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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/07/20/pacers-decline-to-match-jack-offer/#comment-33791</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blocks does not a good defender make.  How many blocks did Bruce Bowen average for the Spurs the last 8 years?  How many steals?  Perhaps you&#039;d be surprised to find that both of his figures are lackluster when compared to Moon&#039;s.  

There was a rather revealing article regarding Theo Ratliff&#039;s defensive prowess, or lack thereof, back when he was still a relevant commodity.  It went somewhere along the lines of yes, he leads the league in blocks, but actually, he&#039;s a below average defender at his position.  Why?  Because the main reason he gets so many blocks in the first place is because he lets his man get by him constantly.  His blocks are always from behind, and while he does do that part well, there are plenty other times when he isn&#039;t able to correct his mistake.  Better to have someone who is able to stay on his man and force him into taking a low percentage shot.

Moon is similar in this regard.  I don&#039;t know what % of his blocks were from behind, but you have to also remember that he goes for the block *every* shot/pump-fake.  He may have been good at some other aspects of defense, but he was horrible at playing the kind of smart defense that doesn&#039;t show up on a box score, hence the Raptors being torched by opposing swingmen every single game.

On a similar note, some news outlet dubbed Joey Graham as a &quot;superb defender&quot; when they wrote about Cleveland&#039;s interest in him.  So I guess teams must be clamoring for Joey&#039;s services now, but what I want to know is who is better?  Superb defender Joey Graham or solid defender Jamario Moon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blocks does not a good defender make.  How many blocks did Bruce Bowen average for the Spurs the last 8 years?  How many steals?  Perhaps you&#8217;d be surprised to find that both of his figures are lackluster when compared to Moon&#8217;s.  </p>
<p>There was a rather revealing article regarding Theo Ratliff&#8217;s defensive prowess, or lack thereof, back when he was still a relevant commodity.  It went somewhere along the lines of yes, he leads the league in blocks, but actually, he&#8217;s a below average defender at his position.  Why?  Because the main reason he gets so many blocks in the first place is because he lets his man get by him constantly.  His blocks are always from behind, and while he does do that part well, there are plenty other times when he isn&#8217;t able to correct his mistake.  Better to have someone who is able to stay on his man and force him into taking a low percentage shot.</p>
<p>Moon is similar in this regard.  I don&#8217;t know what % of his blocks were from behind, but you have to also remember that he goes for the block *every* shot/pump-fake.  He may have been good at some other aspects of defense, but he was horrible at playing the kind of smart defense that doesn&#8217;t show up on a box score, hence the Raptors being torched by opposing swingmen every single game.</p>
<p>On a similar note, some news outlet dubbed Joey Graham as a &#8220;superb defender&#8221; when they wrote about Cleveland&#8217;s interest in him.  So I guess teams must be clamoring for Joey&#8217;s services now, but what I want to know is who is better?  Superb defender Joey Graham or solid defender Jamario Moon?</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does Barnes count?  Albeit he&#039;s not the exact same kind of player as Moon, but I&#039;m sure most would agree he&#039;s a better player, and he just signed with the Magic for $1.6 mil per year (player option for the 2nd year).

Do try to remember, though, that when comparing contracts, the context is important.  Jack received more as a RFA to ensure Indiana wouldn&#039;t match.  Moon received more as a RFA to ensure Miami wouldn&#039;t match.  Barnes received less as a UFA because the deal is essentially a one-year showcase for a better deal next off-season.  Which leaves Delfino, who doesn&#039;t quite fit any of the above situations.  Normally, he should receive closer to what Barnes is getting if re-signed by Toronto; closer to what Moon is getting if signed to an offer sheet by another team.  However, and this is what sucks, it&#039;s his leverage and not his actual worth that is warranting a $5 mil/year figure.

