04 Nov 2009

The Pistons are tired and shorthanded

The Pistons are in the same tier as the Raptors and are one of the teams that will try to make a playoff push at our expense. How do I know? Their blogger predicts 44 wins. They’re nothing like the feared teams of the mid-2000’s when Chauncey Billups, Rasheed Wallace and a fierce Ben Wallace made you regret even coming to the building. They’re replaced the old guard with Charlie Villanueva, Ben Gordon, Chris Wilcox and Kwame Brown, which is like replacing a sturdy reliable John Deere tractor with a shiny plastic lawnmower.

Investing 10 years and $85 million in Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva was a questionable move at best, and made me wonder if they’ll actually make a run at Chris Bosh since they’ve already got Villanueva locked up. They’ve got $40M tied up for next year which means they’d have to sign-and-trade for him which would mean they’d feed us good ‘ol Charlie V. Imagine that! I’m getting ahead of myself, let’s look at this contest a little closer.

Blogger’s Take

Let’s see what TrueHoop blogger, Piston Powered thinks:

How have Ben Gordon and CV looked so far?

Ben Gordon has been very good so far for Detroit. A knock on him has been games where he just can’t shoot, yet continues to do so anyway. That hasn’t happened yet, though. He’s scored at least 22 points every game this season. Villanueva, on the other hand, has just seemed off. He’s hit just 13-of-38 shots this season and struggled with foul trouble in a couple games. He missed most of the preseason because of an injury, so hopefully he just needs a few games to hit his stride.

Team Weaknesses – what would a scout say?

The Pistons don’t have anyone who can score in the low post (assuming Jason Maxiell is still out of the rotation). Ben Wallace and Kwame Brown are defense-first guys. And Charlie Villanueva is more of a slasher and perimeter shooter.

What’s your bread-and-butter set?

The Pistons are at their best when Rodney Stuckey is penetrating and making good decisions with the basketball. That opens up jumpers for Gordon and Rip Hamilton, space for Charlie Villanueva to drive and drop-offs for Ben Wallace dunks.

Injuries

Rip Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince are out for the game. Prince’s iron man streak was broken in last night’s win against Orlando (Howard left the game early) after he came up with a back issue. Hamilton has a sprained ankle. Two of their main players are missing and on paper this should be a gettable W, but that’s what we said about Orlando. In addition to that, Ben Gordon and Rodney Stuckey played 43 and 41 minutes in that game which should help the Raptors.

For the Raptors, Sonny Weems and Reggie Evans are out. Antoine Wright practiced on Tuesday after missing Monday’s practice due to a tweaked ankle. He’s expected to play. Let’s check the five positions.

Matchups

The Point: Stuckey’s explosiveness versus Calderon’s…umm…craftiness?. Key is to go under and back around the screen to make sure you only give Stuckey the perimeter jumper and are in position to get in front of him if he decides to turn on the screen. Test his legs, he’s tired. My mind tells me Jack should be given Stuckey duties, his strength will do better to offset the Piston. Will Bynum had 20 in last night’s game and already showed last year that he’s a very capable backup, watch for him too.

The Skill: Even though DeRozan starts, Jack could be asked to cover Gordon who matches him in height at 6′ 3″ and also in center of gravity. Somebody tell Gordon that he already got the big contract and shouldn’t try so hard, he’s averaging in. 24+ for the 2-2 Pistons while shooting 49%. This is the matchup we envisioned when thinking of Jack on the defensive end, let’s test it out. This also could be a chance to see if DeRozan can put his height advantage to any use; many feel he’s been underutilized and this is a chance to have him get his against a weak defender.

The Swingman: With Tayshaun Prince out, they gave the start to Jonas Jerebko. I have no idea who he is except that he went 0-5 last night so I reckon we don’t have to worry too much about him. Hedo Turkoglu should have the green light to do whatever he wants since Prince is Detroit’s only true defensive wing. I can see the Pistons’ switching Charlie V on Hedo and having Gonzaga rookie Austin Daye check Bargnani, he impressed in summer league.

