The $20 dollars was the best value of money you could ever spend on the Raptors. Myself, AltRaps and Wally were standing on the baseline the entire game and got a great view of the scrimmage. You can check out some pics and videos I took from my rather crappy camera. I’ll upload a couple videos later. The arena holds about a 1000 people and can best be defined by the word ‘intimate’. Yeah, I tried looking up better words to describe it but couldn’t. The scrimmage is more a show for the fans than an event from which hard and fast conclusions can be drawn, nonetheless, it does give an idea of the level of intensity, competitiveness and general flow of training camp thus far. You could also figure out how certain players are approaching the pre-season and what their level of involvement might be this year.
Antoine Wright said it was the most intense training camp he’s been to and he might not be exaggerating. There was no sign of anyone taking it easy in this game and everybody was trying to make their mark. Patrick O’Bryant even got into a debate with the ref after a foul against Bargnani to which the ref appeared to respond: Listen man, just tell me what you want me to call next time and I’ll do it but god damn man, it’s a scrimmage, take it easy! Calderon, DeRozan, Bargnani and Wright were on one team (coached by Iavaroni) while Jack, Belinelli, Rasho and Evans were on the other (coached by English). Jack’s team won 47-32 and he himself was the best player on the court today. He was the most vocal of anyone and was barking out some pretty complex sounding plays all game long.
He broke Calderon down off the bounce using the general shake ‘n bake menu and had Jose running around screens for most of the game. Wally thinks that Jack’s determined to take Calderon’s job and even though he’s not going to outright say it, you can see it in his play. Jack got to the paint and kicked out against a defense that looked programmed to stop any dribble penetration right at the top of the FT line. He showed good court vision in transition and was easily the Raptors’ best ball handler on the afternoon, he even showed some flair with two very nice behind-the-back passes that weren’t out of place but served to gain some advantage. Later Triano talked about him being vocal:
He’s been that vocal his whole life. He’s always talking, it’s good to have. Before we made the trade I used to coach against him and he’s giving calls out and he does not stop. It’s all basketball talk, it’s not fake or street talk. He’s communicating with his teammates and that is something we lacked last year.
When I saw Reggie Evans I thought he was 9 feet tall and weight 400 pounds. This guy is easily the strongest and most built Raptor and he plays like it. Evans is a one-dimensional player but he’s really good at that one sole dimension. You could critique his man-defense, FT shooting and jumper all night long but the man will bring us some real physical presence in the paint. He was tearing down rebounds, dipping his shoulder, boxing-out hard and hustling every trip down the floor. He finished strong around the basket, cleared space with his frame and didn’t allow anyone to get a rebound over him the time he was in there. His effort and intensity were at 100%. Later he said:
When fans come to the game, they at least want to see hard work. No matter if you win or lose, they want to see somebody going real hard because they’re working hard to earn a living just so they can come to our games. You never want to disrespect the basketball court. You want to come out here first-class, practise, shootaround, no matter what. You want to come out and play hard every time you step on the court.’
I don’t care if he’s building a house of bricks out there, fans will love him, especially in Toronto which is a city which rewards the Tie Domi-type.
If we talk about Reggie, we got to talk about Amir Johnson and he was very unimpressive. I was surprised by how reluctant he was to test his outside jumper and how weakly he tried to finish around the basket. He got rejected by the rim once and pinned by Bargnani on a baseline drive. He looks like the athletic-type but in this game he reminded Wally of one Jerome Moiso – there’s some talent there but can we ever find a way to get it out? Again, it’s probably a write-off game but of all the big men he looked the weakest. Even Patrick O’Bryant had a moment or two, the funniest one being Marcus Banks looking him off in transition even though he had a clear path to the rim.
The player we were most excited to see was DeMar DeRozan. I actually yelled his name during the game which resulted in this rather angry look from the man. The opinion amongst us three was split as to what kind of game he had. We all agreed that his handle was suspect and that he needs to keep the dribble alive under pressure. Both teams deployed a high-trap to force the ball-handler to pick up his dribble around the top of the three point line and whereas Jack, Douby and Calderon managed to beat the trap through dribbling, DeRozan struggled.
