pain at will, he switched to a zone, and it paid immediate dividends. The Bucks did eventually crack it a few times, but it definitely slowed them down a lot. The other thing Triano did was switch to a smaller lineup of Bosh, Turk, Belli, Jose and Jack late in the 4th. That move also proved to be effective. There have been a few games this year where it felt like the coach on the other sideline made moves to win the game. Tonight, finally, it felt like our coach. Makes you wonder whether it was the zone itself that made the difference or the fact that the Raps stepped up their defensive intensity because of the novelty of trying some new. It might be even more effective with Andrea anchoring it in the middle.

Speaking of Andrea, the Raps looked completely different without him. And not in the good way. It’s becoming more apparent now that the recent success of the Raps was due partly to Andrea’s effectiveness this last month. The offense suffered from lack of spacing, and no one was willing to accept the role of secondary scorer to Bosh, although Jack turned into one in the 4th. As good as Andrew Bogut started the game, the Buck went away from him in the second half, partly due to the zone tactic. Milwaukee’s point guards dominated the play for most of the game. Brandon Jennings continued to jack, and miss, shots and Luke Ridnour was much more successful but continued to dominate the ball like Jennings. Why a guy like Ridnour carved up the Raps is a little disconcerting. Jerry Stackhouse, who looks like he could still play, was not a factor after some quality burn in the first half. If Stackhouse can continue his progress, this season may not be a write-off for them just yet.

The Raps started off the night lukewarm, trading buckets with the Bucks. Andrew Bogut picked up where he left off on Wednesday, dropping 8 points in the 1st quarter. All eyes were on Turkoglu, however, after a very questionable effort in Milwaukee. You could tell he knew that. He looked to be very aggressive, and picked up a bunch of assists early on. But early foul trouble derailed any momentum he had. If the fourth quarter is any indication, Hedo is trying to show his worth. His defence and rebounding picked up a notch, and his usual nonchalant on-court demeanor was replaced with that of concentration, disgust with his own play, and a priceless look of relief on a pivotal and1 on a driving layup late in the game. This means he does care about what people perceive him to be, but the queston remains whether he is a player already in decline, and that just “trying harder” won’t make him any better. Just more forced plays like we saw tonight. In terms of Hedo being a 19 pt-a-game scorer last year, it seems that he benefited from having a guy like Dwight Howard for open looks. The thing is he hasn’t hit those open shots lately. Some times they’re not even close. Hard to figure this one out.

One of the greatest revelations of this epic night was the show that Jarret Jack put on in the 4th quarter. He abused Jennings and Ridnour with his combination of strength and speed. The dude can finish with contact, and that’s vital when the refs swallow their whistles in crucial moments. His shot has been falling with some consistency, and he passes enough off the drive to keep defenses honest. That floater is working to near perfection, and he should go to it more often. Hedo should still be a focal point in the 4th, it was good to see him kick out to Calderon for a corner three, and Marco Belinelli showed some quality playmaking as well, but Jack should be handling the rock a little more. You need aggressiveness in these situations, and Calderon hasn’t displayed enough of it. He’s too risk-averse fundamentally. Dump it to Bosh and spot up. That hasn’t worked so well this year.

This was the kind of win you feel that the Raps didn’t deserve but managed to pull out anyway. They took advantage of a raucous crowd and everyone dug deep, including the coach and pulled it off with smoke and mirrors. It was an important win that brought the Raps back to .500 and hopefully restored some of the confidence that the team had after that dominating performance against the Mavericks. It will take a much, much more complete effort to have any chance of beating the defending NBA champions on Sunday.

84 Raps

  1. poiter says:

    Any chance of a roll call today, has everyone hurt altraps’ feelings with some of their negative comments on the roll call :)

  2. Red Baron says:

    Great to see the Raps win ugly for once instead of losing ugly. Is Rasho the epitome of savvy veteran big off the bench or what? love that guy….now if we can only get Hedo to start making some shots..hopefully have a healthy Bargs to battle Gasol/Bynum on Sunday.

    • MackNorth says:

      We’re gonna need everyone in that game. I just dont want it to be a 30 point shitshow for the Lakers. Nice ugly one tonight though, at least someone finally stepped up for Bosh and helped the team out!