None of this means Moon is worth what he&#039;ll be getting with Cleveland though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Barnes count?  Albeit he&#8217;s not the exact same kind of player as Moon, but I&#8217;m sure most would agree he&#8217;s a better player, and he just signed with the Magic for $1.6 mil per year (player option for the 2nd year).</p>
<p>Do try to remember, though, that when comparing contracts, the context is important.  Jack received more as a RFA to ensure Indiana wouldn&#8217;t match.  Moon received more as a RFA to ensure Miami wouldn&#8217;t match.  Barnes received less as a UFA because the deal is essentially a one-year showcase for a better deal next off-season.  Which leaves Delfino, who doesn&#8217;t quite fit any of the above situations.  Normally, he should receive closer to what Barnes is getting if re-signed by Toronto; closer to what Moon is getting if signed to an offer sheet by another team.  However, and this is what sucks, it&#8217;s his leverage and not his actual worth that is warranting a $5 mil/year figure.</p>
<p>None of this means Moon is worth what he&#8217;ll be getting with Cleveland though.</p>
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		<title>By: Raúl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raúl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m argentinian, don&#039;t you think i would know if a player of my country plays in the NBA? I meant he was a teammate of Jose and Scola in the Tau Cerámica, one of the best teams in spain and in europe, and when the three played togheter, along with Macijauskas and oberto, among others, they won almost every title avaliable.
By the way, he&#039;s not overrated, he is in my opinion overpaid, but not overrated at all, most people doesn&#039;t even know his experience as a player and what he brings to the table. BTW, he clearly wants out of the Kings, he would never say it but, he&#039;s a winner, he wants to be at least with a playoff team</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m argentinian, don&#8217;t you think i would know if a player of my country plays in the NBA? I meant he was a teammate of Jose and Scola in the Tau Cerámica, one of the best teams in spain and in europe, and when the three played togheter, along with Macijauskas and oberto, among others, they won almost every title avaliable.<br />
By the way, he&#8217;s not overrated, he is in my opinion overpaid, but not overrated at all, most people doesn&#8217;t even know his experience as a player and what he brings to the table. BTW, he clearly wants out of the Kings, he would never say it but, he&#8217;s a winner, he wants to be at least with a playoff team</p>
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		<title>By: Macy O'Baston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macy O'Baston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like you, I hope Ukic can play. The sad part is he&#039;s never proven that he can do that. Backup PG was a bigger need than backup SF, Jack was the right man.

Nocioni&#039;s overrated. And he&#039;s Argentinian, not Spanish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like you, I hope Ukic can play. The sad part is he&#8217;s never proven that he can do that. Backup PG was a bigger need than backup SF, Jack was the right man.</p>
<p>Nocioni&#8217;s overrated. And he&#8217;s Argentinian, not Spanish.</p>
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		<title>By: Raúl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raúl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ESPN Trade Machine just reload this season rosters and I come up with an idea. Forget about Kleiza, no way we can get him this season.
But, let&#039;s try Delfino as the back up SF this year, and the next we will have two expiring contracts for a value of 9.5 millions. Teams like sacramento will be in dessperate need for expiring deals and I come op with a possible trade with the Kings. Andres Nocioni for the expriring contracts of Banks and Evans, we will save almost 2 millions of cap space but andres contract has two more in the books. He will bring the same three point shooting than kleiza but with more experience. Plus, he will bring his well known energy and hustle and could play the back up PF easly. He is a former teammate of Jose in Spain and toghether, and Scola, they won almost every title availeble