The Big: This isn’t the Ben Wallace of old, this version of Ben Wallace moves about as well as a fridge but is still managing to average 10 rebounds. Bargnani must do to him what he did to Shaq, except the Piston’s have other more agile big men in Wilcox, Maxiell and Kwame to counter what Bargnani has to throw at them. Detroit has always had a good big man core which generates positive rebounding differential but this year is a little different, actually it’s a lot different. They’re a league worst -6.7 in that department. We’ll still need Bargnani to hit the glass because Bosh alone can’t handle Maxiell and Wallace, even though the former suffered through a DNP-CD and is very close the doghouse. The Raps should inquire. Perhaps this could be a game where ex-Piston Amir Johnson shows us a reason to have faith in him.

The Strong: Villanueva averaged 16.2/6.7 last year and we all make fun of him for not playing defense and everybody has a good laugh. When somebody dares to make fun of Bargnani’s defense people get their panties in a knot. Somebody explain. Bosh is in for a tougher night as Wallace, Maxiell and a motivated Charlie V – who beats Bosh for quickness – have the tools to give him fits. Bosh is second in the league in rebounding with 14.7 (Howard 16.0) and is averaging 4+ offensive rebounds a game. We’ll need that.

Keys and Predictions

There’s nothing to worry about here, Visser’s sim says we blew the crap out of them.

The keys to winning this game is to not let their guards go off on you like Orlando’s did and to not concede offensive rebounds. You have to like the Raptors at home against a short-handed team playing a back-to-back. If we lose this it will be the worst loss of the season. After this is it’s away to New Orleans, Dallas and San Antonio, so this is the easiest game until we play the Clippers at home on the 13th.

Some boring practice scrums. Bosh on why he’s getting more offensive rebounds and what he thinks of where the team is.

I think we’re close as a team, I think we’re doing pretty good given the time we’ve had together.

I’m happy with getting offensive rebounds. I’m more inside in the offense, I’m in the right position. You have to get position early and be strong with guys. You have to be inside first and that’s a lot tougher. The point of emphasis for me was to roll to the basket more…be a more traditional big.

Triano on where the team is and whether he’s satisfied with what he’s seen so far.

I see signs where we share the ball real well and cover for each other. Then I see signs where we look like we don’t know each other. I think it’s going to be like that for a little bit and I think for the most part I’m pleased with where we are. Do I want it to get better? Absolutely, will it get better? Yes.

That all comes with him getting to understand and know his teammates a little better. It also comes with us understanding when and where to put him in situations, especially at the end of the game. I thought we scored the ball well [against Orlando] but we should probably have the ball in his hands more.

Amir Johnson was asked who helped him the most in Detroit.

Sheed was one of the guys, McDyess, Lindsay Hunter, Ben Wallace when he was there. There was a bunch of guys, a bunch of old vets. Dale Davis, Kelvin Cato, man. There were a bunch of guys who really helped my game. Really brought me a toughness, it was a battle every practice.

I’m sure all the guys he mentioned are cringing at his early season numbers.

Check the live chat and stream at 7PM. There’s also going to be a live blog for those who can’t watch the game but want meaningful updates.

64 Raps

  1. Truth says:

    We are the favourites to win this game in Vegas. I can’t see the pistons beating us unless they score 100+ and I don’t think they will (cuz they had a game yesterday)

    • John says:

      They beat the magic tonight….just saying. All this “we better not lose this one” has a bad odour to it. We should be the last team taking someone lightly.

      • @RapsFan says:

        The Pistons will be tough, but they played last night, and should be somewhat tired. We need to attack them, and have Bargs/Bosh hit their forwards hard.

  2. JYFelony says:

    Okay, this is a bit off topic, but did anyone else see that Ryan Anderson was 1-11 from 3 pt range last night vs. Detroit? We could have definitely used that on Sunday.

    • TAllin says:

      Weird how that happens when someone guards him eh?

      • JYFelony says:

        Okay pal, if you have the balls to take ELEVEN three’s in a game you’re one of three things: a) on the Phoenix Suns/New York Knicks b) Playing at the YMCA and think you’re really good or c) Really open and having an off night. Since Anderson plays for the Magic and I don’t believe it was hosted at the YMCA, I’m gonna go ahead and say he was open and had an off night. You can’t blame all of his success on our failures to defend him.