  3. MOBCHESTER says:

    lol i turned off my T.V during the 1st half cause i thought we lost this game turn my T.V back on 3 hours later i checked the score, We won am like wtf happen how the hell did we pull this one off lol

  4. Dragan says:

    I don’t know…losing to Indy, being almost swept by the Bucks while having all main players healthy except for Andrea last night… Hard to figure this team out. CB4 looked gassed/pissed last night and it’s hard to blame him. Beli proved again last night that he brings energy, hits tough/important shots and makes great plays at fraction of the price Hedo was paid. Him and Jack were crucial last night IMO. Jarret was really exceptional, and coaching felt like “coaching” for the first time in a long time.

    Not much else to say, except that we should be playing much better than this to have any chance making it into the playoffs, not to mention the second round.

    • raptorsdefensesucks says:

      “Hard to figure this team out. CB4 looked gassed/pissed last night and it’s hard to blame him.”

      That line best described Chris Bosh’s character. Do you think Kobe, Lebron or wade would take a night off. That is what differentiates Bosh from the rest. He is a Tier III star in the league. Scores a lot of points but cannot defend.

      • Dragan says:

        OK, if you compare Bosh to Kobe – can you also compare the rest of the Raptor crew with Lakers crew? My point is – even on Kobe’s “nights off”(like 15pts, 3 reb.) Lakers are winning without much trouble. And, that’s a major difference between Kobe’s and Bosh’s supporting cast.

  5. poiter says:

    If Hedo’s play remains crappy, would you take Eddy Curry’s contract to trade him. New York’s only looking for this years free agent class, so they might not mind taking Hedo’s contract.

    I know Colangelo’s ego wouldn’t allow him to do it, and it does leave little depth at the 3, but maybe

    • maman says:

      yeah, but why would New York take a guy at 10 milions a year for the next 4 playing the same position of their more promising player? Who’s probably already better than Turk?

  6. marques johnson says:

    At the game last nite. Tons of empty seats and one of the worst games I ever have been at, except for final couple minutes (which took forever).Sloppy, poor shooting, no intensity. I got tickets earlier this year to see Jennings after his rocket start and and resemblance to the player earlier in the year are accidental. He will eventually find his level, but his early season dominance and exciting play may not be reality.

    As noted, what a differene without Bargs. Spacing, alternative scorer or whatever,they just looked lost. One game is a bad sample size,but the game really reveals why there are the super nova’s, Kobe and Lebron, the semi nova’s, Dwayne and Carmelo and the next level Bosh.

    The 4 players above can carry a team by themselves with the ability they have to control the game with their dribling and ball control, whereas Bosh is somewhat at the mercy of others in getting the ball. The creators are where it is at in the curret NBA.

    Finally, as noted above, the game was 3 hour long almost, way to long. Now with the replay delays coupled with 20 timeouts and fouling the last 3 minutes are lasting 45 minutes. The NBA has to do something about this. One thing about B-ball I like and the kids attending like is the game is faster,hipper, louder (music and fans) and you get out at least 30-45min faster then a hockey game. However, the games are starting to drag as long as hockey games.

    • raptorsdefensesucks says:

      Another point you forgot to mention is that all the top superstars can defend really well. Bosh can’t.

  7. Ripp says:

    Lots of people tout Triano’s coaching as what saved the game. But really, how hard could it be to figure that out right after Skiles does it?:P

    I guess I’ll give Triano credit for making the additional adjustment.

    Still, I’m a bit worried about our roster as thinks stand. We basically use Bargs as SG on offense, to space the floor and prevent zones from being effective. With him in the lineup, we only have two people who shouldn’t shooting on the perimiter (DDR and Bosh.)

    With Rasho starting this past game, doesn’t that almost suggest we should have gone with Belli? Judging from basketballvalue.com, we almost never use the (Jack or Calderon)/Belli/Hedo/Bosh/Rasho lineup. Do we practice this lineup enough in practice?

    I’m just a little worried about our preparation coming into this game. You can’t just sub in a floor spacer for a non-floor spacer and expect good results, without making other adjustments.

    I really hope we practice the above lineup with Belli and Rasho, rather than hoping smallball will always save us.

    Thoughts?

