The “perfect time to grout the back splash in my kitchen” edition.
Banks – it’s his fault.
Bargnani – well, if there are a few positives to come from this game, one of them would be that the focus is taken off his play.
Belinelli – hey!! he found his scoring touch!! Well done, Marco! This was like the promising play you showed in training camp in other games that didn’t matter.
Bosh – worthless piece of trash. A gutless performance that personifies him as a human being and a ball player. The only thing he could possibly produce worse than this would be a DVD about getting a tattoo. Who the hell does that? Hell, who the hell BUYS that? I bet Colangelo will……he is such a great investor. (see: O’Neal, Jermaine / Turkoglu, Hedo)
Calderon – well, at least he amassed 7 assists and had a good shooting night. During a night like this, though, that is like being the keyholder of a bakery that is right next to the set of The Biggest Loser.
DeRozan – poor Lighthouse. Got off to a great start, actually looked like he was up to the challenge and then his teammates acted like the French and ran away to hide, leaving him to fight his own battle. Hell of a play on Horford, though. TJ will be sending him a text tonight.
Evans – poor bastard……he coulda been playing with Iverson.
Jack – playing when the Hawks already had this one sealed allowed Jack to accumulate 8 assists and pad his stats. He looked like he wanted to come into the game about as much as a 16 year old girl wants to go with her father to see Twilight.
Johnson – e for effort. Had a tough stretch in the second where stuff wasn’t working, but the rest of his minutes were typical Amir. Still doesn’t possess the tools to be a starter.
Mensah-Bonsu – you are down by 400 and you come in and try to make flashy put back dunks? Really? Be grateful a team picked you up and show some effort in working as a team out there, not some flashy single player. The team is trying to show cohesion and here is Johnny Bunnyhop making out that he is the next Keon Clark. Get a grip.
Nesterovic – he must circle the dates on the calendar when the Raps play a team that has a lunky european centre. That way he knows when to take his Ensure and be ready to play.
O’Bryant – If he was off the IR, we coulda held the Hawks to 140.
Turkoglu- hit 2 3s back to back early in the game, giving him 6 points. He ended with 13. For those of you just joining us, that means he pretty much sucked offensively. Again. Many questions in the ESPN chat tonight about what is wrong with this guy, especially from Orlando fans. Ah well………as Tiger Woods would say, it’s hard to battle the power of the vagina.
Weems – well, youngblood actually played tonight. Had one athletic move early and spent the rest of the night being average. He’s kinda like the guy who walks into a club looking all suave, ladies check him out, then 2 hours later he is drenched in sweat and smells like pee. Great to start off with, but you wouldn’t want to keep him around too long.
Wright – had his cards read in Toronto and was told he shouldn’t take part in this game for the goodness of his soul. If you would like a similar reading, please email A-Dub and he’ll hook you up with his alter-ego Chief YouBetterListenToMe.
Driving The Bus: DeMar DeRozan
Under The Bus: Chris Bosh
Game Theme:
161 Raps
There aren’t enough adjectives in the dictionary to describe the GM that will give the so-called leader of the Raptors MAX money . Let us start with moron , idiot , retarded , imbecile , substance smoker , etc…, but there will be one somewhere who will need that second banana to go for a championship.
For a season that held out some promise, it certainly has dissipated quickly. We all know the gory details.
I have one comment and one question
What kind of idiot head coach puts a 7 footer who cant defend on one of the most athletic players in the NBA? I could not believe my eyes when i saw Bosh on Horford and Bargs guarding Josh Smith.
This season looks in big trouble, but when does Jay make lineup changes to attempt to salvage it? Is this going to be like his timeouts, after the run has happened, ie: he will change the lineup in game 60.
It probably wouldn’t have mattered a great deal – I thought Triano some dubious decisions that sealed our fate
- the one you mention where he put Bargnani on Smith and Bosh on Horford rather than the other way around
- putting a line-up at the end on 1Q/early 2Q that had no offensive threats (Weems, Rasho. Johnson, Jack, and sorry escapes Wright or DeRozan)….. game was effectively our of reach after this shift … then things went from bad to worse.
seriously why aren’t the raptors’ analysts calling this team out for what it is? why do i have to continually endure leo rautins, matt devlin, eric smith and paul jones apologizing for Triano’s incredibly inept job as coach. why aren’t these guys clamouring for Colangelo to explain why he hired an unproven assistant coach WITHOUT INTERVIEWING ANY OTHER CANDIDATES FOR THE JOB. this is mickey mouse.
it’s now obvious to me that BC only had success because he was insulated by his dad. it’s so classic. this guy is a charlatan. we railroaded babcock out of town; let’s get the train going for BC.
I’m disgusted.
DISGUSTED
AltRaps …. You need not have posted this pathetic article … just post the score and say: “No Comment” ….!!!!
i can finally say +1, better yet +1000000000000…(you get the idea)
that would make him a quitter… glad that someone in Raptorland still has pride
I agree with FAQ.
This game isn’t worth comment.
…but yet here you are. (sorry please don’t be offended, I just found it funny)
Absolutley horrible effort. I predicted a loss by 40….. they lost by 30 theres the only positive of the night, along with Derozan’s offence and his ability to get to the line.
Nice to see you worked harder on the Roll-Call then the Raptors did in the game.
Couldn’t agree with you more about Bosh. Some leader.
So I’m getting on the lets trade Bosh right now or asap wagon. He is useless. Sure he gets great numbers but where is the D, where is the leadership. No desire. Tonight against the Hawks who actually triedt to play after the 2nd. I thought Bargs at least tried (though the zero rebounds and awful Defense makes that one iffy) and that Derozen showed why we picked him in the first round. Everyone else was garbage and did not even make an effort to get into the game after the first (oh Johnson was ok too). This is the type of game that makes me want to blow up the team, fire the coach and imprison BC in some sort of basketball gulag.