I don’t know if the guy’s coasting but he looks like he’s coasting. There’s something about his on-court demeanor that gives you the impression that he’s playing at 75%, Wally felt that this was on purpose because he wanted to pace himself, I felt Wally’s theory was utter shite. AltRaps continued his moaning of how DeRozan should’ve dominated summer league and sticks to the opinion that DeRozan ain’t what he’s cranked up to be. I felt his off-the-ball movement was good, nothing great but good, he doesn’t park himself on the perimeter and moves East-West whenever there’s space available. He can run the lanes if he’s already a little ahead in transition but there were chances today where a DeRozan sprint could’ve resulted in much better options for Calderon on the break.
His spot-up jumper is smooth and on its way to being a solid weapon, it’s the pull-up that needs more work. A few times today he was up against Belinelli and Weems who were D’ing him up pretty hard. DeRozan responded with space-clearing dribbles and a quick rise for the jumper. The shots were semi-contested and the results were usually bricks. We saw in summer league how the mid-range game was his main weapon, not so much against better defenders. The talent and ability was evident in some of his drives (the one to finish off the game was beautiful) but overall I felt he’s got some ways to go before he can adapt to the pace of the game. His finishing on the break and athleticism are not an issue but his feel of how to react to defenses was poorer than I had anticipated, even at this early stage. If you had to make a decision based on this game alone, I would not start him just because he doesn’t look ready. I’m sure things will change over the course of the next couple weeks, though.
Let’s keep going with the wings. Marco Belinelli was aggressive with his offense, he didn’t do anything spectacular like throw it down but looked for the drive against DeRozan and Weems on a consistent basis. He obviously knew that the team’s defensive philosophy is to provide quick help and countered it with solid passes back out to the perimeter. He showed us his spot-up game and made a couple mid-range jumpers where he found space after his check went under the screen. That’s something I was expecting Jose and DeRozan to do more of but it never happened. Belinelli’s wearing the number 0 because of the whole Gilbert Arenas reason (nobody believed in me blah blah blah) and today he played like he had something to prove. You can debate between Wright and DeRozan for the starting spot all you want but one thing’s for sure: Belinelli will have a say in that race simply because he’s going to give it his best shot.
Before the game the Raptors were throwing down some dunks for the crowds and Sonny Weems and Antoine Wright were the ones that stood out. Wright is a legit 6’7″ athlete, I have my reservations about whether he can guard high-caliber NBA wings but today did a lot to make me feel comfortable. He definitely has the tools and quickness to do the job, and from what Triano speak of him, he has the IQ to go with it. He started the game with some aggressive traps against Jack and some motivated defense against Belinelli, but after the first quarter he took it easy. Sonny Weems at a legit 6’6″ is another athlete who seems to have bought into Triano’s defensive principles, his defensive effort was there and I love the stance he adopts when he’s one-on-one at the top of the key. His NBA career spans a mere 12 games so nobody really knows what he brings technically, all I can say is that he played hard today.
My man Douby didn’t have a great showing. He looked for his offense too early in the clock and then missed jumpers that made his decision to take them look even worse. He was in the game as a point guard but ended up playing like a shot-hungry shooting guard. Jarrett Jack’s insistence on breaking down Jose left him a little winded and he didn’t have a great game. He took some very forced shots including a leaner on the baseline that was pure bush-league. It’s just not the same for him without Bosh in there to run the pick ‘n roll with because it forces him to find the seams through other ways like penetrating on his own, using Bargnani as the high screen only for it to be neutralized by Reggie Evans, and looking for cutters who are being guarded pretty tightly.
You could tell Calderon’s trying to shed the label of the conservative point guard by getting rid of the ball in the backcourt but it seems a little forced because his efforts didn’t lead to any scores. It’ll take some time for DeRozan, Wright, Belinelli and Jack to be on the same page with him when it comes to running so I expect a finer product later in pre-season. I have to point the following out for completeness: He missed two DeRozan corner-cuts. The latter was not pleased. I think Jose’s night was summed up on the play where his corner three was blocked into the stands by Douby.
There was a really douchy moment in this game. It happened when Andrea Bargnani faked Rasho at the right elbow who jumped giving Bargnani the option to let him fly by and take an open jumper or try the drive. Bargnani instead leaned in and drew the foul (could’ve been easily called an offensive foul because of the shoulder sticking out) for two FTs. Now, this might be fine strategy in a game-situation but is that the kind of “cheap” play you want to execute against Rasho in a scrimmage game? I thought it spoke of his confidence – rather get the two cheap points than actually risk missing a shot.
