There are multiple reasons, but No. 1 is that Bosh genuinely likes Toronto.
Who wouldn’t? It’s a great cosmopolitan city. I guess if you are young and rich, even Sacramento looks good, but Toronto has clearly won over the pride of Dallas’ Lincoln High.
"It probably took me two or three years, but I went there when I was 19," said Bosh, who played one season at Georgia Tech after helping Lincoln to a state title. "I was fresh out of college. I was used to roommates and guys knocking on the door, saying where the frat party was.
"But I love Toronto. And Toronto loves me."
The Raptors have a better understanding of Douby’s skill set.
"They definitely know I’m a pure scorer. I can shoot the ball. They also want me to also focus on distributing the ball, playing pressure defensive – focusing on that stuff," said Quincy. "But also keep on working on my scoring ability and scooting, have the whole package."
With Jose Calderon and presumably Jarrett Jack (should the Indiana Pacers pass on their restricted free agent), Douby may finally have the opportunity to play to his strength as an undersized two-guard.
Of course Jack could keep Quincy on the bench or worse, so the pressure is on for Douby to perform.
"I think us competing in practice, that’s going to get us all better. The NBA has a lot of great players and on your team, there’s going to be a lot of great players to compete against to get playing time," said Douby. "I think it’s going to be a good situation for the whole team. I’m looking forward to it. When practice comes I’m going to just play as hard as I could."
DeMar is not good defensively. I don’t think this is really a surprise to anybody. He’s played one year of college and is only 19 years old. The thing that first jumped out at me, though, was an apparent lack of defensive effort. The Raptors seemed to always put him on the least offensive of the Blazers wings. When I first tuned in, this was Bobby Jones.
For most of the plays, DeMar was on the weakside of the court (the non-ball side). His help defense was non-existent. He seemed content to be happy to watch. When shot would go up, he would take a step toward the basket and stand BEHIND the other teams big. He wouldn’t help box him out. It was like he was loitering.
When a player drove he never stepped in. He would occassionally reach for a ball. Any defensive rebound he got was because it fell to him. He had 4 defensive rebounds and I remember two of them hitting the floor before he picked them up.
I would like to comment on the Jason Kapono trade for Reggie Evans. Good Riddance. I never want to see Kapono in a Raptor uniform ever again. Evans is probably good for 15-20 mins, he is an excellent rebounder, but not much else. This team is in desperate need of a guy who can hit the boards and play some D. Just don’t ask him to score. Also, because of the sign and trade, they can re-sign Carlos Delfino who should be a starter for this team, he can rebound and play D. He is extremely streaky with his shot, but it gives the Raptors another option on handling the ball. Another versatile player. Rasho Nesterovic is also in Raptors’ Radar, he can still play and become an excellent passer from the high post.
Well, if I were a guessing man, and I am, I wouldn’t be all that surprised to see Bryan Colangelo re-approach Chris Bosh with a contract extension this summer. Particularly if BC is able to wiggle Jarrett Jack away from the Pacers (Chris Bosh’s best friend in the league).
Given the economic climate and the league’s prediction that the cap will fall significantly in one years’ time, Chris Bosh will listen. He’d be foolish not to.
If Colaneglo is able to re-sign Chris Bosh you might as well award him Executive of the Year now, that and the keys to the city.
Catch that fish (all 6 foot 10 of it) and we can all sit back and relax. The Raptors would have a very solid core, locked in place for several years to come, surrounded by some very tradable assets.
William Henry “Smush” Parker played for eight teams between 2002-2008 including stints with powerhouses Aris Thessaloniki and the Rio Grande Valley Vipers. This summer, he’s playing with the Toronto Raptors Summer League team. To his credit, Smush is a tough guy. He once beat up a woman working valet over a $12 parking fee.
Anthony Parker the ex-Raptor chats on the Director’s Chair with Doug Farraway about his decision to sign with the Cleveland Cavaliers and reflects on his time in Toronto.
• Hedo Turkoglu’s five-year, $52.8 million contract with Toronto includes a trade kicker and the right to opt out and return to free agency in the summer of 2013.
• Andrea Bargnani’s five-year extension in Toronto starting in 2010-11 is worth an even $50 million. The deal includes an early termination option to return to free agency in the summer of 2014 as well as a trade kicker and incentives.