Clearly, this looks like the team that has totally resigned. BC created total mess, no doubt. This team is not only laughingstock of the league, but total disgrace.
When you see your starters on the bench laughing while their team is losing 5th straight game, and is down by 35 points – makes you feel like throwing up. Nets lost 18 straight games, but they don’t find it funny. You can take some pride even in losing.
What a disgrace of a team.
Definitely NJ will get its first win. Against the Raps
What leadership? If he has the leadership, then something might have come out of it. He does not even insprie the team. Everytime he has the ball, the whole team freezes and just watches. Why? because, they know that they wont have the ball back, even if you have four open team mates.
But I guess the game could have been close if he had his usual 20+ points right? BUt still a big L
One question. Who do you replace Bosh with that has leadership skills? If you think this boat is sinking with Bosh imagine it with Bargs, Calderone or Turk at the wheel….
“imprison BC in some sort of basketball gulag.”
where he has to spend his days watching chuck hayes shooting free throws
did anyone really thought we were going to win this game lol if it was up to me we should just tank it and go for JOHN WALL SWEEPSTAKES
You are right my friend. Chances in winning the lotto is greater than the Raps winning the NBA title.
LMAO … thanks for the reference to this edition Alt. hahaha
Seriously, I’m thankful that I spent tonight working on my back splash.
lol u guys r jus ****ing *****ers n haters
not fucking fans at all
look cheer for sum other team
all u guys do is ****ing hate n don’t appreciate anything
jus chill you guys need to get a ****ing life
Don’t worry it’s only early days, they just need time to gel and work out the minor kinks in Jays defencive scheme, yada yada yada. See you Jay, nice knowing you NOT!!!!
Don’t jump of the ledge just yet, they just need more time to gel and work out the few minor kinks in Jay’s defensive scheme…….. adios Jay nice knowing you …NOT!!!!!!
This team sucks. We might as well tank this season. Its gonna be hard to get rid of Turkoglu and his huge contract. Fire Colangelo and Triano this team sucks dick.
I turned it off at half time.
Johnson is now at the point where he can play one decent half but has yet to put together a complete game of what he is capable of.
I thought it was interesting that the Hawks announcers couldn’t believe those first half shots that Johnson took that went in. I just yawned. He has done that his whole life when given the chance.
He needs to better learn how to pace himself.
The foul issue is still a big problem, though my sense of it is that Johnson like a lot of players will use fouls to get taken out of the game when they are winded or just want to call it a night like in tonights blowout.
Johnson is the type of kid that rather than get 30 minutes tonight in a meaningless game he would rather commit the fouls and get pulled so someone like Pops can get some decent minutes.
Two nice half of games back to back.
Can he put together a good 30 minute double double before the year is over. I am not going to hold my breath, but we shall see.
If the Raptors win the John Wall sweepstakes will the ACC become known as the House of Wallnuts?
Sorry about that. LOL
Haha, love how you keep rippin’ on Banks.
But yeah, just owned, it’s looking live VC all over again, Bosh just not giving a f**k anymore…
I think he may have a new girl friend that tires him out and is already pregnant.
That is disgusting comments. Why are you attacking him personally.
Please keep your comments focused on his performance and the game.
stfu moron
Wow that was clever, did your mommy help you come up with that one or was it your big brother.
Sometimes, Raptors doesn’t even seem like an NBA-calibre team.
That would be the Nets you’re thinking about. The Raptors are just a few notches above them.
u sure about that? would you put $$ on the raps beating the nets right now?
DeRozan
Coming along nicely
He will continue to have major ups and downs as a rookie but like I posted before he should be playing pretty darn good most of the time sometime shortly after the all-star break.
The NBA season is long and NBA careers for guys like DeRozan and Johnson who is stil only 22 are long.
One never really knows how good a player will be until they are 25 or so especially for big men who develop more slowly.
DeRozan has a very bright future ahead of him. Enjoy. I know I am.
I would like to know if Triano has even heard of “PICK AND ROLL”, because the raptors haven’t done one THIS WHOLE SEASON.
this team is soo bad, so bad that for the first time in a while I actually liked studying, it was like study was the better enjoyment outta the two, this team is really really depressing, Im actually glad my finals are starting next week, but sadly it ends at the 17th, the day before the end of the season……the day we lose to the nets,
its coming guys, just prepare for the worst, or else suffer the consequences.
haha that’s funny because I did the same as soon as we were down by 30. I turned it off, something I haven’t done in a long, long time. Studying really was a better option.
Where the F*&K are all those Homer fans defending the Toronto Craptors NOW?????
its only preseson?!?!…
its only the first week?!?!…
it’s only the first roadtrip?!?!?….
it’s only the first month?!?!?…………….
Damn you BC for driving this franchise into the prehistoric era!!!!!!!
that’s what i wanna know…lol
I know bud…and while we are searching for those who ran off back into their caves with their tails tucked in……WHERE THE F&*@K are all the Chris Bosh nut huggers nowadays???????
Where the hell does this guy get off declaring ‘We’re Just Not A Good Team’ in the postgame interview anyways??!?
How about more releasing a more realistic statement to the tune of “EH, Im Just Not A Very GOOD FRANCHISE PLAYER!!!!!!”
I’m here.
Are you going to blame him for everything you see?
I’m pretty sure based on the post game interviews by the players in the locker room #4 is not seen as the ‘problem’.
