Comments on: Bosh’s Decision in Strictly Fiscal Terms

By: Hardcore Raps

Hardcore Raps — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:17:44 +0000

too bad their big name players tend to blow

By: weeeems

weeeems — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:47:23 +0000

Houston also has the brightest FO in the league. They can find no-name players who actually produce when part of a cohesive unit.

By: Mark

Mark — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:10:22 +0000

I was with you right up to Toronto is a semi competitive team. We suck. He is so sick of answering questions about why we suck that I put the chances of him staying at 0! HE will ask for a sign and trade and we will send him to Miami for Beasley and a bunch of losers. I can’t believe the Raptors have blown it again. Why can’t we win?

By: sleepz

sleepz — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:07:18 +0000

Pizza,

You’re funny.

Bargniani is much more gifted offensively than Bosh? Barg’s is a better shooter especially from three point land, but doesn’t get to the line with any regularity and rarely gets second chance points off offensive boards. Offensively gifted is based on what to you?

Better defender? Based on what evidence again outside your infatuation with #7?

To suggest Amir has more upside makes me wonder if you know what upside means.

I’ve played from high school up, and in men’s leagues as well. I don’t have season tickets but I dont’ think that means anything to the foolish arguments you are spewing. Ask GM’s around the league who have far more credentials than you or I about your assessments and laughter will be the response.

You think Bosh is a selfish player, while all his previous coaches have decided to direct the offence through him for a purpose.

It’s alright to hate Bosh, your more than entitled to, just don’t talk nonsense about selfishness, and Barg’s being a better offensive player, and Amir having more upside and all the crap in between.

Just indicate your hate and leave out all the novice analysis

By: poolthief

poolthief — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:49:46 +0000

“as for the pick – it would be in the mid teens at best. when was the last time a mid-teens pick became the building block for a franchise?”

That’s what I’m saying though. If you traded Bosh now and committed the rest of the season to developing DeMar, Belli, Amir, and any young talent we received for Bosh that pick could end up being in the top 5. The draft is our only chance at finding a franchise player to replace CB.

By: tonious35

tonious35 — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:30:47 +0000

I’m just severely bothered now that this team is left with very little guaranteed starting lineup defensive talent/effort. Maybe Bosh deserves his money, but the entire core that stands around Bosh is just defensively flawed and it won’t ever contend the playoffs, yes I said “no playoffs”. Bargs would look good and be happy if he was in Channing Frye’s position in Steve Nash’s system in PHX, and am I implying a trade? Dunno… Now I know how wade feels, except our team does not have a crappy bench.

By: Pizzaman

Pizzaman — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:18:07 +0000

Sleepz I do not as you put it have a favorite player although I think Bargnani has tremendous upside including being a better baller than Bosh in many aspects which you may find crazy.He is already more gifted offensively by a wide stretch, and he’s a better man defender. I also think Amir has more upside than Bosh so it’s not so much that my favorite is Bargnani as much as I am sick of watching Bosh think he’s a superstar and try to take over games he cannot. I also am a very astute basketball fan who has played right through all levels of school, and some tough men’s leauges. I have had Raptor season tickets since day 1. Meantime none of that matters other than I don’t share your opinions. I think Bosh has to go for this team chemistry to improve and hope Colangelo pulls the trigger soon. This team could become a team without Bosh, while it will only be a bunch of players surrounding an all star player who thinks he’s a superstar player and has the ego of Lebron without the talent to carry a team. Also Yes I think he’s a selfish player and that he thinks everything should go through him to the detriment of the team and other players. This organization needed a star after Vince left and they made it Bosh but his head’s bigger than his game.Oh and Bosh is a horrible passer for the amount of years he’s been here, mind you he does’nt get much practice at passing though.

By: Hardcore Raps

Hardcore Raps — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:40:16 +0000

MLSE would defeinetely spend well over the cap if it makes financial sense (ie. will viewership, ticket sales… especially inflated playoff tickets, etc. outway the cost of salaries). They are intelligent business men, never doubt that.

However, in order to do that you need to ensure a large, reliable following. Question is can you get that in Canada with hockey being the sport of choice? Thats why BC targeting a international following COULD be just the ticket (longer term) to getting MLSE to spend.

By: Hardcore Raps

Hardcore Raps — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:35:01 +0000

you forget about the Spurs…. and Lakers…

By: sleepz

sleepz — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:34:29 +0000

We lost to the Nets and Magic cause they were better teams with better players.

There are 12 players typically on a basketball team. I’m unaware of any team that has won an entire series with one player.

Have you seen that?

By: Hardcore Raps

Hardcore Raps — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:30:36 +0000

You must also remember that Canada is a hockey first country and the population is 10% (or so) of the US. Any one major city in the US is likely to have more B-ball fans than all of Canada.