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So even Bosh adds himself to the growing list (of late) of people saying nice things about Toronto. Not to be cynical (really) but … BC’s memo entitled ‘love the city and it’ll love you back’ is showing. Still, I feel warm and fuzzy …
“They definitely know I’m a pure scorer. I can shoot the ball. They also want me to also focus on distributing the ball, playing pressure defensive – focusing on that stuff,” said Quincy. “But also keep on working on my scoring ability and scooting, have the whole package.”
I’m getting kind of concerned that this sounds like Douby has little intention of passing the ball. I like the guy, and I think he has potential, but at his size he really needs to be a passer with some scoring ability rather than a scorer with some passing ability. Hope I’m wrong about him….
true enough – no one wants any player to be a ball-hog/chucker, regardless of how good they are. but the reality is, douby is probably down on the depth chart, and isn’t likely going to see much PT w/ the bulk of their offensive weapons, so there’s a fairly decent likelihood that he’ll be called upon to provide the previously lacking ‘instant’ offense that the bench has been missing for some time. kind of a ben gordon-light, further down the depth chart, someone to spread the floor & upon whom the D will have to focus when the likes of derozan, evans, rasho, etc. are on the court (in lieu of bosh, bargs, hedo, etc – the scorers).
Raps have needed an instant offense guy off the bench for some time. JK should have been it – he wasn’t. Doesn’t look like QD is afraid to shoot – could be just what the Raps need.
Hopefully Douby turns out to be like a Rip Hamilton or something. He sounds confident but a little cocky too. Hopefully he does pass and not because a ball hog.
As for Bosh talking nice things about our city, That’s beautiful! Really hope he stays. We need a solid core of guys that are willing to learn, grow and prosper together.
I can’t wait for training camp to start! Looking fwd to what BC has next after Jack. Rasho and Delfino I presume; but, you never know what else BC could be thinking (esp if Delfino’s shoulder injury is still a concern)…
I can’t really figure out why BC had a need to throw in those trade kickers. If something goes wrong with either of these players, they’re going to be tougher to deal and we’re going to get less back for them (or were going to have to pay for the kicker).
DeRozan sounds a little like Moon. Not working hard for rebounds and not stepping into the lane when someone is slashing through the middle.
Pounding the Rock is just one perspective on Derozan. Sounds like this guy has an axe to grind (maybe he has a man crush on Steph Curry or something). Raptors HQ has been very positive about Derozan, and everything on ESPN has been positive as well. I wouldn’t put too much stock into what Pounding the Rock is saying.
And actually the dude from the Spurs site says he really likes DeMarr and he is surprised by that. He was just talking about how he is not good on defense yet. You have to go to the site and read his whole blog.
Exactly…it’s pretty damning to slam the blog without reading it. They are actually a fan, but this was one aspect of DeRozan’s game that has stood out as wanting. In watching the first 3 games, I tend to agree.
What is worrisome is that the coaches have said they are stressing defense in practice. I’d rather DD pick up his intensity now, against competition and get better rather than wait until training camp.
He’s a great player and will do us well, but it would be great to see him ramp this aspect of his game up.
Remember he also said the coaches are not telling DD what to do, they are just letting him playing. Considering this it makes sense that our Summer League team kinda sucks in a way. It’s amazing they have been able to do as well as they have since the other teams are probably being coached. I am sure when they are done observing and are ready to instruct, DeRozan’s defensive skills will be a bit more evident. Still his offense looks nice. Apparently his game is more like Richard Jefferson’s than Vince Carter’s, which I personally like for the Raptors.
Yeah, I heard that, but it’s also opposite of what English and Triano have said, which was, as a team, the coaches were working on defense. Even today, according to the Raptors dude that is down there, they have Iavaroni working on sets with them.
Not a big issue and I’m sure it will come around. I believe English when he says the kid is a sponge.
why are you people so concerned about douby? they tried to trade him to Dallas and unless jack ukic calderon delfino or demar get injured he will never be on the floor except for at the end of a blowout game.
After the way guys went down last year to injury, we better be 4 or 5 deep at each position! So that is why we need to pay attention to Quincy Douby, aka Tupac’s ghost.
I’m not concerned with douby… I’m more or less disappointed with him. I always liked this guy but a pg needs to be able to pass…. he needs to be able to pass to make himself and his teammates better.
After all he does have one of the best names out there.
Derozan over Brandon Jennings will haunt the Raptors like Hoffa over Andre Igoudala.
Jennings will be far better than Jose.
Just watch… and regret.