Overall, Bargani was unimpressive. Other than beating Patrick O’Bryant to the rim after a head-fake, he didn’t have much to say. A rebound here, a score there, but nothing that could make you say that he’s any different than last year. Again, it’s only one intra-squad scrimmage but those are the impressions I got. He needs to be dominating the likes of O’Bryant, Evans and Rasho off the dribble but instead I saw a lot of settling and hesitation in his game. Instead of making up his mind early and going to work, he’s thinking too hard and making life difficult for himself. After all, if you have Rasho Nesterovic on you 18 feet out, the decision of what to do needs to be damn obvious.
A quick note about Rasho. Nothing’s changed from what you saw of him a year ago except that he looks a little skinnier. He tried his little jump hook and mid-range jumper but it wasn’t falling. Defended Bargnani well and also got defended by Bargnani fairly well, the latter blocked a fadeaway which made Rasho 0-3 at the time. We talked about Bargnani’s man-defense on the drive home and Wally felt that even though it is pretty good, he doesn’t finish off the play by actually getting the rebound and stops playing once his man has taken the shot. No arguments there.
I thought our team defense was very good. There were hard close-outs, contested shots, timely help, and good recovery. The communication was there (led by Jack) and the players seemed to know their role in the play. For example, when Belinelli ended up checking Bargnani on a switch on the perimeter leaving, leaving Evans to momentarily guard Douby, they recovered quickly. The high traps were organized and successful in wasting seconds of the shot-clock, however, there wasn’t any backcourt trapping. There weren’t too many clean looks for anybody and the overall defensive discipline needs to be credited for that, I think that’s one of the main reasons for the low scoreline.
Nobody can say much about the offense because our two best players didn’t play. The interesting thing to note was that a lot of our offense was initiated by the center holding the ball, much like the triangle offense. Bargnani, O’Bryant and Rasho all started several possessions with them holding the rock in the circle and several cross-cuts going on around them. It was usually passed back to the point or wing but the off-the-ball screens also created a few clean looks for the wings after a quick-pass to the corner. This was something totally new. Another new source of offense could be the most simple one yet: break your man off the dribble without the help of anyone and create. I’ve already pointed to Jack as the best example of this against Calderon. You can throw Belinelli into that mix too.
A word about Marcus Banks. He really is totally useless. Quincy Douby doesn’t even have to play in order to be ahead of him in the depth chart.
We met Alex English after the game and he’s a super cool cat. It should also be mentioned he’s the greatest player on the current roster. Overall, a great day even though it involved 9 hours of driving. Thanks to AltRaps for hooking up the tickets.
Random notes:
- Marcus Banks almost hurt someone. We were praying for the coaches to take him out so no further damage would be inflicted on anyone, including the audience.
- The announcer was trying the old “DeMar DeRozan ssshhhhhhooting two” when somebody got fouled but i made no sense since the crowd was already quiet.
- Wally firmly believes in the value of the adjusted +/-stat. AltRaps, not so much.
- The Raptors sent the second string Dance Pak to this one. Some of them actually declined a photo-request of some locals. Don’t flatter yourself girls.



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Great recap gents – thanks for making the trip there.
Also, not to pick nits or anything, but the random note about DeRo sssshhhhhhhhoooting two – you mentioned it twice. :P
haha i just said the same thing as you :P
It was only a scrimmage so im not going to read into anything. I’m just glad nobody got hurt. Thanks for covering the camp you guys did a great job.
BTW you repeated one of the “random notes” the one about Derozan was said twice.
Well done you two, you guys are the Shizznit! Just hope Bargnani shows better playing during the pre-season games.
The only thing that I take from this scrimmage is that this was just a show for the fans. Not all the players are going to go hard like it’s a game that matters. Remember last year Kris Humphries was the star of the scrimmage look what happened to him.
Was at this game, and was really disappointed by Jose. I was excited when Jose said he was “embarrassed” by his defence last season, and is determined to play better defence this season. His defence this game was the same crap defence he played all last season (clap, clap). Some may argue that it’s just pre-season, and Jose is playing cautiously to avoid injury, but you would think with Jack threatening to perhaps take his starting spot away, and with his pride on the line after last season, he would come out more agressively on defence. And Jose being unable/unwilling to find Demar on cuts to the basket got my soooo angry. Jose was awful at finding our cutters last season (marion, moon), and thereby esentially forced them into jump shooters. I don’t want him doing the same thing to Demar!