        • Marz says:

          Precisely. In fact, int he post-game interview SVG stated that he predicted “this” would happen. “This” being that Orlando would not be able to sustain shooting 50% from the field and 50% from the 3pt line for much longer. And it happened against Detroit.

          Whether it was good defense (unlikely since prince AND hamilton were out) or just because it was time for the law of averages to enforce its wrath doesn’t matter. We don’t know as Raptors fans because I bet none of us watched the game.

          • Sean says:

            I watched the game and Detroit defended as if they thought they were good defenders even without Prince and Rip in attendance. Dwight did nothing and neither did Vince, not to mention that guy from Duke or Nelson.

            More and more I’m starting to think that defense is less about the ability of the individuals, and more an organizational mindset.

            • wesmantooth says:

              i watched the game as well, and andesens brick laying didnt go unnoticed with me either. it wasnt D that was making him miss the guy was just off. and so was everyone else except for barnes.
              i dont think our D was as atrocious as people are saying. i agree that it was bad, but i took a second look at the game and alot of the shots they hit on us were contested, they were just a really hot team. we’ve beaten teams the same way before. where we just dont miss. thats what svg is saying. not to mention that if howard shot his avg from the free throw line we couldve won the game. 14-16??

        • TAllin says:

          One last time – you didn’t watch the game. I can’t think of one good reason to argue any of your above noted assumptions.

        • @ARSENAList says:

          You’re assuming that he was open on every shot. The percentages of a shot going in when there’s a contest are a lot lower, it could easily be that he was open but there was a hard close-out happening and he launched it knowing he had little time. If anyone’s played basketball at any level they know what I’m talking about.

          As for this quote:

          > You can’t blame all of his success on our failures to defend him.

          I’d say 90% of the time you can. The other 10% is just running into a really hot hand.

          • JYFelony says:

            Okay, well would you classify his game vs. us on Sunday as him having a hot hand – 7-14 (5-8 from 3pt) or just poor defense? Honest question.

            No I didn’t watch the game vs. Detroit, but I find it hard to believe that they locked him up all game and he had to force eleven threes. The Magic clearly don’t look to him to carry the team offensively, so I have to assume (yes ASSUME) that these were pretty open shots, similar to what he had on Sunday.

            • @ARSENAList says:

              I asked the Pistons blogger guy who watched the game about his threes and he said:

              “A lot of them were open, but he also forced a few. Probably more open than forced.”

              So I guess you’re right, he’s a streaky shooter but that doesn’t absolve our defense.

  3. Bob says:

    The raps shouldn’t be taking ANYONE lightly. I hope they go out there playing hard right from tip-off. If we play hard and smart, we should win this game as RIP and Prince are out. That leaves them a bit exposed on the wings and up front.

    LETS GO RAPS!

    • Anthony says:

      This is exactly why you have to look at Sunday’s game vs. Orlando with a grain of salt. Took more 3 pointers vs. Detroit (35 vs. 32) and hit 7 less. I’m sure they were just as open, but did not fall… Add to that Dwight Howard back to fouling and no 14-16 from the line.

      This is the NBA and there are ups and downs and yesterday everything Orlando did right vs. Toronto, didn’t work vs. Detroit…. And as per the article, this is not the bad boys with Billips, Rasheed Wallace and they were missing Prince and Hamilton….

      Let’s wait ’til after tonight’s game to bury the Raptors (ha ha ha)….

      • TAllin says:

        I love your assumption here.

        “I’m sure they were just as open but didn’t fall”. Obviously you didn’t watch the game. This couldn’t be more further from the truth.

        Perhaps take a look at the real reason.

        The Magic guards embarrassed Toronto’s guards (Calderon couldn’t keep anyone in front of him).

        The Pistons guards embarrassed the Magic’s guards (Bynum, Stuck & Gordon went off for 65 on Jameer, etc.)

        I can’t wait to see the guard matchup tonight – should be funny.

        Keep on assuming though and blaming it on the ‘ups and downs’ of the NBA.

