Comments on: A Mistake NOT to Start DeRozan http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/10/27/a-mistake-not-to-start-derozan/ The Penultimate Toronto Raptors Blog Sat, 13 Mar 2010 21:22:16 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: grizzLee-416 http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/10/27/a-mistake-not-to-start-derozan/#comment-43723 grizzLee-416 Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:11:20 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=11788#comment-43723 agreed agreed

]]> By: _cp_ http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/10/27/a-mistake-not-to-start-derozan/#comment-43312 _cp_ Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:05:57 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=11788#comment-43312 i think what everybody is overlooking is that the sg position, regardless of who starts, is still going to be the fifth option on the floor amongst the starters. thats the perfect fit for DD, all he has to do is play solid d, run the floor, dunk the ball and hit a couple open jumpers. if we needed any one of the sg's on our roster to step up and become our first option we would be in trouble. we're in a pretty good postion with all of the guys we have, if DD is getting torched then bring in wright. if marco or weems are having a good game ride it. the kid is going to be a starter, you drafted him to be a starter, play him as a starter even if its for 20 minutes a game. if he earns more time give it to him, otherwise let him play against the players he's supposed to become. if we were going to bury him on the bench we might as well of traded the pick for some vets to do that to. i think what everybody is overlooking is that the sg position, regardless of who starts, is still going to be the fifth option on the floor amongst the starters.

thats the perfect fit for DD, all he has to do is play solid d, run the floor, dunk the ball and hit a couple open jumpers. if we needed any one of the sg’s on our roster to step up and become our first option we would be in trouble.

we’re in a pretty good postion with all of the guys we have, if DD is getting torched then bring in wright. if marco or weems are having a good game ride it. the kid is going to be a starter, you drafted him to be a starter, play him as a starter even if its for 20 minutes a game. if he earns more time give it to him, otherwise let him play against the players he’s supposed to become.

if we were going to bury him on the bench we might as well of traded the pick for some vets to do that to.

]]> By: _cp_ http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/10/27/a-mistake-not-to-start-derozan/#comment-43308 _cp_ Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:57:26 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=11788#comment-43308 yeah that clearly backfired, with bargnani being our best offensive player now. terrible idea yeah that clearly backfired, with bargnani being our best offensive player now. terrible idea

]]> By: _cp_ http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/10/27/a-mistake-not-to-start-derozan/#comment-43306 _cp_ Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:55:30 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=11788#comment-43306 was batum the best sf on the trail blazers last year? was jones the best sg on the nuggets last year? you start the player that best fits with the other four and with what the coach is trying to accomplish. was batum the best sf on the trail blazers last year? was jones the best sg on the nuggets last year? you start the player that best fits with the other four and with what the coach is trying to accomplish.

]]> By: _cp_ http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/10/27/a-mistake-not-to-start-derozan/#comment-43305 _cp_ Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:52:21 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=11788#comment-43305 the wing and guards "dropped" into the house area because they were chasing the guy that just beat them off the dribble. we were one of the poorest perimeter defending teams in the league, it was laughable. nothing is going to change until we quit getting beat to the middle. that is what teams are killing us on. the wing and guards “dropped” into the house area because they were chasing the guy that just beat them off the dribble.

we were one of the poorest perimeter defending teams in the league, it was laughable. nothing is going to change until we quit getting beat to the middle. that is what teams are killing us on.

]]> By: _cp_ http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/10/27/a-mistake-not-to-start-derozan/#comment-43302 _cp_ Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:43:07 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=11788#comment-43302 i hardly think a 34/35 year old ray allen should worry derozan, if his 19 year old legs and quicks can't stay with ray we have bigger problems on our hands. calderon playing pylon on the perimeter is the start of all of our defensive short comings. it forces our d to have to collapse opening up the drive and kicks for threes and further penetration, and exposes our bigs leaving them to pick up bad fouls and eliminate what little back side help we should have on a normal rotation. he really has to learn better defensive angles and how to play within his ability instead of chasing guys after their first cross over. i hardly think a 34/35 year old ray allen should worry derozan, if his 19 year old legs and quicks can’t stay with ray we have bigger problems on our hands.

calderon playing pylon on the perimeter is the start of all of our defensive short comings. it forces our d to have to collapse opening up the drive and kicks for threes and further penetration, and exposes our bigs leaving them to pick up bad fouls and eliminate what little back side help we should have on a normal rotation. he really has to learn better defensive angles and how to play within his ability instead of chasing guys after their first cross over.