    • poiter says:

      There’e not much point practicing this lineup seeing as Rasho pretty much never plays, I can’t see Bargs being out for too long

      • Ripp says:

        But what if Bargs does down for an extended period of time? Do we just roll up and quit for the season?

        More generally, it sort of implies a lack of preparation, contingency planning. You should be able to win games with Rasho at the C spot…
        If you practice with him in that lineup, that is.

    • FLUXLAND says:

      Yeha, I didn’t get the impression Jay pulled off any Kasparov moves, but I get what Arse meant there. Dang Skiles was not handing the win over, that’s for sure.

      Does anyone think if Kurt Thomas walked into the Raps locker room, everyone would pee on the ground? He’s the last of the Oakleys.

      At one point, when Stax and Kurt were in, I thought Skiles was going to check in too. lol

    • Nilanka says:

      I was thinking the exact same thing regarding Triano’s use of the zone. I doubt he would’ve even thought of it unless Skiles used it a few mins earlier. That must’ve prompted Triano to say to himself, “Hey, we should go zone too!”

      • Ripp says:

        Lol. But then the media (and Jarret Jack, the loyal panderer) spins it as Triano’s brilliance :P

        (Sorry for knocking Jack, I like him despite his pandering ways)

  8. @Liston says:

    I was fortunate to be near the action last night – a few takeaways:

    1) Bogut is a heck of a competitor. He works his tail off on every position. Also very vocal and demanding of his teammates on D. I’d love to have this guy on my team any day. Fortunately, Jack matched this effort last night. His will to get to the basket was a welcome sight.
    2) “There have been a few games this year where it felt like the coach on the other sideline made moves to win the game” I was completely wrong when I said http://twitter.com/Liston/status/8094913380 – both the decision on this lineup and call for zone was a surprise and full credit to Triano is due.
    3) Brandon Jennings looks to be on track to become the next Stevie Franchise (altraps has this right). Terrible shot, terrible shot selection, no pass attitude. Solid defender though. If Jennings properly feed his teammates last night (5-15, 2 assists) this game would have been other by the end of the 3rd.

    • Tinman says:

      Bogut has got the rep as a guy who doesn’t always show up.

      • @Liston says:

        Is it more a result of playing through injuries? I definitely don’t watch a lot of MIL, so I won’t argue. However, in the last two games, he’s certainly been a competitor – we’ll see it it continues.

        • Tinman says:

          Agreed.
          He looked good on Wednesday against an injured Bargnani. Disappeared in second half last night.

          Dont see much Buckball as well.

          • sleepz says:

            who was guarding him second half last night.

            • raptorsdefensesucks says:

              Are you trying to prove that Bosh can defend. That may get a lot of laughs at an audition for stand up comedians. Not as funny as Bosh trying to guard Shaq. Bosh will and forever be considered the Rupaul of big men and a Tier III star in the league. That is his legacy.

              • sleepz says:

                no, i’m not trying to prove anything really. never attempted to say that bosh can guard shaq either as Bosh is no great defender which is plain to see, but he is also not the sieve you claim.

                while we are talking about defence, the fact is the whole roster is basically average to below average defenders from top to bottom. amir would get above average in my books if he could find a way to limit his fouls. you can’t be an above average defender when fouls limit the minutes you play in a limited bench role, but he’s young so i think he can improve this.

                as for #4’s role as the worst defensive big on this team? you’re entitled to your opinion however with amir, barg’s and nesto i also see their flaws. barg’s is rapidly improving and learning to understand his responsibilities on the court whereas earlier in the year rotations were foreign to him (triano obviously wasn’t tellign him) until he saw ‘Friday’ and really understood that breaking them in ciphe….certain circles and situations is not good. it leads to mass confusion and panic. lol
                rasho had trobules with bogut last night. maybe you saw it differently.

                as a first time blogger i am really looking forward to your future insights. welcome.

                quick question: what is your definition of second bannnnnannnnna?

  9. Hardcore Raps says:

    So why is it exactly we have seen so little zone defense from the Raps this year. During the first two months there was so much talk about needing to play more zone… and yet we saw so little of it. It was a thing of beauty last night. If it wasn’t for Ridnour’s inability to miss a shot in the last frame, the zone D would have nearly shut Milwakee out in the 4th.

