He didn’t get the trophy for yesterdays coup d’etat, but hedeserves it in my book.
Let it not be said that BryCo doesn’t do work. In what is the craziest trade this franchise ever made, B.C. Colangelo turned Marion, Humphries and Uni-brow (Douby) into Hedo (don’t call me Hedu) Turkoglu, Devean George, Antoine Wright while being able to keep our mid-level exception (actually they have just under $8mil to sign whoever they want – Twitter source – I’m not going to verify, but take at face value -> at the very least we have the mid-level).
To Toronto:
Hedo Turkoglu (Orlando)
Devean George (Dallas)
Antoine Wright (Dallas)
Mid-Level Exception: $5.6mill+ (Jah)
To Dallas:
Shawn Marion (Toronto)
Kris Humphries (Toronto)
Greg Buckner (Memphis)
To Orlando:
Trade Exception: $10mill (Jah)
To Memphis:
Jerry Stackhouse (Dallas)
Quincy Douby (Toronto)
Cash (Cuban’s left pocket)
Oh, and we didn’t have to rescind our offers to Carlos and Pops. Now, if we can do something about Banks, we might actually have a team that can win some games on our hands. That all sound about right?
Clearly last nights heroic interpretation of the CBA and shrewd deal-making has the left the Raptors much better off then if they just went out and signed Turkoglu (thank God for the week between July 1st and the cap being announced, or I shudder to think…). If Carlos and Pops accept their qualifying offers (whatever they are), the Raptors will look something like this:
PG – Calderon / Ukic / Banks
SG – Delfino / DeRozan / Wright
SF – Turkoglu / George / Wright
PF – Bosh / Evans / Pops
C – Bargnani / O’Bryant / Jawai
AND you have to include the mid-level in there somewhere, ALSO, we could be in line for our bi-annual exception, about $2mil (LLE) … depending on league approval on the details of the furry of movements taken place. (There you go, mid-level + bi-annual exceptions = under $8mill, there, above Twitter source is verified, thanks Gagan) I would look at bringing into a REAL backup point guard [Royal Ivey], a wing [Linas Kleiza] and possibly a center [Rasho Nesterovic]. We would have to definitely get rid of Banks and maybe one of Jawai/O’Bryant to accommodate these three, but just imagine:
PG – Calderon / Ivey / Ukic
SG – Delfino / DeRozan / Wright
SF – Turkoglu / Kleiza / George
PF – Bosh / Evans / Pops
C – Bargnani / Nesterovic / Jawai
That is a pretty solid team that would be in the 45-49 (I just have a hard time saying 50 wins because our coaching is…lacking…) fighting for 5th/6th in the East, and who I would be proud to blog/tweet for :). Even Chris approves.
On another quick note, the Magic get a $10mill trade exception??!?!?!!!????? That is ridiculous…they can pretty much acquire whoever they want, under $10mil of course, during the season…the list is almost endless…but, imagine they go after Josh Smith (who Atlanta is reportedly shopping), and field a starting lineup of: Nelson, Carter, Lewis, Smith and Howard…LOL
Let it not be said that I can’t eat crow with the best of them…I forgot to include crucial info in my Tuesday’s post, some of you ripped me a new one (thanks for keeping me on my toes), and some of you stood by me (thanks for being good peoples).
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What a crazy ass turn of events, I cannot believe that we got depth at small and guard (who if they dont work out have expiring contracts) and likely 8 million to spend overnight. Man I must have woke up on the right side of the bed this morning. Bravo Mr. Colangelo, Bravo.
Kakow! Great way to start the day! Just brilliant work. This is the benefit to having a GM that takes action, is creative and works his butt off. More often than not he’ll get good things done. And he’ll work hard to make right anything that didn’t work out….constantly moving those feet forward. Don’t think that the players/agents around the league don’t appreciate the crazy work he did here to put his team in a better position moving forward, AND to help for Marion as well. Are you watching Chris Bosh?
I am bouncing off the walls. wow.
What about grabbing marvin williams and throwing the bi-annual at rasho?
I would LOVE Marvin Williams with the MLE.
I’m not sure if you can go after restricted free-agents with the MLE. Anyone know?
I believe it works as any other restricted free agent in that the other team has the ability to match the offer, ie. Marcin Gortat is a RFA but is getting the full MLE with Toronto.
Also I’ve heard this go both ways now, apparently we can still sign Parker, Delfino, Pops AND still have our exceptions.
No way can Williams be had for the MLE, Atlanta would match that in a heartbeat…although I would love it.
I asked this in the previous article/posting, but I thought I’d throw it out here too: Were the rights to Delfino (and Pops) renounced??? If so, I don’t understand why BC would not have waited on this, until the very moment of signing Turk. Or did the rights have to be renounced at a certain time, lest they could not be renounced later???
It would’ve been great to keep their rights, then have the whole MLE and BIE to throw at players. We could even use it up on players (Kleiza, backup PG, another wing maybe) and then use a minimum contract with Rasho.
We rescinded the rights to Delfino and Pops. I could be wrong (and probably am, as the CBA is one complicated piece of work), but I believe we can sign someone to the MLE and Bi-Annual, and then re-sign Delfino and Pops using their bird rights.
I think we rescinded our offer to Delfino. I’m not sure if that automatically means we rescinded our rights.
So that would mean we DON’T have to use the MLE on Delfino…or Pops, right?
I think so.
Pretty certain all the “rescinded” talk is due to a misinterpretation of what BC said yesterday – referred to possibly rescinding the QO’s that Pops and Delfino got, Pops’ a few days ago, if needing the cap room.
Personally, I’m about 99% sure Delf will be back.
wholy crap this is amazing!
Just wow, Colangelo has done what I though was impossible. Maybe, if the season turns out good, he deserves our respect.
Wow. I don’t think any of us trying to figure out what the Raptors should do next could have come up with something this good. Bravo sir. Bravo.
Man o Man! BC is a genius folks! I’m sorry haters, but the fact that he could do this as Raptors GM justifies this notion. Do you think Glen, Babcock or sorry ass Isiah could have orchestrated what BC in one week, let alone one month or year. Kudos to Colangelo! Hopefully the BC haters will stick todays’ move in their craw. But this is the most important part…. GO RAPTORS!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone who still states Bryan Colangelo is an average President/GM in the NBA needs to pack up their Lego Blocks and hitch the first ride out of town.
JAH! Rastafari.
Pickin’ up!
Now if BC can deal with Banks and (possibly) George I will personally buy him the biggest collar he has ever seen!