If you think this could be good right know, something like this could be worked

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=n4k5mf

Not sure if the king could bite but, two expiring deals and Wright defense could do it. They would also save a lot of money in the future by trading nocioni. We just won&#039;t use George and Banks, so it&#039;s basically nocioni for wright</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ESPN Trade Machine just reload this season rosters and I come up with an idea. Forget about Kleiza, no way we can get him this season.<br />
But, let&#8217;s try Delfino as the back up SF this year, and the next we will have two expiring contracts for a value of 9.5 millions. Teams like sacramento will be in dessperate need for expiring deals and I come op with a possible trade with the Kings. Andres Nocioni for the expriring contracts of Banks and Evans, we will save almost 2 millions of cap space but andres contract has two more in the books. He will bring the same three point shooting than kleiza but with more experience. Plus, he will bring his well known energy and hustle and could play the back up PF easly. He is a former teammate of Jose in Spain and toghether, and Scola, they won almost every title availeble</p>
<p>If you think this could be good right know, something like this could be worked</p>
<p><a href="http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=n4k5mf" rel="nofollow">http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=n4k5mf</a></p>
<p>Not sure if the king could bite but, two expiring deals and Wright defense could do it. They would also save a lot of money in the future by trading nocioni. We just won&#8217;t use George and Banks, so it&#8217;s basically nocioni for wright</p>
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		<title>By: CaldeROSEN</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/07/20/pacers-decline-to-match-jack-offer/#comment-33623</link>
		<dc:creator>CaldeROSEN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>REGARDLESS, I would like to point out that the correct term is &quot;shore up&quot; not &quot;sure up&quot;. Otherwise, great article (as usual).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REGARDLESS, I would like to point out that the correct term is &#8220;shore up&#8221; not &#8220;sure up&#8221;. Otherwise, great article (as usual).</p>
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		<title>By: Raúl</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/07/20/pacers-decline-to-match-jack-offer/#comment-33620</link>
		<dc:creator>Raúl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great adittion. I didn&#039;t see that coming when we sign him to an offer sheet, i saw Kleiza as a better fit with this team (actually i still do)
Also, we have George, Douby (i&#039;m not buying his summer league permormance, it&#039;s just summer league), Banks and O&#039;Briant. That&#039;s too much players without any impact in this team. I don&#039;t mention Ukic because he actually had a lot of impact last year in games against Orlando and San Antonio. I want him in the rotation and expect improvement from him


That&#039;s how i saw the finished roster right before the turk trade

PG: Calderon/Ukic/Banks
SG: DeRozan/Delfino/Wright (or Almond via Free agency)
SF: Turk/Kleiza/George (or joey?)
PF: Bosh/Evans/Pops
C: Andrea/Rasho/POB

That&#039;s a good roster in my opinion, a Second Round of the playoffs roster. Not impossible to get. With Banks, Joey or George and POB desactivated and with Wright and one of pops or evans out of the rotation

Now, right before the Jack&#039;s signing, and after the summer league and the words of the GM and his assistent saying that douby will probably have a spot in the roster, it&#039;s a little different. This is how i see it


PG: Calderon/Jack/Douby/Ukic/Banks are you kidding me? 5 PG? it&#039;s insane
SG:De Rozan/Delfino/Wright with Jack playing a lot at the SG
SF: Turk/George (or joey?) with Carlos playing most of the back up SF
PF: Bosh/Evans
C: Andrea/Rasho/POB