]]> By: Raptoronto http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/10/27/a-mistake-not-to-start-derozan/#comment-43239 Raptoronto Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:59:16 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=11788#comment-43239 Injured Injured

]]> By: LukeCage22 http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/10/27/a-mistake-not-to-start-derozan/#comment-43236 LukeCage22 Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:35:29 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=11788#comment-43236 Too bad Weems is going to be in a suit on opening night. How are they benching him in favour of Banks... Too bad Weems is going to be in a suit on opening night. How are they benching him in favour of Banks…

]]> By: FAQ http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/10/27/a-mistake-not-to-start-derozan/#comment-43208 FAQ Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:54:17 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=11788#comment-43208 Congratulate me.. I got the Cavs starting lineup for today's game against the Celtics ... with Parker as starting SG .... See .. I got the mojo ..!!! When the Cavs show up tomorrow for the Raps home opener, they are gonna be one badass bunch of nasties ... and show no mercy for the Raps ... believe it. However, the Cav look to be a one-man team moreso now with LeBron carrying the scoring load while everybody else just stand there and watch him do his solo thing ... Now if the Raps had somebody to decently defend LeBron it might be a contest ... Pray that LeBron goes cold in T.O. tomorrow ....!!!!! Congratulate me.. I got the Cavs starting lineup for today’s game against the Celtics … with Parker as starting SG …. See .. I got the mojo ..!!!

When the Cavs show up tomorrow for the Raps home opener, they are gonna be one badass bunch of nasties … and show no mercy for the Raps … believe it.

However, the Cav look to be a one-man team moreso now with LeBron carrying the scoring load while everybody else just stand there and watch him do his solo thing … Now if the Raps had somebody to decently defend LeBron it might be a contest … Pray that LeBron goes cold in T.O. tomorrow ….!!!!!

]]> By: whalleywhat http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/10/27/a-mistake-not-to-start-derozan/#comment-43202 whalleywhat Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:01:34 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=11788#comment-43202 which makes him a rotation guy, not a starter. which makes him a rotation guy, not a starter.

]]> By: LC009 http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/10/27/a-mistake-not-to-start-derozan/#comment-43191 LC009 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:55:01 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=11788#comment-43191 Yes, but what I'm saying is that Wright is not a 36+ MPG guy. He just isn't THAT good (but I hope that I'm wrong). Also, some of his minutes will be at the 3. Since Wright can't check Kobe/Wade/etc for a full game, I think that DD is as good an option as any, on our current roster. Yes, but what I’m saying is that Wright is not a 36+ MPG guy. He just isn’t THAT good (but I hope that I’m wrong). Also, some of his minutes will be at the 3.

Since Wright can’t check Kobe/Wade/etc for a full game, I think that DD is as good an option as any, on our current roster.

]]> By: LC009 http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/10/27/a-mistake-not-to-start-derozan/#comment-43190 LC009 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:50:16 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=11788#comment-43190 @nadir: quite right. I wasn't actually accusing anyone, I just hope that we (myself included) would not resort to that excuse. We have many potential reasons for failure, but that one (IMO) would be an excuse. @cesco: fair point. I certainly could not run that far at the same pace I run 10km. Although, to be even more fair, anyone's top speed is a sprint. I don't think ANYONE can sprint 30km. But as you imply, I would expect the vast majority of our guys to be at 90% conditioning by tomorrow (at least), with the possible exception of Antoine Wright. He ACTUALLY has an excuse to be at... say 60-70%, depending on how active his summer was. @nadir: quite right. I wasn’t actually accusing anyone, I just hope that we (myself included) would not resort to that excuse. We have many potential reasons for failure, but that one (IMO) would be an excuse.

@cesco: fair point. I certainly could not run that far at the same pace I run 10km. Although, to be even more fair, anyone’s top speed is a sprint. I don’t think ANYONE can sprint 30km.

But as you imply, I would expect the vast majority of our guys to be at 90% conditioning by tomorrow (at least), with the possible exception of Antoine Wright. He ACTUALLY has an excuse to be at… say 60-70%, depending on how active his summer was.