        • Anthony says:

          Did you watch the game? I watched the end and the Magic were open on their 3 point attempts. 80-90% of 3-pointers are open looks, not with hands in their face or contested. You take contested 3-pointers, unless late in the game down or to tie the game, you are riding the pine….

          Did Detroit do a better job on defense then Toronto? Yes…. But that always is deceiving when a team has an off night shooting…..

          Quit making comments that are baseless and without merit. They fell vs. Toronto, and did not vs. Detroit…. That is the difference between winning and losing.

          • TAllin says:

            Sure, you could argue the ‘hot hand theory’ is part of the difference.

            I’m glad you caught the last 2 minutes of the game on court surfing and watched the reeling Magic bomb threes in attempts and catch up. Very good sample of the game to watched to come up with your detailed analysis.

            However, I also argued, with merit, that the difference was the point guard play (after watching both games).

            Redick andd Nelson torched the Raps for 60 points and 10 dimes. Calderon and DeRo put up 20 & 5 (combined).

            Redick and Nelson put up 20 and 7 against the Pistons. Gordon and Stuck combined for 45 and 6 (let alone Bynum who put up 20 off the bench).

            It has been mentioned 100 times on this site that the Raptors can’t defend the pick n’ roll and routinely get beat off the dribble (which leads to the defence collapsing and leaving perimeter players wide open for easy makes on the kick-out).

            Jamer and Redick got shut down by the more athletic Piston guards.

            You HONESTLY think there is no correlation here?

            Really? Just shots?

            Come’on. That’s embarrassing analysis.

            Keep on blaming the law of averages and I’ll join you in celebration next year when the Raptors hang their 16th participation banner from the ACC Rafters.

            • Anthony says:

              Because they did not hit their shots….. Plain and simple…. So tired of this negativity…. Every shot went down for the Magic Sunday, pretty simple. The 3-pointers were open shots Sunday and yesterday, because that is when you take them, otherwise you are on the bench.

              Was Detroit’s interior defense better? Did they defend the drive better? Yes….. 45 points better? No way…. It was all about the fact Orlando shot it much better…. But go ahead hate the raps…. That is obviously what you guys are good at….

              • TAllin says:

                ahh to be so naive.

              • FLUXLAND says:

                I love how when we lose fans are like: Oh well, they just got lucky and the Raptors where unlucky. Yet when we win there’s no luck involved (cavs game) – we were just a well oiled machine headed for the championships.

                Bottom line.. defense and rebounds wins rings. Until those two things are part of this organizations overall strategy, we will keep praying for the right to get humiliated by the no1 seed.

                BC can recreate the PHX model all he wants but anyone with half a brain will realize that model has brought ZERO success to PHX. The proof is all the there in the records.

          • Elan says:

            I have to agree with TAllin…Their perimeter defense was a cut above what the Raptors showed on Sunday. Keep in mind without Dwight down low it allowed the defense to focus more on the perimeter then down low. The Raptors didn’t have that luxury Sunday. if the Raptors don’t clean up the spotty perimeter D we are headed no where FAST !!!

            Off topic…great Charles Oakley interview today in the star

            http://www.thestar.com/sports/nba/raptors/article/720778–feschuk-the-oakley-show-rolls-back-into-town

            Oak brings up some great points:

            “You can’t build a team with five scorers on the floor,” said Oakley. “Put two on the bench and put two role players out there with ‘em. Somebody’s got to stop somebody.”

            He is not sold on Raptors all-star Chris Bosh – “They’re going to pay him $20 million to shoot jump shots?” – or on starting centre Andrea Bargnani. “You ain’t going nowhere with 7-footers shooting three-pointers.”

            Thoughts?

            • Bob says:

              I don’t agree with Oaks comment on Bosh 100%. Bosh is a great PF, shoots a good percentage, and gets on the boards.

              On the other hand, he might be correct about Bargnani. If your 7 footer who shoots 3’s can’t get more than 5 rebounds a game…it’s a problem.

              But Oaks is old fashioned too so I take his comments with a grain of salt.