    • Nilanka says:

      As Skiles eluded to in his post-game scrum, zones are practically defenceless against the 3 pt shot. A few lateral passes is all it takes to get an open 3 in the corner. The only reason it worked for us was because the Bucks were bricking a lot of open looks from behind the arc.

      • Anthony says:

        Never fails in Basketball… When a team hits their open looks or shots with hands in their face, the defense is lousy. When they miss, it is tough D…. When it (misses) happens to the Raptors it is pure luck…..

        • Hardcore Raps says:

          so true

        • Nilanka says:

          I wouldn’t say so. If a team consistently gives up open looks, it’s bad D (regardless of miss or makes). When a guy like Kobe hits shots with defenders in his shorts, it’s great D (but even better O)

  10. Radioactive Man says:

    Leo Rautins has called Antoine Wright ‘Antoine Walker’ in two consecutive games…I mean, Wright isn’t great, but huh?

    Rasho was fantastic when he was on the floor. Why he doesn’t get more burn is beyond me. Maybe a Tim Horton’s commercial isn’t such a stretch if he keeps up with what we saw last night.

  11. Ripp says:

    On a related note, I wish we still had Anthony Parker, somehow. Doesn’t need to be someone to create off the dribble, just a legitimate SG who will knock down open shots and play consistently. As much as I like DDR and Belli, both have flaws (range and consistency, respectively) that prevent them from being a reliable option at SG offensively.

    We’ve done a good job masking this flaw with Turk and Bargs, but witness how much trouble we had with Bargs out, and Turk in foul trouble. It took heroic efforts by Belli and Jack for us to get a win at home against a fairly mediocre team.

    I suspect this will do us in later unless it is addressed before the trade deadline.

    • verbatim says:

      Letting go of AP was one of the biggest mistakes we made. Having him off the bench for DeRozan would have been awesome.

      • Hardcore Raps says:

        Losing AP isn’t that big of a deal. While it would be nice for him to have come off the bench… he would have had a minimal impact on this team.

        Do we forget how poorly he played last year? Constant turn around jumpers and off balance shots? He was supposed to be our best defender and yet nearly every SG and SF he covered had their way with him. He constantly missed important FTs.

        He did an admirable job filling in as PG when it was clear how useless Roko and Solomon were, and he has always been a reliable 3pt shooter. But we have little use for a ball handler and 3pt shooter on this team (we are already stacked with those)

        • Ripp says:

          The only consistent three point threat from the wing spot on this team is Hedo. Belli is too inconsistent for this.
          As a result, we do not have a legitimate shooting guard on this team.

          The entire team played poorly last year, you can’t single him out alone for it. And he sure is looking good in Cleveland, while playing a good amount of minutes. Shooting 48% from 3 point land too..

          Basically, in a team like ours, you can never have too many three point shooters. DDRs inability to shoot the three is a major liability; didn’t you see Lebron roaming on him last game? What do you think Kobe is likely to do on Sunday?

          • Hardcore Raps says:

            I’m not blaming last year on AP… but the fact of the matter is he helped nothing last year and would do little good this year.

            While Belli is a inconsistent threat, Parker is an afterthought in Cleveland (he is scoring 7 pts a game). While teams do have to keep an eye on him at the 3pt line… their concentration is on Lebron and Shaq. Remember Kapono in Miami…. thats what Parker is doing with Cleveland right now. Its more of a function of his team than his ability.

            While Derozan may not be a 3pt shooter… we need a guy who drives, slashes and cuts. A guy that draws fouls and can get to the FT line from the wing position (Belli has really started to do this to). Parker doesn’t. Yes Lebron did roam on Derozan… and DD ended up scoring 14 points on 6 for 10 shooting. Just because Lebron did ‘roam on Derozan’ doesn’t mean it was effective.

            So Bargs is out for a game (maybe two or three) and suddenly we need to shore up our 3 pt shooting? Even without Bargs the Raps can easily put 4 good 3pt shooters on the floor at any one time.

        • Dave says:

          Agreed — It would be nice to have Anthony Parker on the team. He’d be a solid rotation player for the Raps. But it’s not a big deal that he wasn’t resigned.