What is the value of Banks and George together? Can they net us anything if packaged?
zero value, we would only be taking a bad contract in return…if we reach…maybe we could turn those two into Jamal Tinsley and satisfy our backup pg situation, and still have about $8mil left to work with.
Jamal Tinsely is a terminal locker room cancer. The Raps should stay far far far away. However, I would love them to try and sign Jarrett Jack off the Pacers. I have my doubts about Delfino’s fit with the club now that they have Antoine Wright. I think its best to go after a guy like Jack, so the Raps can have solid PG play for 48 mins.
Agreed, I was just trying to paint a picture of what a banks/george combo would fetch in return.
jack would be next to impossible to get, but i like him a lot. we should have drafted him when we had a chance…would have helped to keep bosh happy.
Delfino still has fit with the club, definitely. And, if I understand this correctly, he can be resigned without using the MLE.
JUst say no to Tinsley and Marquis Daniels. BC ain’t gonna bring in anyone that could even remotely mess this us.
Repetita iuvant: Colangelo just crafted a masterpiece during these first days. Intelligence, right timing, creativity, valor.
And to be entertained by b-ball affairs at this level during the off-season is something very rare. Great GM, great management, great moves on the market, stronger coaching staff, all premonitory signs of great seasons to come. Ace!
you took the words right out of my mouth..great job BC!
conlangelo is still a bad gm . the turkoglu signing was horrible. guys a overated shooter with bad shot slection. on top of that, this team didn;t need more offence and soft euros, it needed more athleticism and defence on the perimeter
10 mil for a 5 mil player. nobodys gonna take turkoglu off the teams hands if they decide to trade him . you don’t pay 10 mil per for a player that dont draw a double on his best night.
Your an idiot; every other educated Raptors fan is excited by the smart moves our GM has just pulled off and you wine…..typical toronto fan.
Completely agree. Most Toronto fans are just conditioned to be negative. But even the Haters have to be quiet today!!!!!
who over rates this guy as a shooter? I don’t think there are too many here who thinks he shoots the lights out….
give me a break.
open your eyes , learn from the past.
this is exactly like last year when every raptor is soo certain colangelo is making the right moves when really he’s not.
blind clowns, offence was never the problem. rebounding, perimter defence, hustle. Turk solves none of these problems, he only makes them worse.
guys on the decline, a 30 year old with 1 allstar calibre season and now with a 5 year unmoveable contract.
Can’t draw doubles, too slow but paid as if he does
can’t play defence, too slow but aquired as if he can
Horrible move and once again most toronot fans are too blind and blinded by there biases.
I think you may have the “biases” mixed up here….
I quote “this team didn;t need more offence and soft euros
Thats like the slave owner call Abe Lincoln a racist….
yup, i’m white and colangelo has turned me against my own race with this white, softy, euro garbage nonsense. this is basketball and colangelo feels the need to go agianst the trend and opts to make this team as european and soft as possible.
its pathetic, its boring and slow basketball and it doesn’t fit into the running game which brian claims he wants every year.
oh gee, who’s the next white unathletic euro aquisition gonna be. i’m sure hes gonna help this team that can’t stop anybody on the perimeter. Mouthguards all around, nobody wants to break a nail on this team besides evans and he has no basketball talent
the biggest question.
Who’s gonna take turk off the raptors handswhen colangelo realizes what a mistake he’s made. answer, maybe portland but i doubt it because he is vastly overpaid
LMAO doesnt attract a double team on his best nights – really? Hedo can absolutly catch on fire and seems unstoppable with his little step back he has.
Success has nothing to do with whether a team has European, American, black or white players on the team, but whether those players are skilled and able to win basketball games. San Antonio’s nucleus consists of European players (Parker and Ginobli) and look at the success of that franchise.
Did you even watch the playoffs this year? Turkoglu was the go to guy and arguably best player on a team that took the Lakers to 6 games and could have conceivably won the championship had a couple things gone their way.
Well said. Somebody’s always gotta bitch way more than necessary. With Delfino, Wright, and DeRozan we actually have some guys who can play decent perimeter d. Definitely need a backup pg. Bring back Rasho! His kid is Canadian and he’ll sign here for less.
Who is this guy? Don Cherry? Loosen up the tie jerk face and let us true Raps fans enjoy a great day in the franchises history.
1) We just signed the best free agent in the history of our team
2) Our GM has proven once again a shrewd basketball mind, who will do his best to help this team win
3) We did not get fleeced in a bad deal again
I myself have no problem seeing 4 white foreign players starting for the Raptors. The Celtics for decades were predominately white and won a lot then. Hedo is not one dimensional at all. He brings a buzzer beater game winner mentality and causes huge match up problems for other teams. Bargnani beefs up again this summer and he can be a true center, maybe even the best one in the East this year besides Howard. Delfino is gutsy and defends strong. I don’t need to talk about a healthy Calderon’s merits. Mr. Bosh I think you need to seriously consider coming out and saying what LeBron is saying, that you are not leaving your team!
Plus now we have an extremely talented young wing from our draft in DD. A bruiser in Evans. Some decent bench guys in George, Wright, Ukic and Douby. Not to mention the Mid Level Exception is still available to us. Which may bring Rasho back to us, another big white euro for this idiot to hate on.
After last years debacle BC knew he needed to make wholesale changes and well he has done more than any other GM for the Raptors ever did to fix it. He didn’t give up our best 3 players and he added another guy to make 4 possible All-Star caliber players for the 2009-10 season. Remember NBA experts were only down on us acquiring Hedo because it would kill our bench. Now it hasn’t so what is not to love!
Technically, your point 1) is incorrect now. We traded for Hedo, we didn’t sign him as a free agent.
You can thank Otis Smith for one hell of a early Christmas gift to us Raptors supporters.
When the Magic play at ACC this year, all of you should be standing up applauding them (including Vince, since he made Hedo expendable) and thanking them for saving this season.
Colangelo was involved, but the trade was not his doing completely.
A 27 Win season [2005-2006] was followed by wholesale changes [including the No. 1, overall, Draft Pick] and then a 47 win rebound year [2006-2007]; which was then followed by a 41 win season [2007-2008], a gigantic swing for the fences [in the off season] and, then, a 33 win season [2008-2009].
IMO, any Raptors fan who is feeling overjoyed at the developments of the past 2 weeks is looking at the situation through a specific set of rose-coloured glasses.
Which is not to say that this was a bad deal by any stretch of the imagination … only that, the persepctive which you have on it depends almost entirely on your particular reference point.