  4. Aidan007 says:

    We are supposed to blow out the Pistons? That’s laughable considering the only thing we are consistent at is having a 3rd quarter collapse.

    As for Ryan Anderson, I’d be curious to see how many players have had career nights against the raptors. Could this be a possible future post?

    • Sean says:

      The Pistons have been pretty bad in the 3rd Q themselves. It should be interesting tonight. From watching them last night, they have no post presence, but Bynum is a demon at getting into the paint. Could be a long night for Jose.

    • Bill says:

      funny that you mention ryan anderson and career highs… i remember he made an earlier one, not so surprisingly against us, while he was still with the nets last year…

    • smushmush says:

      I see us losing to Detroit tonight. They beat Orlando last night and did not let guys like Anderson or JJ Redick to have career higs against them(unlike the Raptors). That Prince and Rip are not playing does not mean the Detroit Pistons will not be able to play defense. Defense is more about mindset and wilingness(like the Rap of the day said) which the Raptors team don’t have as attributes. Be ready for a surprise, Raptor fans but I do long for them to win this game, the New Orleans one(Okafor and CP3 not gelling), the San Antonio one(Tim Duncan having few minutes per night, due to retire anytime from now and R.J. is a weak defender at his position) and the Clippers(no reason here except if the Raps give Baron Davis his career high like they gave JJ Redick). We are going to lose to Dallas. Those guys are on a roll, few days ago they beat the Lakers at Staples Center. Marin is having a nice fit with the offense and Dirk is having a career year(should be in the MVP talk).

  5. cesco says:

    They shouldn’t have to double team anyone I hope so there should better defense , no more excuses even though it is only the 4th game of the season ,the ‘need time to gel’ excuse is not acceptable. The problem is that the players may be a little bit nervous to start the game . Let Andrea dunk one right of the bat that should settle them.

  6. d279 says:

    If I remember correctly wasn’t Orlando missing three guns..dont take the Pistons lightly….CV always kicks our ass…BG will have Jose for lunch…JT better be putting JJ on him real quick…but I know we like to come back from being down 20.sorry but they better show me something positive tonight,nothing less then a W.

  7. Stephan says:

    I cannot wait to see the one eyed Will Bynum blow-by Calderon countless times for a career high in points tonight.

  8. Thunder says:

    Will Bynum was a monster last night.. lets hope he’s tired.

  9. Buddahfan says:

    Rumors are that Prince and Maxiell were held out of the game vs the Magic because of a pending trade which Dumars of course promptly denied.

    The Pistons of course are a guard orientated team on offense with their guards putting up anywhere between 60 and 75% of their points nightly

    No word on whether Hamilton will return tonight.

  10. verbatim says:

    Turk needs a big game against this team. I think Bargnani and Bosh will struggle against the likes if Charlie V and Maxiell.

    My prediction: Raps win. 100-91. Turk has 28 points, 9 assists. Bosh has 17 rebounds, but only 8 points. Calderon finds his 3 point range and has a nice 18 point game.

    Yes, this prediction came out of an orifice.

    I also wonder if we will see Ben Gordon and Belinelli play each other at some point matching shot for shot.

    • @RapsFan says:

      uhhh…8pts for Bosh after he’s been lighting it up for the first 3 games? uhm…lol…come on man!

      • verbatim says:

        like I said, it came out of an orifice. But, I think that he will struggle, and Bargnani will struggle, but Hedo will step up and our guard-play will step up.

        I think Bosh has gotten to a point that if he is struggling to score, he will bang the boards. Maybe Bosh will get 15 pts, but I don’t see him going off tonight against Detroit’s quick and big front line.

  11. Hoops Addict says:

    Ben Wallace only snags three boards while Bargs get 12? HA!

    • Hoops Addict says:

      That comment was about the game sim you posted the JPG for. sorry for being vague.

      • siggian says:

        Yeah, the sims have been completely off. It’s almost as if they put random numbers against names.

        I like how Weems gets 2 minutes of play. That would be kind of neat to see: him running down the court in dress shoes and stuffing a dunk in a suit.

    • @RapsFan says:

      lol gotta love gamers man

    • smushmush says:

      Bargs did actually get 12 rebounds in the game tonight. hat happened to Bargs tonight? Wants to put a show for the Great Oak because the guy criticized him?