Interesting that you say that, since after everything had settled in, I thought exactly the same thing. I was glad the scrimmage was (somewhat) fast paced since it forced him to get up and down and work his legs, but I completely agree with your view in that he looked off (or just plain didn’t see) many guys and he pretty much was shown up by Jack.
Any I dramatically concerned? No. If this style persists through pre-season we need to worry a little, though. As many say here, it was just a scrimmage, but since you were there, you know that the guys were playing pretty hard and that allows us to take quite a few observations from this, your insight being one of them.
I’m not challenging what you saw or even how poor Calderon might have played, but keep in mind he didnt’ play very much basketball over the summer. I think its going to take him a few weeks to get that ‘flow’ back in his game, regardless of conditioning. Its not about cardio, but rather getting back in the groove and shaking off some of the rust. No doubt in my mind that by the first week of the season our point guard tandem is going to be running on all cylinders. As for him not finding cutters, he’s never been a good lob thrower in the half court. Its aparent that the team is working with him to take more chances throwing passes, and not feel the pressure or risk to turn the ball over. I guess at times he can be too protective of the ball.
Good snapshot of where the team is right now. Actually … great f**king snapshot. Almost disconcerting in its way, to see that they really do have a ways to go to be the team I sometimes envision when looking at the roster, imagining how good they MIGHT be, if all goes well. But … I guess that’s what training camp is all about. Plus of course, it’ll all look a bit different when Bosh and Hedo are a part of what goes on, on the floor.
Anyway, between the pics, videos and your descriptions of what-all happened yesterday, there’s nothing else I’ve seen to this point in the day that comes close to telling what is, right now, exactly what with the team. As a near-crazed Raptor fan (I admit), I appreciate it a ton.
Someone who knows Triano and/or Bryan would serve them well by passing along your perspective of this training camp scrimmage. The fresh eyes and detailed observations could be interesting to them … and who knows … ? … maybe even valuable. I actually kind of believe that.
Wow, I guess the multimillion dollar MLSE organization should have an advice/opinion box. So that anyone who has an opinion on the team can share it with them and they can then make their decisions based on that.
You need to get real man. You read one guy’s blog (not even a respectable news article) and you take it as fact?
It was an intrasquad scrimmage without Bosh or Turk. What were you expecting?
Don’t take opinions seriously from a guy who talks about getting mean looks from players, not getting dance pak autograph and who takes pictures of kids instead of the players.
I disagree. As well as reading almost everything I can find about the Raptors on a daily basis, I’ve been reading Arsenalist’s after-game analysis and comments for a year or so now, and in my opinion, there are few out there who sees the game and writes intelligently about it as clearly and often insightfully as he does. Come back during the season and get to know why this site is as popular as it is. It’s not for nothing.
This whole article is fuming with prejudice.
The guy drove 9 hours and was disappointed because no one dominated. A word of advice, don’t expect anything from an intrasquad scrimmage that doesn’t even have its two best players (bosh and turkoglu) participating. Not to mention that the roster has 9 new players.
People say that preseason games don’t represent a team’s actual ability, whether they win them or not. Then what can u say about an intrasquad scrimmage? You need to take a chill pill.
Demar Derozan gave you an angry look? First of all, I doubt he gave you an angry look. And if he did, thanks for letting me know just how biased you are against him. You going to rip his game apart over an angry look? Nothing you said about him is something everyone didn’t already know – that his handles need work and his ability to make decisions and pick his shots is suspect.
All your random notes are more useless than Marcus Banks. Why even mention the second string dancers? Were you one of the people who they refused to give an autograph to? It just seems to be like you were bored, tired and pissed off you didn’t get all star performances or a dance pak autograph. Why else would you be taking photos of a kid with a Moon jersey…
Listen to me. I’m the biggest DeMar DeRozan supporter here, I wanted to draft him in May and think he’s got All-Star potential. If there’s a Raptor whose jersey I’ll but it’ll be his. But that doesn’t mean he didn’t look that great yesterday. I’m writing my thoughts as I saw them, nothing more. And the photo, well, that was supposed to be a bit of a joke but you obviously took it to meaning something totally different.
I think I was pretty clear who looked good yesterday, who looked average and who looked bad. I’m sorry if I didn’t have glowing reviews of everyone but as I said, I wrote what I saw. If you want more positive reviews of everyone to make yourself feel better, check out the raptors.com article linked in the post.
Im sorry that my d was no good, we play for fun, i will try harder to make good d for gg on tuesday.
