Comments on: Morning Coffee – Nov 16

By: Tim W.

Tim W. — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:06:42 +0000

If the game was lost with 8:28 left, then how on earth were they still in the game until the final shot?

Let’s not overdramatize things, shall we?

By: Arsenalist

Arsenalist — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:46:14 +0000

Well, he bumbled it, nobody could see that coming, I’m sure the plan was to launch early enough to crash the boards. Didn’t happen, oh well. Can’t predict bumbles.

To speak in hindsight and say that we should’ve gone inside by pointing to two good looks we missed is just talking for talking sakes.

By: Brian Gerstein

Brian Gerstein — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:42:12 +0000

Arse, that should be a pretty big complaint that the shot was taken too late for a chance at an offensive board and a putback.

My point is that with 12+ seconds left there is enough time to get a great look AND have a chance to crash the boards. My frustration is that it was a play that we win if we hit and lose if we don’t versus giving us a better % play.

I look at it as a poker player being how many outs do you have? I only saw one out on this play down by one point when Jay could have brought a play in that had two or even three outs.

I will give you that Turk’s shooting helped us get to this point in the game and he had the hot hand. My analysis is not based on the hot hand he had, just on the number of outs.

By: brothersteve

brothersteve — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:36:01 +0000

No last minute foul calls except for Steve Nash? For the win.

By: Arsenalist

Arsenalist — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:22:45 +0000

Bullshit! We pay Hedo $53M for a reason, it’s for times like these. He didn’t deliver, as simple as that. Hopefully next time he will, I’d run the same play again in a heartbeat. My only complaint was that we didn’t have a chance to go at the offensive rebound because it was taken too late.

By: Bob

Bob — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:18:17 +0000

“In this case, you have to pound it down low to Bosh and force the refs to call a foul by driving hard to the hoop”

How many fouls do the refs call when the away team drives in for a layup with only a few seconds to go?
I’ve seen this situation 1000 times, and 90% of the time the refs don’t blow the whistle even if it is a foul.

I think Turk should have tried to work a jumper in the 15 ft range instead of a 3 in my opinion.

By: Shayan

Shayan — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:09:19 +0000

Usually I’d complain about not having Bosh involved in the offense on the final shot, but the play call was fine. We brought Turk in to do what he did, and he made outrageously clutch shots, unfortunately the last one didn’t go down.

By: brothersteve

brothersteve — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:59:15 +0000

The game was lost at the 8:28 mark of the 4th when Jay Triano put Jose Calderon and Jarrett Jack out together for 2:16. In that time the Suns go on a 7-2 run to take a 5 point lead. The ONLY stretch of poor defense from the Raptors on this night.

The Raps fought back but came up short in the final minute. This should never have been a 50/50 play at the buzzer!

Calderon & Jack are giving up 136.8 points per 100 possessions when they are on the floor together. Hasn’t Triano noticed yet?

By: Brian Gerstein

Brian Gerstein — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:20:36 +0000

The Post hit it dead on with the following analysis:

“However, none of the Raptors’ final four shots were in the paint, somewhat egregious given the calibre of Bosh’s play this season.”

With 12 seconds and change left and down one point, I just don’t understand how we put all of our eggs on an outside shot when we have a completely different CB4 to use this year. Had Turk not fumbled the ball then maybe we would have at least had a chance for an offensive rebound, although I still have my doubts about that.

In this case, you have to pound it down low to Bosh and force the refs to call a foul by driving hard to the hoop. Bosh is not exactly Lebron when it comes down to these situations, but I have to think that it would have been a higher % play. You either make the shot to win the game, get fouled to win the game, or crash the boards with enough time left to have a 2nd crack at it.

By taking an outside shot, the foul was doubtful, the % to make the shot is less, plus getting the offensive board would be difficult, especially given how long it was taking for Turk to even make his attempt.

When we signed Turk, I was all for him having the ball in his hands at the end of the games, as Bosh has not exactly shown in the past that firstly he can handle the rock, and secondly that he can make it. We have a different player this year, and although the Raptors claim it was the play they wanted, it was not the play I wanted, and that is not 20/20 hindsight.