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I, for one, am very interested in seeing what the Raptors’ line-up will look like on Oct 31 … in comparison with the other top contending teams in the Eastern Conference.
Instead of pointing out everything you think is shitty about our GM and team, offer some reasonable solutions. Name us some other plausible moves. if that’s out of the question, please name me a better GM you’d have replace Bryan, someone who isn’t already employed by a winning team and who would be willing to come here? It’s easy to point out everything that goes wrong or why something won’t ever work out.. but what are your solutions??
If this team is such a nightmare and Bryan is SOOOOO terrible, then stop watching and the rest of us will stay positive about this season and our proactive GM. credit where credit is due.
Well said!
This trade is such sweet news. I got to say waking up to your favorite team making a trade like this is definitely the second best way to wake up.
LOL!
To ALL THE BC HATERS OUT THERE, suck a huge one this morning.
Wow, what a trade! This is probably the most complicated deal that I have ever seen the Raptors be a part of. And to come out of this offseason with a SF who the team can give the rock to in the 4th quarter to play 2 man bball with Bosh, a young SG who’s upside is as good as T-Mac’s was when he came to TO, AND somehow find a way to keep the MLE and Bi Annual Exception, Bryan needs to take a bow!
Raps are easily in the second tier of the East and will be battling ATL, Miami, and Philly for the 4-5 spots.
I think Atlanta has the 4th spot down, 5th/6th with miami and philly sounds about right though.
and bc deserves to take a bow, i had zero faith in him based on his raptor history.
I’d put us on par with Atlanta
I give Atlanta the edge because their core group has been playing together longer, but we aren’t far behind. A quick start out of the gates, and that 4-10 spot will be pretty competitive.
If the rumours of Josh Smith leaving town are accurate (Orlando might use that $10 mil trade exception), I would think the Raptors would be the better team – of course, depending on what Atlanta gets back (though, there’s nothing feasibly tradeable on the Magic that would make Atlanta a better team).
Of course, “rumours”, was probably an ill-advised choice of word. “Hypothetical” probably would have been a better one, considering Raps Fan was hypothesizing, not, um, you know, rumouring. :P
Do not count the Bulls out of contention. They will insert Salmons into Ben Gordon’s spot. Heinrich will come off the bench. Deng is healthy. And they can trade Ty Thomas’ expiring contract. And who knows how fast Rose will develope!
That lineup is as good as anyone else in the second tier.
True….I see a good rivalry developing between the young teams in Toronto, Atlant and Chicago. In 3 years these could be the top 3 teams in the East.
yeah but they said that back in 06 about the raptors and bulls and they dissapointed the next year so lets not get ahead of ourselves
*******PAPER BAG OVER HEAD__________ NO MORE!!!!
BC. Balls the size GrapeFruits! I love the fact he’s hasn’t been afriad to pull the trigger at any point during his time here in Toronto. If BC was at a casino I bet he’d just keeps rollin’ the dice until he got 7! Let’s see that smile BC.
I just know people are going to find a way to criticize, but that’s just the complainers of the world. When you pull off moves like that you deserve a pat on the back.
Thanks BC for not being a coward! Thanks RaptorRepublic for keeping this Web-Site alive during the Raptors darkest hour.
I heard we’re getting Rasho back….? would be a good center off bench and we know he likes Toronto.
I dont think we need to lump all Toronto fans into one pile just because of one commentors cynicism. 99% of us are thrilled about this deal. The other 1% are gonna complain just so they can say I told you so. A definite sign of weakness of character…
This move is terrible because NOW I HAVE TO WAIT ALMOST 5 MONTHS FOR THE RAPS TO HIT THE HARDWOOD and I can’t take the wait.
I said it before and I’ll say it again, Colangelo is a WAY better GM than you. Thank ch.rist for that.
What’s sad here is that every beat writer in Toronto missed this coming. What I mean is, they didn’t even offer it up as a possibility. How sad is that? Everybody said “Marion sign and trade in the works” and not one hump mapped that back to the Turkoglu deal. If sign and trade is good for both parties, i.e. Toronto and Orlando – both got huge benefit from it – then how and why didn’t even one beat reporter suggest it? They missed that possibility and they should be embarassed by their ignorance. It was as plain as day and sitting right there – particularly because there was all that Marion sign and trade talk going on.
Anyway this is great news. The best news in a long time. Hey if all we’re sitting on is one lousy contract – banks – then consider yourselves lucky. The Jays just released a $15 million a year man for NOTHING. Banks’ 3 mill is zero to worry about. Look at the depth here? It is sickening. If they can’t win with their 09/10 lineup, then they can’t win.
re. our intrepid beat grunts – not sure that’s overly fair, every story i read seemed to insist that smith wasn’t interested in a S&T involving hedo. now, the assumption, i guess, was that he wasn’t interested in getting marion…getting creative, adding multiple teams to the mix – yeah, someone should’ve broached that.
oh, banks’s contract is, i believe, in the $4.5M & $5M neighbourhood, this year & next.
Grange, Smith and Chisholm have been great at explaining the cap and possible trade ideas this off season. This was an almost impossible deal to work out. Thank god for BC!
4.6 and 4.8, just for the record.
Ugh.
There was a post about a similar four way deal involving Toronto, Dallas, OKC, and Orlando in the Toronto Sun…
What’s truely amazing, is that the RealGM forums came up with a deal that was very similar to what actually happened. There’s a first and last time for everything I guess.
Bravo Colangelo.
Ivey is disaster, one of the worst PGs in entire league. I’m aware that there’s plenty of PGs better than Ukic around (though not many with bigger upside) … but really Ivey … what can I say … he is kind of fun to watch (unless he plays for you team, of course), Matt Freije of the PGs.
Marvin Williams is pure shooter softy. And Raptors just acquired starting SF. Even if Starvin’ Marvin wouldn’t be too soft to play PF, Raptors kind of have starting PF too.
I agree completely about Ivey. He’s not even a good backup. I’d rather have a young, inexperienced, and hopefully improving Roko Ukic.
I’m as happy as the rest of you guys are with this news. Having those two exceptions opens up the possibility that we will have a decent bench next season!
I’m really curious as to what Marvin Williams’s market value is, now.
A bit confused about Delfino’s status, too. Yes, we definitely rescinded the offers to Delfino and Pops – those words came straight from BC’s mouth. Do we have their bird rights, though? If we could use those exceptions, plus retain one or both of Pops and Delfino, that’d be mint.
