Comments on: What to expect from Belinelli http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/09/20/what-to-expect-of-belinelli/ The Penultimate Toronto Raptors Fan Website Sun, 21 Mar 2010 08:24:52 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Lucamacus http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/09/20/what-to-expect-of-belinelli/#comment-40360 Lucamacus Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:36:21 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=10563#comment-40360 BIASED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BIASED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: vik007 http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/09/20/what-to-expect-of-belinelli/#comment-40256 vik007 Thu, 24 Sep 2009 07:35:59 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=10563#comment-40256 Marco does not need any direction on the floor, especially because he's European, thus he has a very high basketball-IQ and a great technique of passing, dribbling, ans shooting, not like DeRozan, who is a rookie who comes from US-college basketball, thus very physical but also very raw, both technically and tactically. Plus Marco can be an excellent back-up for Calderon at point, so I really don't understand you guys... Marco does not need any direction on the floor, especially because he’s European, thus he has a very high basketball-IQ and a great technique of passing, dribbling, ans shooting, not like DeRozan, who is a rookie who comes from US-college basketball, thus very physical but also very raw, both technically and tactically. Plus Marco can be an excellent back-up for Calderon at point, so I really don’t understand you guys…

]]> By: d279 http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/09/20/what-to-expect-of-belinelli/#comment-40172 d279 Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:08:00 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=10563#comment-40172 Oh!! !! and Spain's starting guard was all of 16yrs old .. Oh!! !! and Spain’s starting guard was all of 16yrs old ..

]]> By: nunya http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/09/20/what-to-expect-of-belinelli/#comment-40166 nunya Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:22:00 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=10563#comment-40166 Belinelli will have a breakout year. Belinelli will have a breakout year.

]]> By: Ron Gersh http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/09/20/what-to-expect-of-belinelli/#comment-40147 Ron Gersh Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:41:24 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=10563#comment-40147 I'd like to tackle the U.S./European debate. I watched World Championships, U.S. did did not dominate the top tier teams e.g. Spain, Greece. I'm sure everybody watched those games wondering if the U.S. would win? It was not a slam dunk for sure, and the worst part is that the U.S. Team was made up of the NBA's best... This is not like the late 80s with Jordan and Magic, where every game was won by 50, the europeans gave the americans a run for their money and the result could have went either way. I'll leave it at that.... I don't mind being called a European team! I’d like to tackle the U.S./European debate. I watched World Championships, U.S. did did not dominate the top tier teams e.g. Spain, Greece. I’m sure everybody watched those games wondering if the U.S. would win?

It was not a slam dunk for sure, and the worst part is that the U.S. Team was made up of the NBA’s best…

This is not like the late 80s with Jordan and Magic, where every game was won by 50, the europeans gave the americans a run for their money and the result could have went either way.

I’ll leave it at that…. I don’t mind being called a European team!

]]> By: Ron Gersh http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/09/20/what-to-expect-of-belinelli/#comment-40145 Ron Gersh Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:34:52 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=10563#comment-40145 IF you expect nothing from Belinelli, you don't know very much about him....... I remind you Colangelo is not a dumb cookie, he knows what he's talking about, when he states his feelings on a player publicly in the media. He would have credibility issues, if he said last year Joey Graham is going to be the most improved player in the league, and Joey took a dive! You Tube Belinilli the guy is a fantastic player!!! Expect him to play and be a very serious contributor... IF you expect nothing from Belinelli, you don’t know very much about him…….

I remind you Colangelo is not a dumb cookie, he knows what he’s talking about, when he states his feelings on a player publicly in the media. He would have credibility issues, if he said last year Joey Graham is going to be the most improved player in the league, and Joey took a dive!

You Tube Belinilli the guy is a fantastic player!!! Expect him to play and be a very serious contributor…

]]> By: Sean http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/09/20/what-to-expect-of-belinelli/#comment-40139 Sean Tue, 22 Sep 2009 07:08:25 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=10563#comment-40139 Good article, particularly the research and the seeking of the Steinmetz contribution. I question your math here though: "3/5ths of our starting lineup is European and if you figure Triano going with a 10-man rotation with Jack, Belinelli, Wright and Rasho, it means 50% of our main players are European." I only count 9 players. Who else are you counting in the 10-man rotation? I'm guessing Evans, but I'd pick Amir to push for a spot before the season is half over. If it makes people feel any better, Hedo was born in Istanbul, which is the only metropolis that is in situated on two continents, so he's half Asian. Good article, particularly the research and the seeking of the Steinmetz contribution. I question your math here though:

“3/5ths of our starting lineup is European and if you figure Triano going with a 10-man rotation with Jack, Belinelli, Wright and Rasho, it means 50% of our main players are European.”