  12. mobchester says:

    man u gotta love Oak

    You ain’t going nowhere with 7-footers shooting three-pointers. You can’t put four or five scorers on the floor at one time. You can, but you ain’t going nowhere. You got four or five scorers on the floor, ain’t enough shots in a game, in a quarter, for everybody to be consistent. You need your two scorers, outside threat and a post-up threat. You need your sixth man who can score. You need another guy that can just be an all-around energy guy, and you need another guy who can just, you know, play basketball.”

    He is not sold on Raptors all-star Chris Bosh – “They’re going to pay him $20 million to shoot jump shots?” – or on starting centre Andrea Bargnani. “You ain’t going nowhere with 7-footers shooting three-pointers

    • Bendit says:

      Imagine Oak as a gm…lol.

      Wonder what he would have done the night Kobe went off for the 81. That was when the franchise (was stamped) and needed a massive transplant…because no one on the floor did anything about it. Insulting doesnt begin to describe the feeling.

      • smushmush says:

        Oak will actually be a good gm. What he said about this team in the interview were mostly accurate.

    • smushmush says:

      Anybody watched tonight’s game. Derozan plays more minutes and has 3 points and 3 boards while Wright with 2 minutes less tan Derozan’s has 12 points and 2 boards. Who’s more effective and efficient? Start Wright now, Triano.

  13. Thunder says:

    lets hope for an emotional and energy hang over after yesterday’s big win.. why can’t we get D-12 in to foul trouble?

  14. FAQ says:

    If Stuckey, Gordon and Bynum each score 20+ points as they did in their last game, and have a strong defense, the Raptors will struggle.

    I mean they beat Orlando 85-80 … and their guards scored 63 of those points!!! Orlando crapped out with Howard only playing some 16 minutes and Vince and JJ only scoring in the teens … what happened”"!!!!

    To stop the Pistons, the Raptors will have to stop that trio of guards, or at least limit them.

    It will be interesting to see if the Raptor big men can outscore the Piston’s microwave hot guards and also defend somehow …!!!!

    • verbatim says:

      Belinelli and Gordon go shot for shot? Think we will see this happen?

    • siggian says:

      I fully expect the Raptors to win this game, mainly because the Raptors are playing an opponent that is coming off an emotional victory and playing the night before.

      I suspect that only one of the Detroit guards will get 20+ points.

  15. Ragu says:

    “Villanueva averaged 16.2/6.7 last year and we all make fun of him for not playing defense and everybody has a good laugh. When somebody dares to make fun of Bargnani’s defense people get their panties in a knot. Somebody explain”

    Well said. Hopefully, tonight Bargs will show a glimpse of greatness that will leave us all in disbelief and will make us all find something positive about the team again.

  16. OCEAN says:

    I totally agree with oakley’s statement. Too many cooks ruins the pot. How can you have all five guys wanting the scoring position. Team defense is important, but it starts with guarding your own man. Man up!! The point guard at the top, and the center protecting the key. Our two weakest defensive positions. Hmm. I liked calderon better as a unknown coming off the bench for 25 mins a game.

  17. OCEAN says:

    how can Belinelli go shot for shot from the bench?? gordon goes for 30, stuckey gets 20. gl Calderon.

  18. Tim W. says:

    Without Prince, does Detroit have ANYONE that can play Turkoglu? I’ll give you a clue. Last night they started Jonas Jerebko.

  19. Bendit says:

    “plastic shiny lawnmower”….oh lordy! Hope no one on the Ps reads this blog. Did you have to downgrade to lawnmower from a tractor? Plastic was bad enuff.

  20. brothersteve says:

    I’m not sure why any Raptors fan would laugh at the thought of CV?
    Aside from CV being a great representative for the teams he has played for. He seems to beat up on the Raptors whenever he comes to the ACC.
    Hopefully tonight he does something to earn himself a seat on the bench early and never gets it going.

One Trackback

  1. [...] Check out Raptors Republic’s preview. [...]

Post a Rap
*
*
Short URL