What you and I think doesn’t matter. The players are letting us know what the problem is specifically and who they feel are to blame.
Yeah! How cane he say “We’re Just Not A Good Team” when he does not involve the team.
He could have said “I’m not just a good player!!!!”
FLUX …. I’ve never given up on the Ratpors … it’s just that nobody seemed to agree with my analysis, predictions and solutions at the beginning of the season … wonder why ???
I was one of those fans, and I still think that these guys can make the playoffs, But after last nights performance it doesn’t matter. We have this team (if Bosh stays) for the long run and they are heartless. No one will want Turks Giant contract, Derozen is our new young “star”, Bargs won’t be traded out of fear that some other team might either make him a good player or that he’ll be benched and BC will look stupid, and why would anyone want Calderon. So we are essentially stuck with this unless BC can trade bosh for someone who compliments the rest. This is discouraging.
No wonder its the Raptors, very prehistoric.
Certainly looked like the team (at least the leadership group) laid down and want to get JT fired. That was insulting…including Bosh, Wright and Turk yukking it up on the bench and down by 30 plus.
Cant wait to hear Bosh’s platitudes in the papers tomorrow..we all need to look in the mirror yada yada bs.
i couldnt watch this one because i was in class… i checked on my phone half way through the third quarter and saw the box score, and thought for sure that Bosh must have got injured or something and left the game, based on his terrible stat line, because it didnt show minutes played. When i got home i realized what really happened… i kinda wished he got injured, it would have been an easier pill to swallow to be honest.
and by the way… i think this looks EVEN BETTER on Triano seeing how Smitch was at the game.
LOL… Smitch was at the game tonight?! BURN
oh that’s right he lives in ATL spending MLSEs millions………
P.S.
I respect ALL Canadians in general but I honestly think coach JT is a clueless idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Players make the coach … remember Doc Rivers .. and then suddenly he had KG and Allen which saved his job as the Celtic coach ..?!
A coach is no better than his players … and if you insist Triano be fired, then the entire coaching staff should be sacked to because they are all involved with coaching solutions … it’s not only Triano.
The Raptors are not a viable team yet … because they consist of three veteran players and essentially 12 new players. Do you think a coach can instantly create a viable NBA within weeks if the players themselves are not top notch athletes???
Our “great coach” had training camp in Ottawa… then he had a month of preseason games… and now over the quoter mark into the season now and this DAMN team is seemingly getting worse by the day…
SOoooooooo, HOW MUCH MORE F@&KN TIME DO YOU NEED FOR THESE SUCKERS TO GEL FAQ?????????????????
Triano “focused” a lot on defense in the preseason, showing videos of it and preaching it. I think all the Raptors skipped that and went to watch the click flick Love Happens.
I guess that the team is so international that they dont understand what they are talking about.
I haven’t heard that song in forever!
It’s hard to call who bailed on this season first, the fans or the players? I can’t even express my disapointment. This team plays with no pride.
I don’t know dude, this board seems active to me all season, I don’t see any fans bailing, just disappointed
Imagine that fans having pride. Toronto people are crazy.
Anyone else find it hard to be a fan of this team anymore? I just don’t get it. Bad coaching. No heart. I’m sick of this Euro experiment. It doesn’t work in the NBA, never has. Hell, it doesn’t even sell tickets. They have no enthusiasm, desire or personality.
Blow it up BC, and throw yourself in the mix.
“Blow it up BC, and throw yourself in the mix.”
AMEN. Well said.
Now I know what it feels like to be a Toronto Maple Leafs fan. :(
The main culprit is their American leader who has absolutely no leadership qualities and is already pooped out after a month of play . Time to find a new leader via a trade of Bosh , it does not matter the nationality , color or if he come from Mars.
What does “American leader” have to do with anything? Is it because being an American makes you a minority on the Raptors?
drizz I believe that was a response to the initial knock on the “Euro experiment” which was totally absurd. Cesco was pointing out that if you are going to place blame on this team based on nationality, why not look at the so called leader, an american, first. Bottom line is it’s bullshit for anyone to imply that the failings of the Raptors has anything to do with the number of europeans on the team.
Players are players, black, white, brown, yellow, or blue.
And in my opinion, it’s the ‘Triano experiment’ that is killing this team. Bring in Frank or Messina…
I with you would be honest and say white and not Euro. It is at the very least disingenuous!
Can someone please tell me why i should keep watching this team right now?
To see how low they’ll go. Everyone loves rubbernecking at a disastrous wreck.
***sigh***
keep turk. dump all the other losers.
Why would you keep Turkoglu? Is he any better than Kapono?
I hope DD gives Bosh a good bashing. I know that won’t happen, but you know your team is gonna lose when the Rook gets more points than the franchise player.
seeing this game, I actually didn’t get angry or pissed off like I did with the bobcats game. This game was hilarious
That’s a good sign that you are getting used to this version of Raptors. I have been feeling the same. It kind of started after losing game to Memphis. That was an eye opener.
I am less and less upset as the time goes by. Good thing is that there are other games on TV, so I can switch the channel (typically around 3rd quarter). They surprised me tonight so I switched it during the second. They are getting better at finishing games fast :)
I would be soooo happy if there is a news story tomorrow about how Reggie Evans came into the locker room after the game and physically fought Chris Bosh for the performance he put on tonight. Actually, I wish he would fight nearly everyone on this team. The guy has more fight in his bummed leg than our “Star” has ever shown in his life.
And more than one veteran voice said Triano is failing to call out the players who are making the most egregious defensive mistakes.