]]> By: cesco http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/10/27/a-mistake-not-to-start-derozan/#comment-43189 cesco Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:39:36 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=11788#comment-43189 Did you ran the 30km at the top speed you are capable of ? ,probably not but the pros are required to play at top speed the entire game and hopefully they might be close to that by to-morrow night . Hopefully Shaq will be in the same boat and a few other Cleveland players also. Did you ran the 30km at the top speed you are capable of ? ,probably not but the pros are required to play at top speed the entire game and hopefully they might be close to that by to-morrow night . Hopefully Shaq will be in the same boat and a few other Cleveland players also.

]]> By: nadir http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/10/27/a-mistake-not-to-start-derozan/#comment-43187 nadir Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:29:32 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=11788#comment-43187 Well ya, you have to play D against LA and Miami just like any other team. If you don't stop them, guess what - you lose. Well ya, you have to play D against LA and Miami just like any other team. If you don’t stop them, guess what – you lose.

]]> By: nadir http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/10/27/a-mistake-not-to-start-derozan/#comment-43186 nadir Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:25:32 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=11788#comment-43186 Nobody is using that excuse - no games have been played yet. Nobody is using that excuse – no games have been played yet.

]]> By: yertu damkule http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/10/27/a-mistake-not-to-start-derozan/#comment-43185 yertu damkule Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:22:49 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=11788#comment-43185 hey now, don't lump me in with FAQ. i don't 'spew' negatively, i simply feel that there is a significant area of weakness on this team, and to ignore it just seems silly to me. i'll be first in line to admit i'm wrong, which i hope i am...but nothing that's happened so far leads me to feel overly positive about the raps' chances this year, so why pretend i feel differently? hey now, don’t lump me in with FAQ. i don’t ’spew’ negatively, i simply feel that there is a significant area of weakness on this team, and to ignore it just seems silly to me. i’ll be first in line to admit i’m wrong, which i hope i am…but nothing that’s happened so far leads me to feel overly positive about the raps’ chances this year, so why pretend i feel differently?

]]> By: LC009 http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/10/27/a-mistake-not-to-start-derozan/#comment-43183 LC009 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:43:28 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=11788#comment-43183 Interestingly enough (and as a side note), I just checked our rebounding stats for the preseason. Here they are: Our average RPG: 39.3 Opponents' RPG: 41.5 If you discount the first game against Boston (first game missing Evans... call it an "adjustment period"), then these are the numbers: Our average RPG: 40.3 Opponents' RPG: 41.1 Surprisingly, not that bad! Interestingly enough (and as a side note), I just checked our rebounding stats for the preseason. Here they are:

Our average RPG: 39.3
Opponents’ RPG: 41.5

If you discount the first game against Boston (first game missing Evans… call it an “adjustment period”), then these are the numbers:

Our average RPG: 40.3
Opponents’ RPG: 41.1

Surprisingly, not that bad!

]]> By: brothersteve http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/10/27/a-mistake-not-to-start-derozan/#comment-43182 brothersteve Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:41:24 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=11788#comment-43182 1) There are more than 3 teams in the league. 2) There are no pimps in basketball - that's just weird. 1) There are more than 3 teams in the league.
2) There are no pimps in basketball – that’s just weird.

]]> By: brothersteve http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/10/27/a-mistake-not-to-start-derozan/#comment-43181 brothersteve Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:38:08 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=11788#comment-43181 DeRozan to start is the right move. Build the kids confidence and skills by making him a starter. This isn't the NHL with minor leagues to send the kid down to for a few seasons, in the NBA you learn on the job - or you fail on the job! This kid looks like he is going to be a player. DeRozan to start is the right move.
Build the kids confidence and skills by making him a starter.

This isn’t the NHL with minor leagues to send the kid down to for a few seasons, in the NBA you learn on the job – or you fail on the job!

This kid looks like he is going to be a player.

]]> By: Raps Fan http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/10/27/a-mistake-not-to-start-derozan/#comment-43180 Raps Fan Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:28:53 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=11788#comment-43180 Bosh is much tougher inside then Bargnanih he grabs almost double the rebounds. Bosh is much tougher inside then Bargnanih he grabs almost double the rebounds.

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