Hardly, Jennings will be out of the league in 2 years
Do you think we could, you know, wait and see how Derozan does after playing some NBA games? I’ve seen a few “Derozan can’t play” comments on this blog already and given that he hasn’t played a freaking game in the NBA yet, it’s a little disconcerting. Give the kid a chance.
As you can tell by my nickname, I am a big fan of Brandon Jennings (if you don’t understand what I am referring to, you’re banned from making any further comments about Jennings).
However, to say that Jennings will be better than Demar is ridiculous. Jennings when he cleans up his jumper, and learns to pass to his teammates on occasion (something he NEVER did at Oak Hill), will be an excellent player in the NBA. He probably has the 3rd highest upside in his draft class. The players with the best upside? Blake Griffen and Demar Derozan. Derozan has rated higher than Jennings coming out of HS on all the big rating services (ESPN 100, Rivals, etc). Jennings is also really skinny, and he needs to hit the weights in order to be an effective NBA player. Demar on the other hand has an NBA ready body.
I’m not worried about DeRozan’s development at all. And I agree that Jennings will be a good player, but it is WAY too early to predict how good and who he will be better then.
The hoffa/iguadala situation was much different. The whole world cringed and twitched when that selection was made because no one knew who Hoffa was, and everyone knew what iguadala would become.
My crystal ball is broken.
How can anyone know if one 19 year old guy, who had trouble getting floor time in a pro-league is going to develop into a better player than another 19 year old guy who looked pretty good playing against college kids?
They are both athletic with good upside and bust potential.
(Remember Gerald Green, and many, many others)
I know GMs don’t read blogs, but if the internet and twitter were as advanced durring the Hoffa draft, that pick never would have happened. The instant ridicule would have been so severe. Everyone knew that was an all time bad top ten pick. A 6′10″ white guy with short arms who’s on steroids? Two weeks before that draft, there would have been ten thousand mock drafts listing Hoffa in the second round.
Even Hansbro couldn’t get into the top ten. Even if Morrison can salvage a career, we will never see a tall white American go top ten again.
Bosh is only positioning himself for max money from the Ratpors .. and if he doesn’t get it, he will jump ship in a blink of the eye … believe it.
tribal. honking. FAQ.
Yours is a ‘tweet’ and not a comment, go back to real GM
Bosh doesn’t need to ‘position’ himself…. he will be offered it. And yes he would leave if he wasn’t offered it because 4 to 5 other teams will. Glad you pointed out what everyone knew 8 months ago when he said he was going to test FA.
Derozan better play some defence. We don’t need another player with only offensive ability. The team is pretty bad on perimeter D as it is.
Douby’s performance in summer league should excite all Raps fan, if not for the thought of seeing him playing in a Raps uniform, then for the prospect of his rising trade value for BC! Hopefully we can package him with some of our dead-weight (ie: Banks/O’Bryant/George) for another player and/or draft pick(s), while opening a roster spot to resign Mensah-Bonsu.
I like the thought of having both Evans and Mensah-Bonsu as backup PF, since it gives the Raps both a tough (Evans) and athletic (M-B) PF option behind Bosh. They both know their role is to do nothing but rebound and clog the lane on D, which is exactly what the 2nd unit needs from them – let Jack, Delfino, DeRozan, Wright, etc… worry about scoring.
I totally agree with CRF, if we can open up a roster spot for Pops I would be thrilled! How thrilled were you last year when Pops came in, rebounded, played some defense, and threw down massive dunks?? I would way rather have an undersized energy guy than a guy who has bamboo poles for legs (O’Bryant). Pops brings the energy like JYD back in the day.
It took Bruce Bowen years to become a premier defensive player in the NBA. Rookies, even good ones, are notorious for being poor defenders in their first few years. If Derozan is a top-flight defender from day 1 he will be truly exceptional. Cut the kid some slack.
Everyone has to remember its Summer League – No one plays defense lol
I wouldn’t be worried if he was playing weak fundamental defense. Rookies almost always need to fine-tune their defensive technique when they get to the pros. It’s the talk of a lack of effort that’s disconcerting. It’s actually a bit inexplicable too. Everything I’ve seen from this kid has suggested that he has a great attitude and a strong work ethic. I’m hoping that article was just depending on too small of a sample size.
3rd game in 4 days? Maybe he’s just a bit out of shape at the moment.