“Every time something happens it’s always, `It’s okay, it’s all right.’ It’s not all right,” said Jarrett Jack, the reserve guard. “Problems go by without attacking them or challenging them or bringing them to the forefront and getting them solved. We can’t keep keep putting them to the back of the bus and just saying, `That’s okay.’ It’s not all right. Everybody can’t walk on eggshells around here and say, `We’re playing good basketball.’ We’re not.”
Said Antoine Wright: “You’ve got to address (the defensive issues) and you’ve got to show people on tape. It’s not personal. If you want to win, you’re going to have to make some sacrifices.”
I know you don’t want to believe it but it’s not Bosh they are talking about. lol
So are you blaming tonights loss on bargnani. The run by Atlanta occurred when Barg was substituted by Bosh in the first. Bosh couldn’t get anything going against Horford. Why? Because he is a physical player. He then started to foul becuase of frustration. Bosh in 15:49 seconds was a -20 with only two points coming on free throws. Bosh was abused repeatedly by Horford.
About bargnani (I want to be fair – not like the Toronto media and most of the blogs). How can someone play 21:43 minutes at the centre position and not get one rebound. He played with very little energy on defense and was basically non-existent.
The team as whole is defensively challenged and the defensive scheme (I hope it is not the same one used in Memphis during ivaroni tenure) is flawed. Thats why we are getting these awful results.
Bosh quit on his team and the Raptor franchise tonight. I cant believe nobody has noticed. They are busy blaming the euros. Stupid idiots.
Bro, he quit on this team/franchise last year. Not much of a newsflash.
For me, the defining moment was during the game he stood away from the huddle. That was a statement in every sense. And from a career point of view, I can’t fault him for what he’s doing;I just wonder what it’s costing this team.
I lambasted the guy all last year but in the early part of this season he had turned me into a believer (gullible me). Even after last week’s showings I was in his corner but tonight was inexcusable. It’s looking eerily similar to Vince Carter’s last days in Toronto, people thought picking Andrea Bargnani would define BC’s legacy, but it just might be the Bosh trade.
What a ridiculous statement. The guy leads the league in double doubles and he just switches it off and becomes a slacker?
Wow.
Arse? Seriously? I thought you knew better than that.
Of course not, it was a team effort, but the players are now letting us know what they think and it’s obvious that the problems you see and the problems they see are different and not all Bosh related.
It’s funny that no names were mentioned but you automatically thought of Bargs! lol
This killed me(look at the game flow graph):
http://espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=291202001
Our defense is so shitty it is literally off the charts.
If we don’t make it to 2010 with some kind of momentum and a respectable record I say we just out and out proclaim a fire sale on Bosh. I’d seriously accept a trade for the cash to buyout BC, Triano and Iavaroni then send them packing.
Meh, it’s looked worse, we’ve let teams shoot 59% before, that’s almost normal for us, I think the -22 rebounds and Atlanta’s 62 points in the paint are worse. At least in this game, but yeah, pretty much everything is brutal.
Oh I understand that, it was just the visual of the line actually leaving the confines of the chart that broke my spirit.
Does anyone knows which trade of Bosh could bring a starter with leadership qualities , who is an inspiration to those around him . If none are available then we are f***ed.
The guy is a loser outside the court too. He comes into clubs in Toronto dressed like a buffoon and acts all hard and I heard stories of him getting rejected by women all the time form a bouncer friend of mine. If players in the league don’t like the guy and no one on his own team take him serious you think regular folks in the real world will too?
Shaq – March 2009
“I heard what Chris Bosh has said and that’s some pretty big words coming from the RuPaul of big men. I’m going to do what everyone else has done already. make him quit, make him quit and complain. It’s what I do”
My take:
http://raptorsrepublic.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1324&posted=1#post1324
Inconceivable for BC to offer Bosh a 6 year, max money contract now … it would be an insult to tell Bosh he should stay with this mess … and destructive to the Raptors in the long term. I think it’s pretty much settled now that Bosh deserves to be traded to stop subjecting him to the disgrace of a collapsing team.
The question is: does anybody really want Bosh, or are we stuck with him for the duration of the season?! In a sense, I feel sorry for Bosh, who after all these years with the Raptors, finds himself in this bucket of shit.
Anybody who foolishly thought that the Raptors would easily make the playoffs are not only deluded, they know squat about basketball at the NBA level … there are no ‘miracles’ when you have 9 new and mostly unproven players on a rebuilt team. What the t.h. fans couldn’t envisage is the fact that the other teams would improve and the Raps couldn’t.
If by some miracle these Raptors do manage to eke out 8th place in the East, they will be quickly disposed of in straight games. Still .. no miracles …
Despite the fact that you’re clearly a weird, basement-dwelling sociopath – I’m inclined to agree with you there.
I agree also. A thought I had is Portland might want him. If we are going to throw this season, and this may sound dumb, I wouldn’t mind getting oden and maybe another piece for Bosh. Course I don’t see anyone breaking up there team a quarter of the way through the season so we probably are stuck.
This isn’t hyperbole, but a 48 year old Dennis Rodman would shut down Bosh in a basketball game and better yet, I would easily start him at PF over Bosh.
Joey
I thought I was the only Rodman fan—If only the raps had a player like him..
amen
Bosh: ‘We’re Just Not A Good Team’
RealGM – Dec 02, 2009 10:44 PM EST
Chris Bosh was visibly upset after his team was embarrassed 146-115 in Atlanta on Wednesday night.
“Our defensive effort hasn’t been there for awhile,” Bosh said. “We got to be honest with ourselves. Tonight was just an embarrassment. We couldn’t stop anybody. We haven’t stopped anybody all year.”