I only count 9 players. Who else are you counting in the 10-man rotation? I’m guessing Evans, but I’d pick Amir to push for a spot before the season is half over.

If it makes people feel any better, Hedo was born in Istanbul, which is the only metropolis that is in situated on two continents, so he’s half Asian.

]]> By: BALLGOD http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/09/20/what-to-expect-of-belinelli/#comment-40136 BALLGOD Tue, 22 Sep 2009 03:31:58 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=10563#comment-40136 MARCO WILL PRODUCE BETTER NUMBERS THEN ANTHONY PARKER . IF GIVEN THE SAME MINUTES MARCO WILL PRODUCE BETTER NUMBERS THEN ANTHONY PARKER . IF GIVEN THE SAME MINUTES

]]> By: DAGman27 http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/09/20/what-to-expect-of-belinelli/#comment-40135 DAGman27 Tue, 22 Sep 2009 03:00:19 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=10563#comment-40135 Rap of the day imo. Rap of the day imo.

]]> By: Raul http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/09/20/what-to-expect-of-belinelli/#comment-40134 Raul Tue, 22 Sep 2009 02:47:14 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=10563#comment-40134 Well said simon, that's what i was thinking when arse said thata beig called an euro team is a bad thing, i don't think that way. Euro ball may not be fun to watch for most of the fans, but i think is the bes way to play basketball. With the american style of play, the US needed to bring the best talent in the entire country to win it all. US has the best players in the world, no question about it, the most talented players are americans, but with players like baron davids and paul pierce, the US team failed in international competiton. Another teams, with less talent but with an euro style of play managed to beat the US in a few oportunities. One last thing, the last team i remembered to be called a euro team or an international team, was the spurs, so apparently, it's not such a bad thing Well said simon, that’s what i was thinking when arse said thata beig called an euro team is a bad thing, i don’t think that way. Euro ball may not be fun to watch for most of the fans, but i think is the bes way to play basketball. With the american style of play, the US needed to bring the best talent in the entire country to win it all. US has the best players in the world, no question about it, the most talented players are americans, but with players like baron davids and paul pierce, the US team failed in international competiton.
Another teams, with less talent but with an euro style of play managed to beat the US in a few oportunities.

One last thing, the last team i remembered to be called a euro team or an international team, was the spurs, so apparently, it’s not such a bad thing

]]> By: Brain Colangelo http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/09/20/what-to-expect-of-belinelli/#comment-40133 Brain Colangelo Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:58:58 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=10563#comment-40133 When I go to the ACC I take one look around and know immediately that the Raps are a European team. The food is better. The beer is better. And everyone is so good looking. When I go to the ACC I take one look around and know immediately that the Raps are a European team. The food is better. The beer is better. And everyone is so good looking.

]]> By: Simon http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/09/20/what-to-expect-of-belinelli/#comment-40132 Simon Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:50:34 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=10563#comment-40132 Why would it be insulting to be called a European team? All that means is a more team-oriented, ball moving style as opposed to one-on-one. Yes, the U.S. is the best in the world, but that is dependent more on talent than style. Take two equally talented teams and have them play either "European" ball or "American" ball, and the European team will win most of the time. How do you explain teams like Serbia, Slovenia and Greece being so consistently excellent on the FIBA stage? Euroball allows teams with marginal talent to compete with more naturally talented players. Isn't that a good thing? Why are people so opposed to this? And if your argument is that Euro teams just shoot, that's entirely erroneous. Euro teams still work inside out if they have a post-presence, and if they take a lot of threes you can bet it's because they're all good open looks. Case in point: Pau Gasol, MVP 2009 FIBA Eurobasket -- championship team captain. Why would it be insulting to be called a European team? All that means is a more team-oriented, ball moving style as opposed to one-on-one.