    • FLUXLAND says:

      Did you see the Cavs vs Utah game where he destroyed LeBrons ridiculous effort to bring them back, by chocking on the free throw line? Like he did here in TO? No thanks.

    • Nilanka says:

      Parker’s contributions would’ve been best noticed off the court, as opposed to on the court (in a mentor role for the likes of DeRozan and Weems).

  12. verbatim says:

    I am glad that finally Triano’s decisions won us a game. In this case the two PG lineup + Turk was not so bad, as we were going small and Turk was at the PF. In addition, Ridnour and Jennings were their opposition at the end of the game. It is not like we were trying to have Jarrett cover Kobe.

    Good win, after 3 ugly quarters.

    • brothersteve says:

      The 2-PG + Hedo line-up made sense last night because the Bucks ran a 2-PG line-up for big stretches of the game and the Raptors PGs matched up well against them.

      That is when that line up makes sense. What gets the Raps in trouble is asking Calderon or Jack to cover a bigger scoring-oriented SG.

    • The Don says:

      The return of the three-headed monster!!! I had a feeling Triano would return to this lineup to close out the game. If you read back to the game day preview, I suggested Triano should go back to Turk, Calderon and Jack to close out games. This group made better decisions with the ball on offense, created off the dribble and hit open shots.

      I really like Triano’s decision to use Turk at the 4 in the zone. This lineup gave us four long range scoring threats and helped to spread out the offense for Bosh in the 4th quarter. Moreover, Turk seemed to excel when called upon as the secondary defensive rebounder. I think it was the first time I have seen him jump for and grab a rebound in traffic. Having Turk as a PF should only be used in Bargs absence and also when playing zone D, but, overall Triano needs to be commended for his in-game tactical adjustments.

      Lastly, I wonder if this zone D could be used more. The structure and organization of a zone is conducive to the players we have. The zone is used in Europe much more and I wonder if players such as Bargs, Beli, Calderon, and Turk would be better suited to a zone D. Turk played much better D last night while in the zone and his lack of athleticism was not exposed by the Bucks. Moreover, Turk was able to use his length to contest shots within his zone and did not look lethargic on D since he did not have to chase his man all around the court. The zone would definitely benefit Bargs. His lack of lateral quickness would be hidden in the zone and his length would help in protecting the paint. Moreover, there is more accountability when protecting your zone, you cannot hide behind your teammates for being late on help D and forces you to stay in front of your man.

      • raptorsdefensesucks says:

        “The zone would definitely benefit Bargs. His lack of lateral quickness would be hidden in the zone and his length would help in protecting the paint.”

        Please stop this garbage about Bargnani. Bosh is the worst interior defender we have on the team. The zone may help Rupaul of big men the most.

        • sleepz says:

          you always talk this nonsense. nothing factual or remotely based on reality, just unbridled biased opinion. at least we always know where it’s coming from.

          • raptorsdefensesucks says:

            What do you mean by every time. This is first time that I have posted. Are you a Bosh supporter and belong to his posse (are you getting paid, you may get an increase if he gets his 20 million per year) that monitors the blogs to make sure he is not criticized. Becuase you seem to be very irratated if anyone questions Bosh’s creditials.

            If you do belong to his posse, tell him to improve his defense. It sucks.

            • sleepz says:

              no, i’m an objective watcher.

              first time poster……hmmmmmmm, lol

              i’m not a member of a possee nor do i troll blogs to defend any given player on this team. i’m not irritated by any comments but the thing i most love about rr, is that opinions get challenged (my take, since you’re new to this site and all).

              in the last 5 minutes of the 4th last night the rap’s went small and the game was undecided. milwaukee didn’t get any scoring from their best player (and if you say bogut’s not their best player you haven’t seen the bcuks play with any regularity the past 2 years).

              they should have got him more shots but the one’s they did get him he didn’t score. they also didn’t score off the plays with him on pnr scenario’s. good indivdual and team defence.

              are you paid to enlighten everyone as to why you think boshes defence is the worst on the team by far? i would have thought you would have taken the opportunity in the 4th to be amazed by the d of the worst defensive big on this team.