Bosh was held without a field goal in the game and told RealGM that he couldn’t remember the last time that had happened.
Bosh went on to say that “the past few games, we’ve been outworked in every aspect. We don’t get on the ground. We don’t consistently get rebounds. We give up a lot of points in the paint. No coverage is good for us. We’re just not a good team.”
The loss was Toronto’s fifth in a row and dropped their record to 7-13 on the season.
……………………………………………………………
What can you expect from a team composed of 3 veteran players and essentially 12 new players … not much and that’s reality ..!!!!
Coach Triano can only do so much to prepare the team, but he can’t produce instant defense because that takes time to develop. Of course putting three big and slow players on the floor with two guards isn’t exactly a winning combination in the NBA … so obvious.
Ummm … you do realize we have our own forums here now at RR eh FAQ? We’re discussing it here too. ;)
Link: http://raptorsrepublic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266
http://www.nba.com/raptors/video/2009/12/02/RWEB091202TRIANO16×9-1141387/index.html#
this was antoine wright’s last sentence before the video cuts off.
“coach just has to, you know, do a good job of changing it up and um, coming up with a better scheme because right now, it’s not working”
i found that kind of mildly disturbing.
but then i watched this…
http://www.nba.com/raptors/video/2009/12/02/RWEB091202TRIANO16×9-1141387/index.html#
Paul Jones (I think): Jay, after a loss like this, a big loss, you know it’s not for lack of preparation, but it can be disheartening for the team in there. Can you let us in a little bit as to what happened when you went in? Did the guys –
Jay Triano: I don’t speak afterwards. After wins, it’s too much of a positive bull emotion, and after losses it’s too much you know, negative emotion…and i like to evaluate the tape before i go in and speak to them.
PJ: Did the players speak at all to each other?
JT: I was with the coaches.
Is that normal?? Maybe it is, I don’t know. I have never played in any organized sports team where there was a real coach…but it seemed even Paul Jones was surprised (If it’s not Jones, I stand corrected). I mean as much as I hate Leo, he keeps talking about how this team needs accountability. And I just kinda pass it off as yeah sure, whatever, but reading Jarrett Jack’s comments above about how “you can’t go walking on eggshells, pretending how we’re playing good basketball”….if you combine that with the fact that Triano doesn’t even *talk* to the team after games, win or lose….
Like when Wright is telling the media that the coach should change it up, I kind of assumed that he told Jay already, or that Jay knows how he feels. But does he?? Wright’s been saying stuff like that throughout the past week or two, but tonight was the most pointed and direct he’s ever been regarding the defensive schemes. I hope he doesn’t feel like he’s not being heard, and that the only way to communicate with his coach is through the media.
One more thing…at 2:20 of that Triano interview, he says “You know what? I can’t say that I didn’t see anybody not trying out there.”
Triano is out of his element. Every other coach is playing chess, he’s playing tic tac toe.
ROTD.
But FLUX … surely you must appreciate that Triano has been given a herculean task with the new edition Raptors … filled with 12 new players and 3 true veterans. What other NBA coach would take on this challenge, other than somebody as loyal and devoted as Triano.. ???
Give Triano some slack .. because he no doubt has agreed with BC that this is a development situation with no foreseeable results at the end of the season. Top NBA coaches wouldn’t even entertain coming to Toronto for this mess.
So what does Triano do? His starting lineup is essentially 4 players plus rookie DeMar planted in the corners … and then he has finished games with his best answer … three big, slow players plus two guards … surely not an NBA solution .. but what else can the poor shmuck do … not much …!!!!
FAQ.
Them are the facts, I agree. Im just saying Triano is out of his place – he mutually agreed to this and there were two sides to the decision, but it’s like asking the kid at Burger King to cook for Chef Ramsay. When the chips are down, my man is making every coach out there look like Red or Phil.
I’m sure you’ve seen Larry Brown, at any point of his career, do more with less. Not to argue, that yes, no coach would touch this. It’s not so much a knock on the individual players, it’s the unit of them that makes it undesirable.
Plus, the agendas with BC and Bosh surely impede any realistic execution of a natural flowing offense. Oh, and I was under the impression that fouls were supposed to be an incidental part of the game, not a tool to exploit and increase your numbers… aheem… contribution to the team. Relying on trips to the FT line and looking for that, is un bball natural like to me. Plus, with agendas I cant help but wonder if other player are unhappy with their roles, particularly in a situation where they believe to be equal to said agenda seekers.
Agreed with BC about this year being a developmental situation???
I thought BC said this could be a 50 win team. lol.
I can see where you have a point about all the new faces yada yada….but 146 pts.? and going up/getting worse it seems. Why would you have players like Jack and Wright actually call out the coaches about the defensive schemes being used? When was the last time you heard any team in the NBA have players call out their coach publicly like this? They’d have their asses firmly on the bench.
You are going to have to get off this 12 new faces argument some as being entirely the reason for the la creme merde we have happening here.
LOL you nailed it. ROTD for sure.
You can read the summary of Wright and Jack comments towards Triano here: http://raptorsrepublic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=267
I hate to come to this conclusion but Jay Triano isn’t ready to be an NBA head coach.
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The only way this Atlanta game is the worse, is if that Mad Cow thing – ala Denny Crane – has suddenly struck me.
There are many more, and many worse, that are stuck in the brain. Pick a special loss from one of many to VC – and you’ll find some serious hair pulling.
Or maybe remember .. Jan 22, 2006 … when Kobe Bryant put down 81 points, and the Lakers won 122 to 104. Not a good memory.
For me, the real reason why it wasn’t the worse … 27.5 minutes per position – the average time available for those not named Turk, Bosh, Bargs & Jose.