Great forum guys. So how much do Raps need to do to be ready for the season.
links to ottawa, if you haven’t seen it already… in the sidebar
Great report guys. It was very interesting to hear how the players were playing.
I can’t wait for a preseason game!
I’m not sure what to read into the “Jack’s a great vocal leader” thing. I believe I understand better now why Portland traded him after he demanded more play time and why Indiana, without an established PG, let him walk for only $4.5 mill. per. Who the heck is he to be so vocal and to be a self-appointed leader in this team: he has no tenure within the organization, he’s an average NBA player with no accomplishments and he’s no veteran. I’m sure there were a few players where he played that didn’t really enjoy his empty status.
The players that should be vocal in defense are the bigs who see the whole floor: the cutters, the gaps, the rebounding spots. If I am Bosh, Bargnani, Rasho, Hedo, do I really want this guy balking instructions in my direction? Even on the perimeter, does anyone think that Jose, Wright or Belinelli enjoy listening to this guy? I’ve watched him in only a few games and I cannot say I was impressed with his defense. Granted, is a small sample size however I don’t remember reading anywhere how much people were impressed with the defensive abilities of one Jarrett Jack. I read about Antoine Wright, Amir Johnson (shot-blocking), but not Jack.
In my opinion if he keeps doing this he will rub people the wrong way and not even the friendship with Bosh will save him. We brought him in to be a solid back-up for PG and SG and he has to earn anything first before becoming a leader in this team. Leadership is not an empty word: it has to be filled with content and I fail to see how in the world Jarrett Jack is suited to be a leader of our team.
One of this teams (many) weaknesses over the past 2 seasons has been lack of communication, especially defensively. Those very same bigs you refer to may as well have white gloves and a bowler on and complete their mime act. I’m not a big Rasho fan, but he does a great job directing his teammates and talking on the floor. If Jack can bring that to the point guard spot, it will be a welcome addition.
One of the most important things on the defensive end of a basketball court is to talk. Communication is key to let players know when they’re going to get hit by a screen (and players will lose it when they get run over and a team mate didn’t shout anything), when other players are shading over, and basically helping guys to see whats going on. Its not yelling at guys to hurt their feelings or insult anyone, its X’s and O’s. Having Jack on the floor being so talkative will be huge for us, and hopefully it rubs off on the other guys. This alone will help our defence to get better. Guys will listen, cus he’s the floor general (the point guard) and is trying to help the team work as a unit together. There is nothing disruptive to what he’s doing.
Thanks for the article but I don’t totally agree with your recap.
I was at the scrimmage and instead of reading into every single play, I tried to take it was it was, a scrimmage.
Though Bargnani wasn’t as aggressive on offense as he should of been, he had a pretty good defensive game. He was the main reason why Amir was pretty unimpressive and played big.
I think you are being to hard or expecting to much of DeRozan. In my opionion, he looked like the quickest guy on the court and didn’t really make too many mistakes which is all you can ask for in a rookie.
The guy still has a lot to learn but definitely has the potential to be an all-star in this league.
I didn’t really pay to much attention to Wright on the defensive end but on offensive he wasn’t that impressive.
Rasho didn’t get enough credit. The guy can still play and is a huge upgrade at back up center. He did put a few wild shots but he is a smart player who is a good passer and knows when to cut to the rim.
The one thing that was clear is O’Bryant and Banks will ride the bench all year unless we can swing some kind of trade.
I look forward to the season and I think we have a legitimate shot at the playoffs.
Sorry, I was there as well and I feel you missed some things (besides getting the coaches and some of the teams backwards: Rasho played with Jose, Banks, Jose, OB, and Wright for Iavaroni and Alvin):
Anyway…
Derozan was simply excellent. Not looking for his shot, getting to the rim twice at the end (through traffic finishing with each hand) and running the floor like a fiend…I only hope someone is capable of pushing the ball and getting it to him on the break this year. My buddy, a 15 year season ticket holder walked away saying ¨it has been years since we have had a great rookie…Derozan is clearly it¨
You were right about Amir and Jose and Banks.
Rasho was also excellent. The give and go with Amir at the right elbow in the first ¨quarter¨ was one of the nicest plays in the game. He was keeping the ball alive and I walked away thinking he should be getting minutes this year. He is looking super skinny.
Evans gets his mitts on everything…unfortunately he isn’t great on his offensive putbacks…but we have never had a hustle player like him, he puts Hump/Pape/Pops/JYD/Bonner to shame.
Jose mentioned twice: my bad