Yes, the U.S. is the best in the world, but that is dependent more on talent than style. Take two equally talented teams and have them play either “European” ball or “American” ball, and the European team will win most of the time.

How do you explain teams like Serbia, Slovenia and Greece being so consistently excellent on the FIBA stage?

Euroball allows teams with marginal talent to compete with more naturally talented players. Isn’t that a good thing? Why are people so opposed to this?

And if your argument is that Euro teams just shoot, that’s entirely erroneous. Euro teams still work inside out if they have a post-presence, and if they take a lot of threes you can bet it’s because they’re all good open looks.

Case in point: Pau Gasol, MVP 2009 FIBA Eurobasket — championship team captain.

]]> By: LukeCage22 http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/09/20/what-to-expect-of-belinelli/#comment-40130 LukeCage22 Tue, 22 Sep 2009 00:12:59 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=10563#comment-40130 Great Articale Arse. My thoughts on Marco are similar to some, great talent, good ball handler, decent/above average shooter, play maker, average defender who wants to be better, slasher, great free throw shooter. The potential he has is quite high, and I (like some) see him as a poor mans Manu Ginoblli who has potential to be as good as Manu. Whether he reaches that potential is ofcourse another story however he's got a great opportunity here. I think we need to hold off on the comparisons to Jason Kapono for even in passing, as he is much more versitile (as many have mentioned). The biggest question I think will be how Triano juggles the minutes between him and Derozan. The beauty of it all is the versitility. I can envison some nights where, if both Derozan and Bellineli happen to be hot, that Triano rests Turk for most of the game, saving him more for the fourth quarter. All in all, go marco..go raptors!! Great Articale Arse. My thoughts on Marco are similar to some, great talent, good ball handler, decent/above average shooter, play maker, average defender who wants to be better, slasher, great free throw shooter. The potential he has is quite high, and I (like some) see him as a poor mans Manu Ginoblli who has potential to be as good as Manu. Whether he reaches that potential is ofcourse another story however he’s got a great opportunity here. I think we need to hold off on the comparisons to Jason Kapono for even in passing, as he is much more versitile (as many have mentioned).

The biggest question I think will be how Triano juggles the minutes between him and Derozan. The beauty of it all is the versitility. I can envison some nights where, if both Derozan and Bellineli happen to be hot, that Triano rests Turk for most of the game, saving him more for the fourth quarter.

All in all, go marco..go raptors!!

]]> By: Rapman89 http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/09/20/what-to-expect-of-belinelli/#comment-40128 Rapman89 Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:01:01 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=10563#comment-40128 could also look at chris paul being considered as "undersized" for the NBA but his determination to play 100% while leaving everything on the court does way more then having an "nba body" ever could which is the mindset every raptor needs coming in to this season could also look at chris paul being considered as “undersized” for the NBA but his determination to play 100% while leaving everything on the court does way more then having an “nba body” ever could which is the mindset every raptor needs coming in to this season

]]> By: salami with cheese http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/09/20/what-to-expect-of-belinelli/#comment-40127 salami with cheese Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:41:58 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=10563#comment-40127 i think the questions are: can derozan and belinelli be good enough come down the stretch and playoff time to represent a team considered certainly capable of beating anyone in the east other than the big three? (at the same time giving bosh a legitimate chance at proving himself as a max player) i can see this a good goal/checkpoint. following that can derozan and belinelli become a legitimate top duo of sg's to contend with the best? they are both now young so who knows, but i think as long as they are showing the realistic potential to develop into this, by the time the rest of the team has evolved into a serious contender, they should be given their chance. i think the questions are:
can derozan and belinelli be good enough come down the stretch and playoff time to represent a team considered certainly capable of beating anyone in the east other than the big three? (at the same time giving bosh a legitimate chance at proving himself as a max player) i can see this a good goal/checkpoint.
following that can derozan and belinelli become a legitimate top duo of sg’s to contend with the best? they are both now young so who knows, but i think as long as they are showing the realistic potential to develop into this, by the time the rest of the team has evolved into a serious contender, they should be given their chance.