The odd thing about tonight`s game, is that it just kinda crept up. And at some late point in the 1st quarter, intuition managed to fog up the corneas. Eventually they cleared, and suddenly I noticed that … hey, what the f#@k am I doing watching a scrub game. What channel is this? I didn’t know D League games were televised? Ah well … might be a good time to check it out, and see if there`s a diamond in the rough, playing.
Nope … that’s why they’re playing there.
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2010…bye bye Bosh and Halladay? Might be a horrible year for the Toronto sports fan =(
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Losing Halladay will be much tougher. He has been the Lebron of baseball – an MVP without a title.
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I feel like the best strategy right now is to enjoy them while they last…oh wait, you can’t enjoy them if we keep losing!
Love the Bosh haters. Imagine leading the league in double doubles, being top 10 in scoring and rebounding in addition to being a 4 time all star and people are actually demanding the team trade you. Then imagine you play for the Raptors, with a rookie head coach who looks clearly lost, a defensive coach brought in to lead the Raptors to an historic bad D, and a 7 foot former 1st pick who is afraid of contact and who can manage to go 22 minutes without grabbing a board. I don’t even think there is an Italian word for defense.
Anyway keep hating, when he’s gone we’ll get to see a REALLY bad defensive team.
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You can say it’ll be a NORMAL offensive team, and I’ll be right with you on that … but you lose me when you say our defense will suffer.
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Improving on Bosh’s defense isn’t much of a stretch.
But replacing his points and boards could be a problem.
lol. 6 years of watching this pussy lead us no where is enough for me to be quite honest. with bosh leading us were known league wide as soft bitches becuase of bosh’s leadership. time for a new face, a new core, a new direction. being known as soft dorky goofy bitches for 6 years now with bosh at the helm is enough for me. i can live with bargs and amir and bosh getting us a pick and a player or 2. bosh is so overrated is laughable.bosh isnt a fraction of the player vince carter was for us and vc was a bitch as well. what does that say?
Elton Brand is great at getting 20/10 per game. He played for a team called the Los Angelas Clippers. Everyone thought he was a great franchise player. Do you agree with that assessment. Value in society is not based on numbers but results.
What has Chris Bosh accomplished in his time in Toronto? We have tried numerous combinations with him with no success. He is a good player but not great player. You cannot build a team around him as a centrepiece. He will be a very good complimentary piece in a secondary role to a franchise player such as Wade, Lebron or Kobe.
When you mention that this team will be a Really bad defensive team without Bosh, I am confused. Our we not a REALLY BAD DEFENSIVE TEAM with him.
it can’t get any worse, there is only up from here. Trade everyone, change coaches, whatever, cause I’m really sick of this shit
I know, it’s amazing to witness but we shouldn’t be surprised.
Thats how Toronto people (and converted hockey fans) are.
I wonder if Triano is going to keep the ‘believe’ slide on the projection screen with the Larry O’Brien trophy on it during meetings… It’s really laughable to think of all the smoke that was blown up our asses during training camp, call me naive and call me a raptors fan
Was Bosh Hurt today or did he just quite the team today ? I did not see the game but from the after the game interviews and the body languages and …. Anyway, I don’t think that firing GM is the answer since this team is so locked up with contracts that a new guy can not make any difference.
Ya think Bosh is doing a “vince” on us … just to get traded … knowing that he is the only tradeable chip on the Raptor roster …????!!!!
I don’t think so. I just think he was frustrated and annoyed.
Bosh’s market value will diminish if he is stuck on the Raptors for the entire season. I suspect he would welcome a trade to a contending team, but that seems unlikely. Bosh’s spirit could be broken because he is trying his utmost to rebound and fight under the basket .. and as for his defense, that is badly exposed playing on the sieve-like Raptors.
I have suggested he be traded to the NYKs for Lee, Gallinari and Darko .. and NYK use him as incentive bait for Lebron to join … just saying.
LOL, Thank God you have no say in any decision made by Raptors front office.
NY has already the incentive bait for LBJ in the Gallo , Bosh could be willing to go there for bread crumbs at the expiration of his current contract if he knows he will be able to polish LBJ shoes.
cesco .. I think Lebron would prefer playing in NY with Bosh rather than some unproven Euro … whereas Lee, Gallinari and Darko would find a home in Toronto playing for the Raptors … particularly if they got juicy, long-term contracts from BC.
It was hard to tell.
I watched the whole game and didn’t notice he played!
I think there should be a team meeting. Players seemed frustrated and Jay seems to be out of answer. The game on Friday will tell alot about this team. I have a feeling that we will win that game .
this calls for a “players only” meeting!
or even just a normal meeting
Yup, it’s being held here:
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/8426/jarrettjackchrisboshpar.jpg
BWAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!
man that was jarring…
they both went to school in atlanta right? i wouldn’t be surprised if they let one of their old college buddies use their names to promote a party as a favor….i mean the photo of bosh is the one taken at the red carpet of one of the muchmusic awards, and the one of jack, i don’t know, but it looks like a draft day photo or something. at any rate, those auburn hands and that cool money basketball thing is totally graphically superimposed and is as realistic as the main title. it’s kind of awesome and hilarious actually, come to think of it.
who knows if they even went…
i would’ve though
LOL!!
Wow, that escalated fast.
Looks like I (we?) need a mistress team. That used to be the Lakers but it’s been so long and I’m guessing she’s getting booty calls from all over the league these days. Charlotte? They play hard and give the C***ics trouble. Anyone else got ideas?
OKC.
Sure, if they move back to Seatle.