              • The Don says:

                Its a zone defense!!!! Setting up the pick n’ roll is negated by the fact that its a zone defense. Ever play the game? Screens Don’t work on a ZONE. The loss has nothing to do with getting Bogut the ball and everything to do with the fact that the Bucks did not shoot the ball well last night and our perimeter guys closed out. Bosh deserves credit for protecting his zone and preventing offensive rebound opportunities.

                My original comment about Bargnani had nothing to do with Bosh, how did he even come up in this discussion. Last time I checked Bosh was not European and my original post had to do with utilizing the zone because the Euro’s would thrive in a zone.

      • verbatim says:

        Triano did not intend to use the lineup when he started the game though. He used it because he couldn’t get anything going with the usual lineups.

        • The Don says:

          Are you suggesting that Triano has given up on the three-headed monster? It would take a lot of humility from an NBA coach to desert his assertions that taking care of the ball and making good decisions is paramount when closing out games and best suited for Jack, Calderon, and Hedo.

  13. Tinman says:

    A game we probably deserved to lose. But theat’s the NBA.

    Andrea back was sore for the match-up in Milwaukee as well. He has, quietly, turned into an integral part of this team. Without him, we lose part of our identity.

    Credit Turk for trying to fight through “the scneid”. The shot will come around.

    We have a new “Pinball” in town and his name is Marco.

    Still strongly consider Jose the better PG, but see that Raptors are a better team with Jack starting. Mainly because of burst Jose gives us off the bench.

    Triano needs to solidify the closing line-up in the fourth quarter. Do not like the Jack/ Calderon combo at all. Might work against the Milwaukee’s in this league but not the better clubs.

    Flirting with the 500 mark these last few games with the Lakers up next. Lakers have shown that they can be beat and have played more games at home than any other team.

  14. jtrk says:

    Next game watch Hedo’s eyes. He squints a lot. I always notice him squinting when he is trying to see something in particular, signs, faces. In our 30s our vision and memory begin their first big noticeable dip. I think it’s simple.

    Hedo really does need glasses (or a prescription change). I think he is not seeing the rim as clearly. Maybe he is too much a man to admit the eyes are going. But definitely he is squinting to see. Not good when vision and accuracy are kinda linked.

  15. Lopez says:

    I think Triano is a bum, I like Hedo’s attitude but right now he is a bum as well. DD should get a lot more minutes and Sonny Weems needs to definitely be ahead of antoine wright!

  16. wassup says:

    I say we gotta give mad props to the fans at the game. It seems to me like they really gave the raps a push in the 4th quarter to get the W.

  17. brothersteve says:

    Raps played hard in the 2nd half and earned the response from the crowd.

    For some reason the music at the ACC was extra loud to start the game and seemed to drown out any crowd response. 2nd quarter play also drowned out the crowd.

    • Hardcore Raps says:

      It was probably more that the crowd was so quiet to start the game, the music seemed more loud.

      From watching on TV, I honestly though that about a few thousand people showed up it was so quiet. I had no problems hearing players on the floor.

      Once the crowd got into it, it was a day and night difference.

    • raptorsdefensesucks says:

      We were lucky they missed so many shots and did not go to Bogut so much down the stretch.

      Sub par performance and played terrible defense.

      • sleepz says:

        why didn’t they go to Bogut down the strecth and when they did what happended?

        watch the game again my man and your posts are rendered impotent for the night.

        • raptorsdefensesucks says:

          Not as impotent as Chris Bosh’s defense.

          • sleepz says:

            watch it, then come back with the drivel.

            they must have forgot bogut was on the court.

            1,000 different users name and we all know who’s posting. why? not because of any great insight, or opinion, or even anything remotely clever or funny, just hatred.

            • raptorsdefensesucks says:

              What 1,000 names are you talking about. Are you diverting the topic of the discussion so that Bosh is not questioned about his defense.

              You really must really belong to his posse. How much are getting paid? Will you get a raise when he signs for 20 million dollars per season. Or do you work for his agent?

              The only thing I questioned was about his defense. I never criticized you but you seem to be attacking me personally.

              • sleepz says:

                no possee my man. i roll dolo!

              • Ripp says:

                But all you do is *spam* the same message over and over again. Don’t you see how this is very annoying? If you want to bring attention to Bosh’s shoddy defense, please make a forum post or something about it. But it doesn’t make sense to clutter this blog with the same message.