Houston did it again!!! The same way they traded for scola’s rights two years ago, they now traded for David Andersen’s rights from atlanta for just a second round pick. Believe me, if they sign him, their frontcourt will be the most talented and unslelfish front court in the nba. David andersen is an excellent player with great range and very quick for a C/PF
By the way, Nachbar signed with the Efes Pilsen in Turkey (i think it was one of the first team of turk in Europe), So, rumors about a possibilty of coming to the raps this year were not true.
If BC is trying to win it all this year and go deep in the playoffs, do you think it’s a smart “risk” to bring in Inverson for one season?
Or have we lost the MLE because they made an offer to Jack?
1. the MLE is going to Jack, so no money for Iverson.
2. even if the Raps were $20M under the cap, I wouldn’t give a cent to Iverson. He is a selfish ballhog who cares more about feeding his own ego than he does about winning. He would bring the team down and his style/character are the exact opposite of how BC is building the Raps team. I could respect an argument to sign him 10 years ago, but now, on top of his selfishness & ego, he is past his prime and can’t perform nearly to the level he did during his heyday in Philly.
No Iverson in Toronto please. We are trying to build a winning team, not destroy the one we have. Thanks.
Demar hasnt looked great on defense and the article nails it. I dont think its a cause for concern because if he is a “sponge”, which everyone is claiming, then hell eventually get it along with other facets to his game I.e. Handles and offensive iq.
I just hope people arent saying that as
a defense mechanism for how bad he actually is see: ukic, roko.
And Im developing a man crush on douby. Its great to have a guy towards the end of the bench who can come in and light it up at any given time.
Do we really expect more that far down on the depth chart?
Okay im tred of people gushing over Quicy freaking Douby hes 25 playing against 19 year olds. HES SUPPOSED TO BE DOMINATING. The summer league is meant for Rooks and Sophs to come in and just refine some skills and work with coaches. This will be his 4th year coming up so there must be a reason why he is still in the Summer League. If you dont remember there was a guy who put up good numbers in the Summer League last year.. what was his name? I think it was Joey Graham.. What happend to him?
“It probably took me two or three years, but I went there when I was 19,” said Bosh, who played one season at Georgia Tech after helping Lincoln to a state title. “I was fresh out of college. I was used to roommates and guys knocking on the door, saying where the frat party was. “But I love Toronto. And Toronto loves me.” Dallas Morning News
“I think Dirk is a bona fide superstar,” Bosh said. “I think he’s always going to be cemented in this system.” Could Bosh see a way to fit his game to Dirk’s? While it would be problematic on the defensive end, together, the two could pose nightmares for other teams when the Mavs have the ball. “When things have to work, you can make them work,” Bosh said. “In Toronto, we have to improvise to make things work. So it always depends on the situation.” Dallas Morning News
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Bosh for Dirk ???? YES YES YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Euro-Raptor Dirk … Derozan for Belinelli too … YEAH …!!!!!
Toronto is NOT an American city … Ignatieff may be an American but Toronto ain’t …!!!!
BOSH DISSES RATPORS:::
“When things have to work, you can make them work,” Bosh said. “In Toronto, we have to improvise to make things work. So it always depends on the situation.”
One thing you have to consider regarding DeRozan’s defense/rebounding is that due to his size and athleticism, both of those things have come very easily to him in the past. It’s quite difficult to challenge yourself defensively when you can lock down the vast majority of your opponents with ease, as he was able to do in high school and college.
Now, with the jump in overall athleticism, it becomes more about effort and technique than it ever has been for him before.
This is pretty common, as has been mentioned earlier in these comments. Guys who are athletic freaks or lockdown defenders in college almost always take time to adjust, because there is really no way around relying on your athleticism in the college setting. His college coaches aren’t going to force him to develop NBA-ready defensive techniques and instincts, because he’s already an elite defender at that level due to athleticism, and they’re most likely tending to other kids on the team that struggle on the defensive end.
That said, I’m more than willing to overlook some early deficiencies in technique and effort, because it will take some time for him to adjust to the new all time high effort level he’s expected to put out.
If we’re addressing these same problems 8 months from now, then I’ll be legitimately concerned.
Completely agree.
I do have concern, though, that once the kid hits Toronto full time the media may put undue pressure on him, hence BC’s quick jump at the press conference to immediately quell the “next Vince Carter” tag. As a young (very young) kid, he is going to over exert on his own, forget about a media spotlight.
This is one of the reasons I was hoping he would be trying to zero in on defense in SL and do hard sets against guys who are hungry. Then I go on the other side and trust Alex English’s opinion of the guy and figure all will be okay.