]]> By: Francesco http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/09/20/what-to-expect-of-belinelli/#comment-40126 Francesco Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:40:11 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=10563#comment-40126 Hi everyone that's the first time I write here, anyway, I'm sure Marco will be a great revelation for many reason: he can shoot, he can attack the rim, pass the ball, and his defence is not so bad like don nelson said. I believe that like Dave says he's a sort of 23 years-old Anthony Parker and in my opinion he could be easily a starter since both BC and Murizio Gherardini believe in him and know him better than anyone else... In sum, we got a great talent and hope he'll show it all. Sorry for my bad english cause I'm Italian Hi everyone that’s the first time I write here, anyway, I’m sure Marco will be a great revelation for many reason: he can shoot, he can attack the rim, pass the ball, and his defence is not so bad like don nelson said. I believe that like Dave says he’s a sort of 23 years-old Anthony Parker and in my opinion he could be easily a starter since both BC and Murizio Gherardini believe in him and know him better than anyone else…
In sum, we got a great talent and hope he’ll show it all.
Sorry for my bad english cause I’m Italian

]]> By: Marc http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/09/20/what-to-expect-of-belinelli/#comment-40125 Marc Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:27:22 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=10563#comment-40125 Oh God, I'm gonna have nightmares about J-Killa playing PG now. That'd be like the Titanic, the Hindenburg, the Challenger space shuttle, Pompeii, Mt. St. Helens, Katrina, the Halifax explosion AND Chernobyl put together. Oh God, I’m gonna have nightmares about J-Killa playing PG now.

That’d be like the Titanic, the Hindenburg, the Challenger space shuttle, Pompeii, Mt. St. Helens, Katrina, the Halifax explosion AND Chernobyl put together.

]]> By: Dave http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/09/20/what-to-expect-of-belinelli/#comment-40124 Dave Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:01:14 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=10563#comment-40124 To put the Belinelli's "European team" quote in context, the US and European media have been constantly playing up the European aspect of the Raptors for the past few seasons. MB most likely meant this description as a complement and likely was just repeating the "conventional wisdom" anyway. If I were to compare MB to anyone on last year's squad it would be to a Anthony Parker. He has similar attributes : good ball-handling, good outside shot, some ability to create. I'd be surprised if his defence or consistency were at AP's level, but then again those started to decline last year. To put the Belinelli’s “European team” quote in context, the US and European media have been constantly playing up the European aspect of the Raptors for the past few seasons. MB most likely meant this description as a complement and likely was just repeating the “conventional wisdom” anyway.

If I were to compare MB to anyone on last year’s squad it would be to a Anthony Parker. He has similar attributes : good ball-handling, good outside shot, some ability to create. I’d be surprised if his defence or consistency were at AP’s level, but then again those started to decline last year.

]]> By: Rapman89 http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/09/20/what-to-expect-of-belinelli/#comment-40123 Rapman89 Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:55:35 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=10563#comment-40123 totally agree its all about the effort that is consitently put in and belinelli knows that its his time to prove it. hes not in the doghouse like he was the last two seasons so there will be no excuses as he will know exactly whats expected of him. having watched him quite a bit last season i can tell you he is an underated defender and can (at times) get on other players nerves and throw them off their game. i agree with sam mitchell that its all about effort on the defensive end and with marcos athleticism he could be ready to turn some heads this season. totally agree its all about the effort that is consitently put in and belinelli knows that its his time to prove it. hes not in the doghouse like he was the last two seasons so there will be no excuses as he will know exactly whats expected of him.

having watched him quite a bit last season i can tell you he is an underated defender and can (at times) get on other players nerves and throw them off their game. i agree with sam mitchell that its all about effort on the defensive end and with marcos athleticism he could be ready to turn some heads this season.

]]> By: Arsenalist http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/09/20/what-to-expect-of-belinelli/#comment-40122 Arsenalist Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:53:00 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=10563#comment-40122 I agree with your assessment, the question isn't really about Belinelli's talents. It's whether the Raptors' expectations of him are inline with what he can deliver and whether it's risky business as having him as the first or second wing off the bench - for a team looking to contend. I agree with your assessment, the question isn’t really about Belinelli’s talents. It’s whether the Raptors’ expectations of him are inline with what he can deliver and whether it’s risky business as having him as the first or second wing off the bench – for a team looking to contend.

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