              • SHAREEF ABDUR RAHEEM says:

                hey, what do miki moore, jason collins and rashard lewis all have in common.

            • FLUXLAND says:

              +1 Andiamo, it really is annoying.

  18. RobertArchiblad says:

    Anyone else impressed with Milwaukee from a passion perspective? They almost beat us 3 times on hustle and heart alone. I would love for Skiles to be our head coach and Jay to be lead assistant for x’s and o’s. The relentless Jennings pressure on D was impressive and the Raps could use that kind of grit and never-give-up attitude.

    • Ripp says:

      I agree totally with this. Their roster on paper is far inferior to ours. But he has them all playing defense, husting, and playing the right way.
      (Except for Jennings who shoots too much, rather than feeding Bogut..)

      Chicago had a great thing going with him as head coach. Too bad some knuckleheads on their roster decided to tune him out.

      • Nilanka says:

        You would think that losing Redd for the season would make them crumble. Gotta tip your hats to these guys. Just imagine how the Raps would respond if Bosh went down with a torn ACL/MCL

        • raptorsdefensesucks says:

          The Raptors may actually share the ball and play better defense.

        • Ripp says:

          Redd was a net negative…they’ve probably improved with him off the floor. Hope he gets better though:/

        • J says:

          In 2007 with Bosh injured, The Raps went 7-3 in there western roadtrip. They play better when he is injured.

          • J says:

            That comment obviously has a ton of bearing here. How many of those 2007 Raptors are still on the team?

  19. Raúl says:

    from POB formspring

    Must feel g00d to watch bench-side seats, EHH???

    yup especially since all the haters buyin tix r payin my salary

    CLASSIC

    • Hardcore Raps says:

      well even the fat stripper gets paid…. doesn’t mean anyone came to see her dance.

      • Marc says:

        Really makes you question what she’s even doing there in the first place.

        POB needs to stay unfreed.

  20. J says:

    Wooooooo

    Lets all get excited because we beat one of the worst teams in American professional sports today – and that’s not hyperbole.

    So we loose 13 straight to Boston but we can beat a Bucks club that’s what, 14th in the East ?

    Now if we had a real franchise player concerned with winning instead of an obsession with being in the limelight and with putting up as many points as possible even though we loose in the end…. Then I wouldn’t mind. Every superstar has there off days.

  21. Joe says:

    It’s really ironic the year that Bosh is a free agent he starts playing so well all of a sudden. Hmmm. Oh, and he hasn’t got injured yet and missed the typical 12 games.

    Where was this fire, this passion, this hunger the last 3 years? What happened last season with Jermaine O’neail?They start off to 3-0 and look like they will be a contender, they loose to Boston the next game and Bosh is no where to be found for the rest of the season. He leads his team to 12th in the east.

    He took many games off and simple gave up and stopped trying. I saw it.

    You really think Bosh wants the Raptors to be successful? I think not. The guy is interested in getting a max contract first and foremost and to pile up as many points as possible to secure his spot as a top free agent.

    • J says:

      Completely moronic comment.

      So what was his excuse when he only missed 5 games last season? How about when he started off super hot last season? Gotta love when people analyze off small sample size.

      So when Bosh puts up big points, he’s selfish and gunning for a big contract (even though he could miss the rest of the season and still guarantee a max contract), but when he only scores 17 with more than double his season average for dimes, he’s not trying hard enough? There’s no pleasing the average Joe, is there…

      • Jog says:

        Bottom line is that Bosh is the best player to ever suit up for the Raptors and when he leaves for the States, we’ll hate him all the more for it. But any hate towards him is just hate towards the lack of success of the organization in general, which is to be expected.

        I mean come on, this guy has been our best player since 2005! Now, he’s lived up to – actually surpassed – every single expectation and prediction of him when he was drafted as a scrawny, goofy-looking kid out of Georgia Tech. He loves Toronto, but he’ll likely still leave.

        But what did we expect? After all, this is Toronto…

  22. mo says:

    nifty title.

  23. J says:

    BTW, you have the score reversed. You have the Bucks listed as scoring 101 over the Raps.

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