Have faith in BC!
This is a shrewd move to say the least! According to ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4314637) the Raps did NOT renounce their rights to any free agents, since they wouldn’t have to do that until they officially signed Turkoglu.
We are now free to resign Delfino and Mensah-Bonsu. Parker has apparently signed with Cleveland.
I don’t think Wright/George will do much for us, but their expiring contracts could be packaged together to get a player making up to $4.35M, or player(s) making up to $10.04M if they were packaged with Banks. I think a team like NY or NJ or Miami, who are looking to clear cap space for next summer, would be happy to trade a decent backup PG for the 2 expiring contracts (ie: Wright/George to NJ for Keyon Dooling).
We can use our MLE to go after a SF like Kleiza and use the veteren minimum to go after a C like Nesterovic.
How sweet would this lineup look?!!
STARTERS: Bargnani, Bosh, Turkoglu, DeRozan, Calderon
BENCH: Nesterovic, Evans/Mensah-Bonsu, Kleiza, Delfino, Dooling/Ukic
EXTRAS: O’Bryant, Jawai, Banks
I don’t get why anybody would put DeRozan in as the starting 2. Dude hasn’t played a minute, and was drafted on future potential, not current readiness. Don’t put the cart before the horse!
Agreed! You need to EARN your role as a starter in this league, not have it handed to you. That being said, I hope DeRozen get’s a lot of minutes so that he has the chance to develop, but let him start with the second unit, playing against OTHER second units (that’s the key).
Wright is a defensive ace, but almost useless on the other end. I could see him starting, mainly because he would draw the opposing teams best wing player.
I’m not celebrating anything until I see some names being signed.
On a personal note this deal would make me redo the Raptors roster on NBA 2k9……Not looking forward to that :P
lazy ass if you have time to upgrade your NBA 2k9 roster, then just do it and quit whining.
You know you wanna try out the new look Raps, so just change it, save it on the memory card and STFU!
Wow.
Can we please not resign delfina?
I think we should be looking for:
An efficient LOW post scorer/defender, a real backup pg or a high scoring combo who can get to the ft line, and klieza (may he be the only euro of the proposed bunch).
If we end up with only delfina and rasho I will feel like we didn’t maximize this incredible
opportunity.
“If we end up with only delfina and rasho I will feel like we didn’t maximize this incredible opportunity”…good point!
Before this sign and trade I was hoping that BC would find a way to bring bacc Delfino and tha talk of goin after Rasho was intriguing…but know that BC has pulled tha trigger and made some great moves and has got about 8 mil to sign some role players, it would be a shame if he didnt consider going after some better suited/talented players…some interesting possibilities out there
Very excited about tha coming season
I’m seriously getting sick of all the “Euro” hate on this site. I didn’t know the Don Cherry school of toughness applied to basketball.
I guess the Raptors next move should be to get some good ol’ tough Canadian boys like Jamaal Magloire, Joel Anthony, Carl English, and Samuel Dalembert?
Come on guys we’re better than stereotyping Euros as unable to win or being soft, because there’s plenty of evidence to the contrary. Pau Gasol was in my opinion the key to the Lakers championship, and anyone who wants to talk about European players being soft should have a talk with Jorge “No doctor its alright, I’d like to stay awake while you operate on my broken leg” Garbajosa
/end rant
actually, guy, i wasnt implying that “euros” are soft or cant win…
bargnani and turk are the two things im most excited about on this team…
i personally think that having that many players from different countries creates quite a communication barrier for a team that already has trouble even making eye contact with each other.
and while i think its great that we are trying to load the team up nicely with quality players regardless of country, it would be wise to show the american ballers that this city and team isnt just a place for european players to be exiled.
Fair enough bearvon, my comments were kind of directed towards everyone as a whole, as I’ve seen a few snide remarks here and there about European players, and I think what I perceived you meant was the straw that broke my camel back.
I don’t think the communication barrier is much of an issue, all of our European players speak english pretty well, I was actually surprised by Roko last year. I forget which game it was, I think it was against the Celtics, but they interviewed him at half and he had my favorite quote by a Raptors player “For some reason they don’t think I can dribble with my left hand”
no worries…i can understand where the frustration would come from.
they all speak english dude!!!
yes, they do.
Plus… around July 1 we got Alvin Willaim back! He a assistant of some kind, but he’ll bring some hard work eithics to the team I’m sure. I sure players will look up to Alvin “PUT IT ALL ON THE LINE” Williams!
(Not sure if this was previously mentioned)
I would be willing to bet most of the players on the raptors today don’t even know who alvin williams is.
I would agree… but if they don’t know the Legend of the Point Guard who sacrificed he knees for the Toronto Raptors and never gave up, I sure they will learn…. they will learn.
Aw come on Alvin hasn’t been out of the game that long! Seriously?
maybe DD, Ukic, and Evans don’t know him, but you know Bosh, Bargnani, Turkoglu, Calderon, Delfino, etc. do.
And if any of the guys don’t, I’m sure that they can You Tube him or go into the Raptors archives at the ACC to get an idea of what he is all about.
As for the Hedo Hate I keep hearing, anyone dissing him, I say this; if you are able to average close to 20 pts. in the NBA finals and help run after Kobe too then maybe you can say something worth a crap.
Lets not all forget the fact that we have Iavaroni now. Not to mention, him and Triano have the players trust AND a full preseason camp!
To all tha haters ready to crucify BC…shame on you!
Great moves by BC we get Hedo, KEEP our MLE AND Bi-annual, KEEP our rights to delfino, pops and parker (tho he reportedly signed with tha cavs). Bring
in another big with tha MLE or bi-annual to backup C or PF positions and possibly Kleinas and we should be in good position to win about 47-49 as long as we get good coaching from triano!
So here is what I see next:
1) Sign Delfino (doesn’t use up any of the MLE or BAE)
2) Sign free agents using the MLE/BAE: Kleiza, backup PG, a knockdown shooter
3) Sign Rasho to a minimum/vet contract (also not using the MLE/BAE).
Does that make sense?
I’d rather have Barnes
Probably more realistic to get Rasho with the BAE.
I wonder if this will be the new “best team ever assembled in Toronto”.
Bryan will never utter that phrase again, regardless of it is or isn’t, lol.
82-0, baby!
2nd in the East. PLAYOFFS here we come. CONTENDERS!!!
I’m sure FAQ will remind everyone eventually: the new BC All Star cast will need time to “gel”. No?