Now consider all those fans across the US vs Canada. The difference in #s is ridiculous. Then think nationally televised games, wealth in the US etc.

The only advantage the Raps have is international coverage…. which could be extremely large but I would imagine alot of other countries are concentrating more on their players (ie. Bargs, Calderon etc.) than American players.

By: sleepz

sleepz — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:29:29 +0000

I think most GM’s build around their best player and the other parts are spare parts that you find chemistry and cohesion with.

Bosh is your best player and Barg’s is the second fiddle. No one here is God so to say that a 25 year old and a 22 can’t win a championship is premature and none of you know what you speak of. You cannot tell the future.

Everyone else on the roster should be tailored to accentuate these two players abilities.

By: sleepz

sleepz — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:23:16 +0000

You’re not a very astute or casual basketball fan if you think that Bosh has as many lapses (I assume you’re referring to defence) as his teammates and is a selfish stat padder.

You guys kill me. lol

Drafted by the Raps and has been a soldier his whole time here.

Leading scorer, rebounder, gets to the line more than the rest of the team combined it seems, is the ONLY player that attracts a double team, but he’s like the rest of the team, right?

Let me guess, Barg’s is your favorite player on the squad? lol

By: Dragan

Dragan — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:06:48 +0000

Being from Europe myself, I like seeing European players in the NBA. But, let’s be realistic – you rarely see any athleticism with European players. That translates into poor ability to defend and if you have majority of the team comprised of non-defenders, you have to shoot high percentage every night to win the games.

What happens when your shot is not falling, and you are unable to defend? What happens when your conditioning is so poor that you cannot play all 4 quarters? We have seen that many times this season.

Generally, if you have 1 European player in starting 5 defense may not be such a big issue (unless it is Calderon and gets burned by much quicker opposing point guards). Also, once they hit late 20s European players are retirement candidates (see Stojakovic, Turkoglu etc.) and their lack of conditioning and mobility becomes even more apparent.

European players? Yes, of course, but they should not make 75% of your starting unit.

By: sleepz

sleepz — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:05:40 +0000

Bring in a franchsie player? They grow on tress apparently. You’ve named 3-4 guys better than him. Take out those three names cause any team in the league would be better off with those players, and now come tell us who REALISTICALLY you could replace him with. Joe Johnson? Amare Stoudemire? Toronto fans love to hate their own.

I wonder if you’ll say that about Barg’s. On second though, probably not.

By: sleepz

sleepz — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:54:19 +0000

With Kobe, Lebron or Wade they would be a better team but you’re not getting any of these SWING men and instead of throwing out those names throw out names of players you could conceivably replace Bosh with.

Once you find the next player that will be that leader or the best player on your team, cause no one on the roster fits that bill currently, then your arguments have more merit.

Until then your talk is like psssing in the wind.

And those that talk about salary cap implications look at the money other players on this roster are making in relation to their production and you’ll realize that you might have far bigger issue than Bosh making that kind of money. No one is complaining about his salary right now so why after a slight increase?

By: Boko

Boko — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:06:18 +0000

The Knicks, Lakers & Bulls can out-match the Raptors on the endorsement deals front. The Lakers don’t need him. The Knicks are worse than the Raptors, and we wumped the Bulls. I hope he’s staying, but it’s going to take a trade for a very good swing who can play D to convince me that we can get past the first round. Right now, Turkoglu & Belinelli & DeRozan are not performing well enough. That’s got to change THIS year!!!!!!!!!!! And Jack has to up his game!!!!!!!!!!!

By: yertu damkule

yertu damkule — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:22:41 +0000

houston defends, rebounds & works on fundamentals & intangibles. i’m thinking that may have something to do with it.

By: TheV@nM@n

TheV@nM@n — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:21:42 +0000

Yes, we would be like Miami.
So trade Bosh and get a couple of players with a draft pick. Bosh is not a franchise player, nor does he deserve a max contract. All you need to think about is the Blue Jays and Wells monster contract. Bosh will play hard this year (for stats only – his double doubles don’t mean anything if his TEAM doesn’t win!)And then we will be stuck with a player that is content because he is getting paid, not winning. Bosh is NOT a “superstar”! If he put as much effort into trying to play team defence as he does faking fouls ( most times he looks like a soccer player… could be the European influence )maybe he could be great.
TRADE BOSH NOW!
The Raptors will never win if they continue to try and put a team around Bosh. His style of play is not the style a franchise player plays. He will never hit the big shot, I don’t care which team he plays for! All the hopes for Bosh to be great is just that “hopes”, it’s time to give up on him and look to the next person…who isn’t playing for Toronto, yet.
Go Raps Go!

By: yertu damkule

yertu damkule — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:21:33 +0000

a question: does ‘upside’ = ‘ceiling?’