Actualy, i like a lot more the first roster i saw, it&#039;s more balance, now we have 5 possible pg with only 2 playing regulary (and maybe one of ukic and douby) only one valuable SF and only 2 PF</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great adittion. I didn&#8217;t see that coming when we sign him to an offer sheet, i saw Kleiza as a better fit with this team (actually i still do)<br />
Also, we have George, Douby (i&#8217;m not buying his summer league permormance, it&#8217;s just summer league), Banks and O&#8217;Briant. That&#8217;s too much players without any impact in this team. I don&#8217;t mention Ukic because he actually had a lot of impact last year in games against Orlando and San Antonio. I want him in the rotation and expect improvement from him</p>
<p>That&#8217;s how i saw the finished roster right before the turk trade</p>
<p>PG: Calderon/Ukic/Banks<br />
SG: DeRozan/Delfino/Wright (or Almond via Free agency)<br />
SF: Turk/Kleiza/George (or joey?)<br />
PF: Bosh/Evans/Pops<br />
C: Andrea/Rasho/POB</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a good roster in my opinion, a Second Round of the playoffs roster. Not impossible to get. With Banks, Joey or George and POB desactivated and with Wright and one of pops or evans out of the rotation</p>
<p>Now, right before the Jack&#8217;s signing, and after the summer league and the words of the GM and his assistent saying that douby will probably have a spot in the roster, it&#8217;s a little different. This is how i see it</p>
<p>PG: Calderon/Jack/Douby/Ukic/Banks are you kidding me? 5 PG? it&#8217;s insane<br />
SG:De Rozan/Delfino/Wright with Jack playing a lot at the SG<br />
SF: Turk/George (or joey?) with Carlos playing most of the back up SF<br />
PF: Bosh/Evans<br />
C: Andrea/Rasho/POB</p>
<p>Actualy, i like a lot more the first roster i saw, it&#8217;s more balance, now we have 5 possible pg with only 2 playing regulary (and maybe one of ukic and douby) only one valuable SF and only 2 PF</p>
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		<title>By: Raúl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raúl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If and only if we don&#039;t re sign delfino, i would rather have joey than any other minimun salary SF. He knows the team, the city, the players and the most important, the coach and his sistems. Actually,  i wouldn&#039;t mind replace george with joey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If and only if we don&#8217;t re sign delfino, i would rather have joey than any other minimun salary SF. He knows the team, the city, the players and the most important, the coach and his sistems. Actually,  i wouldn&#8217;t mind replace george with joey</p>
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		<title>By: Raúl</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/07/20/pacers-decline-to-match-jack-offer/#comment-33616</link>
		<dc:creator>Raúl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure Utah will make any deal for him, his natural position is the SG and Utah is still working an extension for their starting SG, Ronnie Brewer, if they don&#039;t come to terms with him, they&#039;ll look to miles as an isurence in case he leaves next season. Don&#039;t forget the third SG Morris almond, is a free agent and won&#039;t come back

By the way, I like almond much more than Wright</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure Utah will make any deal for him, his natural position is the SG and Utah is still working an extension for their starting SG, Ronnie Brewer, if they don&#8217;t come to terms with him, they&#8217;ll look to miles as an isurence in case he leaves next season. Don&#8217;t forget the third SG Morris almond, is a free agent and won&#8217;t come back</p>
<p>By the way, I like almond much more than Wright</p>
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		<title>By: Macy O'Baston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macy O'Baston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even his Cavs form wasn&#039;t great. Rasho&#039;s a better option, bigger, better defender against Howard/Shaq/Perkins, higher bball IQ. Maybe not quite the range of Gooden, but they can both knock the 12 footer. Plus we&#039;d all love having Rasho because he&#039;d love us (in the words of Chris Bosh).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even his Cavs form wasn&#8217;t great. Rasho&#8217;s a better option, bigger, better defender against Howard/Shaq/Perkins, higher bball IQ. Maybe not quite the range of Gooden, but they can both knock the 12 footer. Plus we&#8217;d all love having Rasho because he&#8217;d love us (in the words of Chris Bosh).</p>
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		<title>By: Macy O'Baston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macy O'Baston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disagree. He&#039;s clearly an above-average defender, especially off the ball at the wing. How many straight games with a block?