Haha….you were right
What a sweet trade. When I looked and saw BC turned Marion’s quickly decaying corpse and Humphires (whose offensive rebounding will be missed, tho not his offensive choices) into Antoine Wright and the 5th guy on that Lakers team, well I almost shit myself.
Antoine Wright is a very good player, a good defender on the wing, cheap AND young. Really? We got him?
Joel Anthony as backup center? He’s not great but he’s a hometown boy…Rasho “The Human Iceberg” will cost too much.
Brevin Knight as backup PG? I watched a Clippers-RAps game last year at the ACC and the guy is still really quick & very smart.
Still need a decent 3 as a backup tho could still go small as a backup unit, rotate bosh and bargs at the center with ukic, derozen and some combo of delfino/evans/pops.
Humphries is much better than both the scrubs we got back.
Not much better, but I would say a little bit better. The point was that he was completely redundant so BC flipped him into some wing players who may or may not be serviceable.
Once again he turns a definite nothing into possibly something.
I’ll admit Humpheries has been one of my favorite Raptors over the last two years but the truth is his shot selection is terrible. Yes he’s a big body but I feel like he’s hit his ceiling and I’m surprised anyone was going to take on his contract (especially considering it goes beyond 2010…)
Yes, George is a scrubs of the most scrubiest kind but his deal expires soon. I do like Wright a good deal. right now he’s Dhantany Jones lite and will get better.
According to Hollinger
Antoine Wright- “He also was the NBA’s unofficial leader in stepping out of bounds on the sideline, doing this seemingly any time he caught a ball near the edge.”
I was hoping we could find a replacement for the loss of Kapono’s production in that area
LMFAO + 1
Best comment ever
Yikes! Well hopefully Antoine won’t be in the game too much until he learns the literal “parameters” of the game. maybe he could be our 11th guy on the bench?
A lot will depend on FA signings, but what a difference a day makes…
I was in the camp that thought BCo should have held on to JO’s expiring contract – I was wrong.
I was in the camp that thought the only way to turn this thing around was to trade Bosh for young talent and draft picks – I was wrong.
My new pipe dream: BCo trades someone signed to the midlevel, expiring contracts, a pick or two and some filler for Gerald Wallace (I know, a longshot, but Charlotte is apparently looking to shed salary…)
Assume that Bosh will leave for max money somewhere and BC will definitely not offer Bosh max money .. maybe 5years/$100Mil at most and depending on what he does next season. If he doesn’t produce and is not a winning factor, he could be traded mid-season. Then there is Bosh’s personal desire to play on a championship team with Lebron or Wade .. and leave Toronto behind with no regrets.
Stop assuming that Bosh has any obligations to Toronto, and try to apply some empathy for that Texas homeboy .. which I’m sure he misses living in Toronto.
FAQ,
If you watch today’s press conference with Bryan Colangelo and Hedo Turkoglu, what you should be able to see confirmed is exactly what I’ve been telling you and others for the last 2 seasons … i.e. Bryan Colangelo has every intention of re-signing Chris Bosh to a Max Contract AND Chris Bosh has every intention of re-signing to play with the Raptors, under a Max Contract, after opting out next summer. *smile*
Look I agree that the writing is somewhat on the wall for Bosh in Toronto, but he does have a lot of good reasons to stay other than the money. He truly does love the city of Toronto it is apparent by how many events he is involved in. That big announcement he made recently was about a multimedia deal he made is with a Canadian Company. That work and contract will probably be null and void if he leaves Canada. Plus I dunno about you but I am following Bosh on twitter through facebook and his tweets have been pretty animated this past week, and in a positive way. (other than being sad that Humphries is leaving) I think that much like how LeBron has come out and said he is staying in Cleveland, Bosh may be feeling close to doing that too, after seeing how committed his GM is to getting him a quality team around him. I can’t help but feel like Chris has the same sense of optimism and excitement that Raptor fans felt this morning when they heard the deal went through as brilliantly as Colangelo did it. Anyway the main point is that the Toronto Raptors as an organization are gonna win either way. If Bosh stays we keep him and hopefully he delivers big after we show him the money. If the writing is true and he is gonna leave, I am sure he respects BC enough to give him a heads up and that then the Raps can try to get equal value either this season or next off season via a trade or sign and trade. I just don’t see Bosh dissing the Raps like past guys did. Look what BC did for Marion today, that goes a long way in a player’s eyes. I mean this deal today was one big I wash your back you wash mine fest, between 4 teams, Hedo and Marion really.
Raps should look to sign Oberto with the LLE and try to split the MLE between Keith Bogans and Matt Barnes (2 for Bogans and 3.8 to Barnes with good raises should be enough), and sign Delfino to the QO we hold through retaining his rights
Jose/Ukic/Bogans
Delfino/Derozan/Wright
Turk/Barnes/George
Bosh/Evans
Bargs/Oberto/O’Bryant
Delfino and Bogans would be able to cover some time at the 1 with the other ball handlers we have on our team and both can slash and hit the outside shot. Oberto gives us a quick post defender who can set screens in what will undoubtedly be a motion offence built around perimeter movement.
First of all, Keith Bogans is not a point guard, he’s a swingman, small foward or shooting guard, but a point guard? come on..
Second, if there’s still a way to re sign parker, we should do it, no matter what. If not, this could be the saddest day as a raptor fan, despite this excelent trade BC made.
Third, if we will sign a SF, it should be kleiza and not Barnes, in part because i’m sure barnes will have a lot of offers for the same amount the raps are going to offer and he won’t choose signing with the raps.
Rasho should be a lock as the back up center for next year
Oh, George has a player option in this year contract? if not, he should be waived, maybe keep wright but not as a rotation player, maybe a 11th or 12th guy behind delfino (or DeRozan, i think Carlos should start and the rookie come from the bench), ukic, rasho, pops, ap (or kleiza) and evans.
The best part of this is that DeDe doesn’t have to produce right away, he could serve as last year Trevor Ariza for the lakers, using his great atlethic abilitys to serve as a defensive especialist and an energy guy for this year until he developes into the player we all want him to be
we will keep George, there is a minimum amount of players a team has to have on the roster, also his expiring deal might be worth something at deadline day, stupid to buy somebody out just because they aren’t a number one or two option for you
Parker is gone.
Bogans played the one for Orlando when they would run Hedo as the facilitator? I’m not sure you’re familiar but in todays NBA you don’t have to be a conventional PG to play at the one.
If we ran Bogans at the one.