The Raptors suck! Fire Triano – His replacement – walk down yonge street find the first person with a pulse and higher them. My bet we do just as well if not slightly better. At least the guy that gets hired will know when a T.O. player has checked out cause he has seen it so many times before (Tmac, VC, Bosh) and that is only basketball.
It’s 2:00 AM and all of us are not sleeping, because of the most gutless effort ever disaplyed by any rAPTOR team since it’s inception….I have no words at this point, I’m sure anybody associated with this organization wants out today!!!! including Doug SMith who clearly hates his life and job and the internet and blogging (read his blog it’s actually hialrious – people are acutally telling him to shut up on his own blog…..nads.. pure nads!!!)….
What’s more astonishing – how come its 20 games in the season and not one thing has changed to improve the defense? It’s time to go to a simple format, clearly this format is way to complicated for this team to grasp…..
Does anybody get the feeling that Triano doesn’t want to change things, because he feels like he is giving up on his principles….WOW, that’s a good way to get fired…..
Anybody dieing to here what BC’s take on all this…. I’m sure he’s shook up at this point. Whatever ego he had, is absolutely gone now!!!!
Last year group was gutless, this year has brand new players and they too are gutless? Does something not add up? Who called Hedo gutless last year? NOBODY!!!!!! What’s the missing piece here that I don’t understand…
I watched the Bosh interview, if you look in his eyes, he’s done!! He wants out, and I think the fans want him out…
I think that whats coming out now is very actionable. Someone has to act. Coach or GM.
As far as I am concerned, it’s okay for a coach to blow up on a team after a loss. These guys are men, and sometimes that gets people’s honest opinions out in the open. Sure those moments are difficult, but if you get through them you increase your bond and respect. Not facing it, well… like the saying goes “loosing face”.
I don’t think SVG follows Triano’s ways, Howard asked the coach for reprieve, you can imagine how the other players felt.
Triano gave a post-game press briefing in which he said he couldn’t fault his team’s effort – “I can’t say I (saw players) not trying out there”
…any more to say about where the problem is?
There is a reason why the drill instuctor is a prick in the army.
Studies have been done that show conclusivly that you get more out of people that way. The army is as old as time, they use proven and trusted methods becaue in critical situations it can cost you or your “teammates” life.
However, since this discipline is applied universally AND EQUALLY it is tolarated and accepted by the cadets as the right to be part of the few.
The worst thing about tonight wasn’t the loss itself – which was horrific. It’s what it revealed fundamentally about this franchise. Frankly, that’s its going nowhere. For a long time. I was wrong about this team. Dead wrong. And I wouldn’t blame anyone (not even FAQ and the rest of the peanut gallery) for laughing at me now.
I’ll admit that I was optimistic even after the Charlotte loss. But I’ve had enough of these clowns. The whole organization can go to hell for all I care. I’ll still tune in, but rarely, and definitely not until I see a team that at least gives some semblance of pride and at least lip service to the notion of earning a paycheck.
See you in 2013.
Jog … I don’t laugh at anybody here … I just have contempt for t.h. fans who “love” Bosh and use bball to make their pathetic lives livable … and now that things are crashing about them all they can do is slag the Raptors for hurting their precious feeeeeeeelings…!!!!
Have the Raptors hurt your feeeeeeelings ..???!!!!
Anyone agree that the raptors are almost exactly like Liverpool FC. Crap coach, crap owners, team built very poorly, non-existent defence and falling way short of expectations
And I follow both F*&^**^ teams god dammit
Triano is not as bad coach as Smitch – it’s almost impossible to be so bad – but he’s completely lost.
Besides usual strange rotations and (already traditional) not calling timeouts when team is being run over, I noticed two more things yesterday:
1) Turkoglu starts with two 3-pointers and then actions are not called for him anymore. That’s not the way You do things versus Hawks. How do You play Hawks? You attack them through Horford? No. Through JJ? Even less. Through J-Smoove? Hell, no. Weak spot of their defense is Starvin’ Marvin. Even West coaches know it by now, but it seems Triano is not familiar even with teams from East Conference … even worse, it seems he doesn’t bother to scout them. Turkoglu had no field goal attempts in 2nd half.
2) Nesterovic played entire 4th quarter of garbage time. That’s not the way you treat 12-years veteran. Garbage time is for kids like Amir and Pops (and selfish players like Jack). Experienced head coaches know it. Triano once again showing all this is plain overwhelming for him.
BC choosed Triano to be head coach for some strange reason and because of that JT is not going to be fired, Jay is Brian’s choice and if he goes down, Brian’s position becomes weaker. For same reason BC will never trade Bargs, it’s his No1 pick.
we’ve had the chance to keep Messina, a COACH; now we have Triano, a interim coach in a not interim embarassing situation.
so…TO sports fans ‘lost’ delgado & VC roughly around the same time. will losing doc & bosh at roughly the same time (seems kind of inevitible now, no?) hurt more, less, or around the same? i’m thinking more…but mainly ’cause of doc. too bad they couldn’t take a touch of his intensity & leadership & pump it through bosh’s veins.
I wish I was able to screen capture one image of JT sitting there looking befuddled. It pretty much summed up the game. 146 points??!! Just pathetic. Starting to have less belief in this team. To get to 39 wins they have to go 33-30 or 33-29 the rest of the way. sure it’s early, and anything can happen, but let’s say they make it and face atlanta. You think they won’t remember how they ripped us a new bunghole tonight? Sure they will, and will do it again.