When talking about LeBron, don&#039;t forget that the Cavs are owned 15% (not sure about the correct %), so if they know what they&#039;re doing there&#039;s a chance for him to make MUCH more through endorsements/branding in Cleveland than NY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disagree. He&#8217;s clearly an above-average defender, especially off the ball at the wing. How many straight games with a block?</p>
<p>When talking about LeBron, don&#8217;t forget that the Cavs are owned 15% (not sure about the correct %), so if they know what they&#8217;re doing there&#8217;s a chance for him to make MUCH more through endorsements/branding in Cleveland than NY.</p>
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		<title>By: Macy O'Baston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macy O'Baston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know what you&#039;re saying, but I have a hard time attributing Cleveland&#039;s success to moves like this. If Danny Ferry has proven anything, it&#039;s that he&#039;s a decent exec who has the best player in a generation and a great regular season coach. The fact that Ferry signed a guy might be more of an indictment than anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know what you&#8217;re saying, but I have a hard time attributing Cleveland&#8217;s success to moves like this. If Danny Ferry has proven anything, it&#8217;s that he&#8217;s a decent exec who has the best player in a generation and a great regular season coach. The fact that Ferry signed a guy might be more of an indictment than anything.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisR</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seriously wouldn&#039;t mind bringing back Joey in case things didn&#039;t work out with Delfino. He&#039;d come cheap and would bring some toughness at the back up 3 spot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seriously wouldn&#8217;t mind bringing back Joey in case things didn&#8217;t work out with Delfino. He&#8217;d come cheap and would bring some toughness at the back up 3 spot.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not true. It is a word, albeit nonstandard.

Usage Note:  Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir- prefix and -less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not true. It is a word, albeit nonstandard.</p>
<p>Usage Note:  Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir- prefix and -less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d direct you to the above discussion on Jamario Moon, where a reader calls Jamario a good find for the Cavs. For what they are looking for, at a heavily discounted price, Jamario (might) be good value. 

In this case, the argument isn&#039;t &#039;let&#039;s bring back Joey for $5mill/year and see if we can get him starting by the all star break, we know he&#039;s got it in him!&#039;, it&#039;s &#039;let&#039;s see if we can get him at a heavily discounted rate where his role is clearly defined as a back-up to step in and play 10-15 minutes of hustle basketball while Hedo rests his back. If that&#039;s what we&#039;re looking for and Joey&#039;s the best option/value, then why not at least consider it?

It&#039;s asinine to simply say that because he was once on the Raps, he should never play here again unless your initials stand for Vince Carter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d direct you to the above discussion on Jamario Moon, where a reader calls Jamario a good find for the Cavs. For what they are looking for, at a heavily discounted price, Jamario (might) be good value. </p>
<p>In this case, the argument isn&#8217;t &#8216;let&#8217;s bring back Joey for $5mill/year and see if we can get him starting by the all star break, we know he&#8217;s got it in him!&#8217;, it&#8217;s &#8216;let&#8217;s see if we can get him at a heavily discounted rate where his role is clearly defined as a back-up to step in and play 10-15 minutes of hustle basketball while Hedo rests his back. If that&#8217;s what we&#8217;re looking for and Joey&#8217;s the best option/value, then why not at least consider it?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s asinine to simply say that because he was once on the Raps, he should never play here again unless your initials stand for Vince Carter</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/07/20/pacers-decline-to-match-jack-offer/#comment-33601</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d rather have Rasho.  He&#039;ll be cheaper and he likes Toronto.  Gooden fell off big time over the past couple of seasons, and there has been no indication he will ever regain the form he had when he was with the Cavs a few years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d rather have Rasho.  He&#8217;ll be cheaper and he likes Toronto.  Gooden fell off big time over the past couple of seasons, and there has been no indication he will ever regain the form he had when he was with the Cavs a few years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Shahin</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/07/20/pacers-decline-to-match-jack-offer/#comment-33593</link>
		<dc:creator>Shahin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think we can gte him. How much does he make ??</description>
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		<title>By: Mike P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL! how awful is that...</description>
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		<title>By: Mike P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL!</description>
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		<title>By: Calgary Raps Fan</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/07/20/pacers-decline-to-match-jack-offer/#comment-33590</link>
		<dc:creator>Calgary Raps Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TYPO: ...is about looking ahead for the Raps, NOT recycling past crap like Graham...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TYPO: &#8230;is about looking ahead for the Raps, NOT recycling past crap like Graham&#8230;</p>
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