Bogans – Delfino – Turk – Bargs – Oberto
could be a formidable halfcourt squad to play as our second-unit when Bosh sits. Delfino and Turk do the majority of the play-making while Bogans brings the ball up the court?
Bogans could play in a back court with Ukic with Delfino at the 3 and Turk trying the 4 when we want to play small ball: all four can stretch the floor with outside shooting and all four can handle the ball.
Saying Bogans can’t play pg is like saying Eddie House shouldn’t play pg for Boston?
Bogans can’t play PG. Period. In fact, he’s useless as soon as he crosses halfcourt line. He’s defensive specialist and nothing more.
Nah, he’s also a strong three-point specialist. But I agree, he’s not capable of running the point. Essentially, Bogans = Kapono + defence – (dribble + drive + turnover) + three point shot attempts
That said, any one that is mentioned in the same breadth as JK should automatically be ruled out as an option altogether, let alone an option at point guard. :D
JM,
In this line-up of yours:
Turkoglu is actually the PG [who would check the SF].
Bogans is actually the OG [who would check the PG or OG].
Delfino is actually the SF [who would check the PG or OG].
Oberto is actually the PF.
Bargnani is actually the C.
NBA coaches do not assign positions to players based exclusively on the role they execute defensively, although many fans seem to believe otherwise.
its called play man to man? positions like pg and c are offensive functional terms
heard of cross matching on defence? this is cross functioning on offence
Kobe plays pg for the Lakers in the triangle, you know that right, Fisher just sits around outside and pushes the break
any guard can do these things
Eddie House plays pg for the Celtics, but he does very little “point-guarding” on offence, he only guards the other teams pg on defence
are you people familiar with todays NBA?
Bogans can bring the ball up and hand it off to Turk or Delfino, then guard the pg on the other end
Delfino can bring the ball up as pg, ala Parker last season, or wait for it at half court and run a set
Turk can wait for Bogans to bring the ball up and get into a set play where he becomes distributor
Bogans is essentially playing pg, but doing very little “point-guarding” on offence
not every teams needs a CP3 or Jason Kidd to run the offence
makes perfect sense
JM,
1. In the NBA, players are not designated with positions based on the specific roles they play on the defensive end of the floor.
If Bogans checks the opponent’s PG that doesn’t mean that he is properly understood as being able to play the PG position for his team.
Cross matching on the defensive end of the floor is irrelevant to the observation which was by the original poster, i.e. Bogans doesn’t/can’t play PG.
[btw, I'm not saying that I happen to agree with the observation made by the OP]
IMO, however, the OP is 100% correct, in so-far-as the line-up which you suggested actually has the PG spot being occupied by Hedo Turkoglu, a player who has the capacity to play SF, OG, PG and PF, with varying degrees of success.
2. Sometimes Kobe plays PG for the Lakers. Kobe isn’t the subject in this instance; Keith Bogans is.
3. Eddie House has in fact played the PG position for the Celtics at different times during the past 2 seasons. i.e. With the primary ball-handling responsibilities on offense AND the task of checking the opponent’s PG on Defense.
4. Specific goings-on in today’s NBA, per se, are an irrelevant consideration.
5. IMO, Parker & Delfino can each PG.
“In the NBA, players are not designated with positions based on the specific roles they play on the defensive end of the floor.”
lol this scoming from the guy who was trying to tell everyone Bosh has to be a C because of mismatches….. guess your attitude has changed towards that eh?
Bogans never played PG. His ballhandling is poor, so he will never play it. With Calderon, Turkoglu and Ukic Raptors don’t need any more ballhandlers. At the end, Bogans is very limited player, he’s one or even two tiers bellow players like Delfino, Matt Barnes, even Von Wafer, with such FAs at the market BC will never even think to bring in such poor player like Bogans is. So, enough with Bogans.
uhhhhhhhhhh this is the point, he gives us another option off the bench
he can play the one or the two, throw him out there with at least Delfino and Turk and you don’t necessarily need Jose or Ukic out there as well
I didnt mean he would be playing pg for 25mins a night people, you know how role players go out there and try to do certain things for their ball club?
well if we try to play Delfino as a pg, as we did with Parker this year, and we throw Bogans out there he would be a tough defender who could be used to take a few fouls, hit some spot up shots or give Jose/Ukic a break
its called being creative people: I didn’t mean Bogans was going to be a backup pg, he’s just an option there
the crap about Fisher was explaining, not all pg’s need to play the traditional pg role on offence: Bogans can guard the one, he can bring the ball up, he can hit an outside shot thus to me with the other players we have at the 2/3 we could potentially use him as a “pg/shortest guy on the court” at times
I wouldn’t mind exploring signing Brandon Bass now.
Bass would be one of the tops in my book..
Bass, Klieza, Felton (a long shot), Sessions, Jack, Warrick, Barnes…
Big Baby!???????
I wouldn’t mind exploring signing Brandon Bass now. I’d go after Bass and Matt Barnes and re-sign Delfino. I’m happy with Delfino/Turk/Ukic covering off Jose when he’s off the floor.
Jose/Ukic
Delfino/DeRozan
Turk/Barnes
Bosh/Bass
Bargs/Evans
POB, Jawaii, Banks
Oh ya…and Wright and George at SG/SF
having Bass and Evans would be a little redundent, you either have faith in your undersized workhorse (Evans) or you don’t, it makes more sense to go after a longer less offensively challenged center like Oberto or Rasho
Evans can’t play the 5, at least not for a stretch longer than 5mins, philly always ran him with sammy so he could simply out muscle the other teams 4, this is the same thing Bass has been doing with Dampier at the 5 in Dallas
why sign multiples? Bass would required the full MLE probably, and with Turk/Bargs/Bosh playing on 10mill+ a year contracts its important to find more effective players who will play for the minimum so that we can spend on retaining/acquiring wing spots in the future
you pay Bass the MLE to become a rotation player, not to sign him as Bargs backup to play 10-15mins a night, giving Bargs the extension tells him he gets 35 a night, Bosh will get the same
cliff notes: raps have no interest in Bass
I agree with JM that Evans and Bass is a bit redundant. What we need is either a tall centre like Rasho or a better back up point guard like Keyon Dooling. I personally hope that we get Rasho and Delfino back. Remember folks when these two were on the team we winning a lot and the team was much better. They won’t take any time to gel back into the Raps system also.