As many have said – I wouldn’t mind seeing an early exit from Bosh because we know if this keeps up, he’ll blame the losses and leave. They were talking about the 2nd tier class of 2010, with Joe Johnson. I wish we had a PLAYER like him, but with Calderon/Bargnani and Turkgulu now signed for mega extesions, doubt MLSE will dole out cash for anyone but bosh.
If they keep Bosh till the end of the season they will have the cash to offer Johnson max money . It may be the solution to our search for a 2.
Would Joe Johnson even want to play with the current squad? He turned down $60 mill/4 years because he was concerned about the direction the Hawks were headed. It would be hard to attract any free agent at this point. I think the addition of Turkoglu and a good season this year was our only shot at becoming relevant in the NBA. Now with the inevitable departure of Bosh and the remaining core of Calderon, Bargnani and Turk (all with difficult to move contracts), Toronto is faced with a bleak future unless BC does something magical. However, we are all aware of his track record in Toronto.
dre …. you are coming closer to reality now. To improve the Raptors will require new players through trades … and the only trading chip that BC has is Bosh. None of the other players are tradeable.
I’ve suggested a possible trade is Bosh to the NYK for Lee, Gallinari and Darko … and the NYK using Bosh as bait to attract Lebron. Do you think such additions would improve the lugubrious Raptors??
Darn. This is getting too expensive. Now I have to nuy new PS3 games… A lot better that letting myself get upset watching the Raps
Well, let’s be positive. It is still early in the year. Sure the team is bad, the coach is bad, and the defensive scheme is awful but we can still pull it together. We’re not even halfway in yet. I don’t buy the whole gelling thing, but I do think that the team still has some potential. All we need is one victory to get the teams confidence back and some defense. And we need someone to step up and lead.
Oh and for those of us who were complaing about how guys look off bargs, I think the answer might be that they feel the need to punish him. If I interpret Jack’s comments about Triano not calling out bad D as being focused directly on Bargs, it would explain why
1. his defense is still awful and
2. People looking him off. If you have a player on your team just not putting in effort on Defense and the coach won’t talk to him someone has to do something to let him know its not ok.
The question I have for Bosh after his “we’re just not a good team” is what are you doing about it? Bosh started off strong like last year bur now has gone into a funk and become disillusioned with his team the same as last year.
Sit Bosh and his crappy attitude. The Raps need a leader who believes when the going gets tough the tough get going.
exactly, how am i supposed to believe they are going to turn this around, that they are going to ‘gel,’ if even our franchise player says “we’re just not a good team.” tell that to Colangelo and the millions of dollars he spend this year, i dont think he’ll be happy
I don’t know who I am more embarrassed about. The Raptors as a team or Raptor fans. The ignorance around here is incredible.
What has the Raptors done for me lately? Besides causing stress, tantrums, and me throwing a beer bottle at the TV?
uh, just going out on a limb here, but you may have issues that run a touch deeper than just being a disgruntled fan of a bball team…
I have no problem criticizing the Raptors. I’ve done it plenty. But there’s a difference between intelligent criticism and unintelligible rants.
People jump on Triano like any other coach would make any difference. They wouldn’t. Some people hated the hiring to begin with because he didn’t fit what they wanted. You’ve got a team with the average age of the 24.8 years of age for the ten players who play the most, a starting unit without one clearly above average defender and a starting center who rebounds with the consistency of warm jello. And then there’s the fact that they’ve only been playing together for a month, in a league where longterm consistency is the cornerstone to success. It is IMPOSSIBLE to judge Triano’s coaching abilities after a month with this group. Anyone who thinks differently doesn’t understand the NBA.
And Bosh didn’t have a great game. He also played 16 minutes and got into foul trouble. People act like no other franchise player has ever done that. One doesn’t actually have to look that far. Dwight Howard played 18 minutes against the Thunder, scoring 8 points, grabbing 5 rebounds and fouling out. In 18 minutes. And Orlando lost.
And no, the Raptors have not had great success with Bosh as their franchise player.
- At 20, his team won 33 games the same year Vince bailed, because of bad management, and was given up for basically nothing, and the leading scorer was Jalen Rose. Quite frankly, they probably overachieved.
- When he was 21 years old, and had Mike James as the starting PG, they only won 27 games. Was that a surprise?
- When he was just 22, they ended up winning 47 games and the Atlantic Division Title, while he was surrounded by role players, but the second best player was TJ Ford. Again, 47 wins was probably overachieving. In the playoffs, they lost against a more talented Nets team after losing their starting SF, and biggest defensive presence, to injury.
- At 23, the Raptors lost two of the previous years’ starters to major injuries (Garbajosa barely returned). WInning 44 games was pretty good considering the team had no other star other than Bosh.
- A 24 year old Bosh, surrounded by a hobbled Jermaine O’Neal, a hamstrung Calderon, a vastly underachieving Jamario Moon, and a slumping Anthony Parker and Jason Kapono won 33 games. Although they did lay well at the end when they had an actual good player (and good defender and rebounder), at the starting small forward position.
I’m trying to find where I can lay the blame on Bosh for not leading his team anywhere, and I can’t. He’s a player who has really only been surrounded by enough (and the right) talent to succeed once. I was hopeful, and still am, that this year he would again. At this point, the defensive problems are killing the team, and it’s a fundamental problem that has little to do with the franchise player.
Can we PLEASE stop the excuses for TRIANO? it seems like from the first game he has coached, we have been making excuses for him. How long is enough? I don’t mind our 7-12 record because of the schedule, but the way we have been losing is just embarrasing. This coach needs to be gone. Obviously he is not head coach material. A head coach needs to be phil jackson, sam van gandy, or …. not a pussy who can only make up excuses after the game. HIS STRATEGIES sucks and that is final!