point observed and taken.

I’m pretty sure Calderon will be a positive (probably 2nd positive after Bosh) player when it is all said and done. The point of my post was to indicate that Bargnani has been good thus far, and we should look elsewhere for the weakness.

When the opponents are preventing drives and open looks, Bosh can still create and usually gets either a basket or a foul. Bargnani can’t do that. He’s not comfortable simply isolating his defender, because he doesn’t create well enough off the dribble and doesn’t get good enough position in the post for a good pass, which brings up another issue with Bargnani which I’ve noticed recently. He doesn’t have great hands. He bobbles a lot of passes and it might be why he doesn’t get many rebounds.

Franchise players are the guys that you lean on when things aren’t going well. That’s their job and Bosh has been up to the task this year more than he ever has. And you’re criticizing him for it.

And last time I checked, the offense was more than fine, so I don’t know why you want it to change.

and as far as the double teaming goes, why wouldnt teams do that? he is our best post scorer, an adequate passer, but ill take my chances of him passing out of a double team to burn me.

however, bosh is much better finishing off offensive posessions then he is at being involved in them mid shot clock, which i think is more of bargnani’s strength simply because i think he’s more versitile and offers more of a threat at that point in the clock.

ideally i would like to see the high pick and rolls they run with bargnani instead of bosh and let him pop for shots or make the pass after a drive to bosh or pull up for the jumpshot. i think bosh, when he’s decisive, which hes been much better at this year then the previous few, should be getting the ball in the low post after a couple passes so that he’s one on one and will score at will.

they both offer different skill sets, its just a matter of fitting them together properly. bosh is definitely the most consistent of the two, but i think bargnani is the most dynamic scorer and arguably the most clutch player on the team. i only say that because i’ve seen bosh fumble passes and get intimidated too many times against kg and the other elite post players when the game is on the line with the exception of maybe howard. but even then he gets pushed out of the post and settles for fade away jumpers from 18 feet.

both players have their faults, all i’m saying is lets not get to high on bosh because i think a good portion of his sucess so far has a little something to do with the fact that bargnani is spreading the d and forcing them to guard him at 25 feet. bosh is a great player when he plays within himself. however he wont carry a team to 50 wins by himself like a d-wade, lebron, kobe or even melo.

He struggles to create for himself but leads the league in FT attempts and there is a second defender being sent at him EVERY time he holds the ball and faces up!

He did a good job of finding open shooters when they doubled him last night.

I’ll take my chances with his decisions at this point in time.

As a team that right now thrives on offensive production there is no other player on the Raptor roster that commands a double team, and that includes Bargnani.

We won’t even get into any rebounding debate, where you can get easy secound chances on the off. boards, as there is no need for discussion there.

But to say he’s EVER been horrible is a bit over the top.

I disagree that Bosh struggles to create for himself. Maybe in 1-on-1 20 feet from the basket while he’s facing up, but from 15 ft in he can do whatever he wants, from shooting the J to posting up to taking his man off the dribble.

To your point, the problem is then the coaching rather than Bosh himself. Calling Bosh a selfish player is absolutely ludicrous, he’ll do whatever it takes to win and I think he’s shown that. In the past few years, that’s meant he needs to be the primary option on offense. We can see him drifting away from that now, like he did in the Olympics where he was integral to the gold.

Bargnani is the X factor, I completely agree. But Bosh brings it EVERY NIGHT. When Bargs is on, it means we have 2 very good-excellent players. When he’s not, it’s down to 1 and makes winning very difficult.

I played ball my whole life and that has nothing to do with anything being discussed. Bosh FG% is very good, thus that PROVES he doesn’t force shots like you insist. Not saying Bargs is a bad player, but he’s a CLEAR #2 on this team and the fans need to recognize that, or suffer when he’s promoted to #1 next year. That will be a real wake-up to many people around here, and I’m afraid it’ll happen because Bosh is tired of dealing with unfair criticism.

i think we can agree that bargnani is a dynamic scorer from the 5, something thats hard to come by, so we should be starting a guy at the 3 that makes up for his lack of rebounding. ideally maybe a player like anthony randolph from the warriors, not that its hedo’s fault but i think hes just the odd man out in this equation if we want to be a legit contending team