Am I alone in hoping we can convince AP to pull a Hedon’t and come back to Toronto. Say what you will about his defence, I’m of the opinion he’s no longer suited to defend teams’ best players, but he’s still a consistent knockdown shooter who can give us minutes at point guard and shooting guard, AP at 2-3 years at around 4 million would be ideal.
imo, AP was always destined to be a 6th man and was essentially mis-used for most of his time in TO. Had he been coming of the bench, I think he could easily have taken on a (clean) Bowen-ish role. Also, maybe if he hadn’t been starting, we might not be talking about him losing a step at this point. I think he’ll excel in that role and can only hope it’ll be in TO. Off the bench, AP could have easily given us what Kapono, Mo-Pete and Joey were all supposed to do (but simply couldn’t) – solid, smart defense and spot up shooting.
I totally agree with you and would go one step further in suggesting that I’d take AP over Delfino any day.
AP should be thankful to the Raptors that we brought him back to the NBA and that the team used him so much to get the contract from the Cavs he will get. I like AP too as a person, but hey I liked Charlie V. and a bunch of other guys we had to move or let go of. I think that AP part in the redundancy of the 2 and 3 positions with Kapono made it apparent that that type of player may not be best for our system. That slashers like DD who go to the hole may do better in our system since we have Andrea, Jose, Chris sometimes and now Hedo shooting outside. Defense and slashing to the rim is what the Raps need from the 2 and Anthony was not the best option. Not to mention the Raps would have probably overpaid to keep him here, if they wanted him still. I also have a feeling that Parker’s skills much like Marion’s are gonna go a bit down hill this year.
lets sign mmarbury now and trade RuPaul for 3 circus midgets and a buttplug!
I think that even if we do bring Delfino back (or whoever else you wanna name) DeDe should still be starting at SG come game 1. It’ll be a huge boost to his confidence if BC shows some faith in the guy, and we’ll have enough bodies behind him that Triano can give him a quick hook if he makes any boneheaded rookie mistakes. Might as well see what he can do and I think he fits the needs of that starting line up perfectly (athleticism, speed, rebounding, toughness).
Also, it would give us a nicely balanced reverse oreo cookie starting line up. Extra cream filling: Yummy!
LOL!
I don’t think whether or not DeRozan starts or not is the biggest issue. Much like Bargnani’s first year, give him in the neighourhood of 18-25 minutes a game whereby he can develop his skills. Yes we’re trying to win now in an effort to prove to CB4 that his best interests lie here, but in my opinion, there is the capacity on this team for both DeRozan to develop and for the Raptors to win now.
That said, I would think that for a person based purely on potential, he has to earn a starting gig, rather than it be handed to him. Triangelo can show their faith in him by giving him minutes, not the starting SG position. He will have to earn that.
Triangelo, good one!
I suppose handing him the starting job right away might send him the wrong message, but he doesn’t seem like the kind of guy to let something like that go to his head.
I see what you are saying about easing him in, but I’ve always thought that the teams with the most stable starting line-up (ideally, 82 games straight with the same starters) are the ones that succeed. That was one of the things Smitch was absolutely idiotic about. You can’t change your starters every few games and expect people to be comfortable in their roles.
You can fluctuate DeDe’s minutes based upon his play, but I still say keep him a starter from the start to the finish.
Unfortunately, the Raptors will be starting the next season with 4-5 new bodies and what is essentially a rebuilt team. Nobody knows if this roster filled with new players will properly jell into a ‘team’ in the upcoming season.
Individually, the new players may sound good, but it takes time before they know each other for game situations and when the season starts. It’s going to be another develop on the job experiment controlled by distinguished coach Triano.
Remember last season when the Raptors had 5 new players and coach Smitch admitting to the media that “we may not be an athletic team, but we are basketball-wise!” … which sealed his fate and departure. Triano’s azz will also be on the line to forge this team of new players into an effective NBA team … let alone reach the playoffs.
Meanwhile Bosh is thrown into the same old same old chaotic situation .. and privately wondering what it would be like to play on a team with a chance to reach a championship … because it certainly is NOT the Raptors for the next several seasons.
I know what you mean, look at that 2007-08 Celtics team, their Big Three took years to properly gel and come together as a team before they won the championship.
I also agree that Bosh would much rather have preferred another year with the distinguished roster of last year.
(Not saying we’re that Celtics team, just saying that every move made by the Raptors doesn’t necessarily have to be the epitome of Muprhy’s Law)
HA! Missed this before I typed my comment earlier.
Oh wait, I did predict this. LOL. Times looked different before.
And I was going to type the same thing earlier. It will be on Triano and the much anticipated “JAY TRIANO TURNAROUND CAMP”, where we are to believe miracles will happen – since that fantastic record he racked up was, you know, clearly the result of not having a full blown camp.
I can see it now, everyone bringing their favourite European/North American dishes. Trading cooking secrets and chatting about many of the places they have all been.
*swirsk voice* AHHHHH…. YOU GOTTA LOVE IT, LEO!!
Obtuse apologies to you FLUXLAND … I should have made reference to your earlier missive on Jell-O and moi … but I can’t seem to bring myself to reading all the ratshit lil’ one-liner blurts by adolescent emotives that now fills this once-erudite forum of bball aficionados … like you and me … alas. I warms my heart that you would harken back to the good ol’ days when this fine forum was a refuge for those who could actually compose a paragraph of thought and thoughtlessness.
But you must be cowering in apprehension/intrepidation/terror over the upcoming season with the melange of new players thrown into the mix … and the tribal honking fans desperately seeking solace in their heroes as the team flounders and flops .. again. But miracles can happen in Raptorland …. so pray!
Now the only outstanding question is: “will he or won’t he … and when” … but maybe that’s 3 questions..??!!!!
(BTW .. have they released you to house arrest .. been a long time since we crossed words ….??)
No worries at all, FAQ. Tis true things have changed around here, and the eleventeen crowd has increased in size, for the Raptors Fan Armada is strong and diluted. Gotta deal with kids, well.. like kids.
I am with you; well founded apprehension with Bryan “SlightOfHand” Colangelo and his Emerald moves. He is clearly in stage 2 in of MLSE/Highway Robbery Operations Manual: Injection of hope and dreams of miracles. I believe in those when I see them. This past season was a tough one to eat, especially when the anticipated train wreck, in fact, happens.
Time is on all of our sides, and it tells no lies. We will see.
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LOL! Yup, got the ankle monitor on and everything. – I was served a lashing on here by Sam, and in off -season mode with NBA.
(theme from Welcome Back Kotter playing in the background)
Gotta agree. Right now I’m sitting beside the Kool-Aid, and I won’t lie: It looks tasty right now but the last glass looked tasty too and man was I sick after that. Gonna wait awhile but it looks good.