End of the day, I just hope he doesn’t get rattled early on and have it shake his confidence on the other side of the ball.
Word is that Carlos Delfino is asking for $5mil a season, Raptors are offering $4mil.
Seems a tad bit high!!! How many years do you know alt raps???
How is his shoulder injury?
Should the team be worried??
I was thinking 3.5 to 4ish….
where did you here that? Is there a link of some sort?
arggg… 3 mil seems about right…anything more than 3.5 seems like it could really come back to haunt us.
has everyone forgotten what he has(nt) done? where as an nba player has he even shown he deserves that much?
i understand we cant sign klieza so im ok with delfino being the guy….but id rather pray we score someone like matt barnes with whats left of the mle as opposed to throwing that much at someone whos becoming more and more superfluous with each backcourt member we aquire (i.e. jack and wright).
$4mil sounds reasonable. Delfino isn’t worth $5.
If douby becomes like louis Williams,,, Ill be happy
Link for summer league game:
http://atdhe.net/7978/watch-summer-league-toronto-vs-phoenix
THANKS!!
something is wrong with the volume.
Delfino is coming back. Rasho is coming back. Quincy Douby is the Summer League’s MVP. Cito is in charge of the Blue Jays again. Last years team was Colangelo’s best ever. Demar Derozan is the next Vince Carter. Jermaine O’Neal will give us rebounding and toughness. TJ is our starting point guard. Jarret Jack is Chris Bosh’s best friend. We think Chris will resign with us. We’re going to try and sign Shawn Marion. No, we’re going to trade him for our real target – Hedo Turkoglu. Jason Kapono will help stretch the defense. Jay Triano is our interim coach, unless he proves he can post a .333 winning percentage, in which case we can take the word “interim” out of his title. Nothing is too good for this franchise. While we’re at it, can we bring Alvin Williams back as an assistant coach? And outbid everybody for Bargnani at 50 million? Everything is going according to the master plan. Its only a matter of time until we get that cripple McGrady back. Its the summer of BC, don’t you know.
This franchise is schezophrenic. Players seem to come and go out through a revolving door – sometimes, as in the case of Delfino and Rasho, the same players can come, go, and then come back again within a matter of months. Every year half the roster is shipped away, while the other half wonders whether another coaching change will be made before the Allstar break. What is the plan? When will it stop?
You forgot a few things:
Drafted Damon Stoudemire. Damon won ROY. Drafted Vince Carter. Vince won ROY. Traded for Antonio Davis and JYD. Vince won the dunk contest. Won a playoff series on a clutch J from Alvin Williams, always a fan fave. Vince went to grad, came back, played a fantastic game and nearly sent the team to the Eastern Finals. Resigned AD, JYD, Boogie, Vince. Vince on the cover of SI as a Raptor. Highest all-star vote getter. Drafted Chris Bosh. Hired Sam Mitchell, who got the best out of a team with questionable talent. Won a Division title. Smitch won COY. Resigned Bosh. Drafted Bargnani. Signed all the top 4 players on the team (save Bosh) to deals extending for the next 4 years. Have had EIGHT players make the first-team all rookie in 14 years. Bosh 2nd team All-NBA.
OR
We have an all star caliber PG in Jose Calderon
We have a promising new SG who could be a future star
We have a good SF who has shown to be clutch and better in 4th quarters
We have an all star PF who is still very young
We have a center who went from villian to 17 pts a game and has a huge upside
We have a bench that Colangelo is still working that is all ready better with Jack and will be much improved by the start of the season
We have GM who after he turned this team around into back to back playoffs followed by 1 poor season and basically got rid of the entire team except there 3 best players and has had one of the best offseasons in the league.
We have the new fan favorite who you will here the loudest cheers coming from the ACC this season when he power slams Wince Carter to the floor
REGGIE REGGIE REGGIE
We have exciting PLAYOFF basketball most likely to be fired up about this season
We have a core that is still very young.
We have a coach who Steve Nash thinks is better then slice bread and who the team loves.
We have the best sports team in this city. (I know that does not say a lot right now but it is what it is)
We have a team that most fans are fired up about.
We have a team that could surprise
We have a team that could shock the world baby if Derozan is what we think he can be within 2-3 seasons
We have a team that gives hope and promise and potential to be very fun to watch and a super elite team in the very near future (Derozans progress)
We have a team who is capable of setting a franchise record in wins
We have our team.
The 2009 Toronto Raptors!!!