The year the Raps won 47 games they had a tonne of newer players. Just because people don’t know each other that doesn’t mean you don’t try in the first place. Yours in the weakest argument yet.
The year the Raptors won 47 games was followed by consecutive seasons with 41 and 33 W’s. When you add these 3 seasons together you get:
121 Ws
125 Ls
.492 Win%
1 Atlantic Division 1st place finish, 1st Round Playoff exit
1 Atlantic Division 2nd place finish, 1st Round Playoff exit
1 failed to qualify for the Playoffs
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After missing the playoffs this past season, the probability was fairly good that this year’s team would be improved and be able to challenge for a playoff spot on the strength of different personnel moves made during this off season.
On the surface, right now, this still seems to be the case.
It is going to be very interesting to see which players are on the Raptors roster when the team breaks from training camp in the fall and how they perform this coming season, and the next, and the next after that.
It’s a long haul up from the basement in the NBA.
Did the Celtics also have quite the climb….
In comparing the Raptors to the Celtics … Are you suggesting that these Raptors now have 3 HOF players, in slots 1, 2 and 3 on their depth chart?
If not, then, perhaps a comparison of that sort is disingenuous on your part.
Yes you are correct in your recap of the past 3 seasons records, but what you say is beside the point. Buddy is trying to use the arguement that bringing in players means you can’t win, which is ridiculous.
At least you must admit that the emerging Raptor roster is the most “bleached” team in the NBA … wonder why …LOL
What’s that supposed to mean?
Uhm, have you seen the Pacers lately?
Besides, why the fuck does that matter?
Man, how many times do you have to bring up that quote? Smitch is long gone.
So you wouldn’t apply Smitch’s famous last words: “they may not be athletic, but they are basketball-wise”, to this possible future Raptor roster I just plucked from Rye’s message above ….??!!!
Jose/Ukic
Delfino/DeRozan
Turk/Barnes
Bosh/Bass
Bargs/Evans
Where’s the ‘NBA muscle beef’…????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not to mention the spaghetti brain trust … Colangelo .. Gherardidi .. Triano .. Iavaroni …… pass the chianti paisan …. LOL
BTW .. would you trade DeDe for Bellineli and .. Azubuike ??!!!!
God no. Bellineli shouldn’t even be in the NBA
FAQ,
Evans & Bass [TBD?] would each qualify as legit NBA muscle.
Exactly.
But khandor … there is no NBA ‘muscle’ on that starting 5 .. and that’s what is missing. Now if Bosh was replaced with somebody with muscle, that would be ideal. You must admit that with that kind of lineup, the scoring should be more evenly distributed, not requiring a 20+pts per game all-star franchise player. Surely you of all people does not fall into the category of a tribal honking fan who needs Bosh to make your life meaningful. Do you have a CB4 jersey secretly stashed away in yer closet .. admit all ..??!!!
As for Belinelli .. I just threw in his name because Gherardini had a man-crush on him when he was drafted. Btw .. what salary does the #9 draft pick command, because I may have erred in throwing in Azubuike in the facetious trade.
Replacing Bosh with more muscle would not significantly improve our rebounding, since Bosh already rebounds at a high rate both defensively and offensively. Nor would it significantly improve our defense, since Bosh, while not the most aggressive defender, is already solid in that regard.
Considering no one else on that starting lineup would be capable of bearing the amount of offensive possessions Bosh currently does at even close to his rate of efficiency, replacing Bosh with more ‘muscle’ would not be the wisest decision.
FAQ,
1. IMO,
Calderon + Wright + Turkoglu + Evans + Bosh
would be superior to
Calderon + Wright + Turkoglu + Evans + Bargnani
2. Have never owned a pro basketball player’s jersey.
3. I leave tribal honking to others. *smile*
Khan I cannot help but say you are still a overly biased idiot in your hate for Bargnani. Apparently you are way smarter than everyone out there in your opinion of Bargnani. Mind you I can see why you would want Evans starting instead of Bargnani…this way it would still be ok for Bosh to hog most possesions as Evans will not take a shot. Get a life and get over it man…Bargnani is here to stay and is our star of the future. I hope when Bosh leaves or gets traded you leave with him.
I think that Bargnani could become our muscle as his career goes on. I know that some people may laugh at this notion, but I have seen dude get angry. He is a legit 7 footer with some quickness, if he just adds some more muscle as his body fills out with age, he could be one scary dude. I know I can hear the laughs from here, but I am being dead serious. Andrea is already getting better with his blocking and his help defense. We know he can block shots too. Plus with Evans on the team now and possibly Rasho(under rated tough guy in the paint), coming back we could have a serious group of paint scrapers.
Paint scraper- bruiser in the paint who puts people on their butts (thus the scrapping) when they come into their lane.
In fact I think Andrea is already more of a bruiser than Pau Gasol, and I say that even after his great performance in the finals.
The apt comparison which I made for Bargnani during his 1st season with the Raptors was with former Detroit Piston Bill Laimbeer, rather than Dirk Nowitzki. If Bargnani can develop that degree of thuggery … which I believe he has within his character already, that just needs to be brought to the surface by Top Notch coaching … he becomes an extremely useful Center in the NBA, whichever team he happens to be playing for.
There has always been a lot to like about Bargnani’s individual game, given his specific strengths and weaknesses, provided you know what to look for, what to disregard and how to use him properly.
As recently well noticed by arsenalist, Smitch coached like drunk Homer Simpson. Forget about Smitch disaster, forget about Babcock disaster, they’re working on ruining some other franchises now.
Just curious what are the Raptors chances of signing Delfino, POP, Rasho and Matt Barnes?
Do the Raptors have enough cap space to sign everyone or do they have to trade?
Its not a matter of cap space, but luxury cap space (assuming TO won’t go past that…and they won’t).
They can easily resign all of those, and likely Kleiza as well. Delfino and POP would not count against the MLE or BAE, and hopefully Rasho comes at a minimum contract so he also won’t count against the exceptions.
That leaves the MLE & BAE to pursue other free agents. Say one of Kleiza, Barnes, Hermann, some version of a utility SG/SF/PF, and a backup vet PG (suggestions?). That should still leave some salary for another player as well. Or maybe go after Marquis Daniels…and while I dismissed it before, could they even score Marvin Williams with the full MLE???
They have the necessary rights and exceptions to sign all those players. Barnes and Delfino are kind of redundant. Especially considering that the Raps already have three SG’s on the roster.
Las Vegas Summer League starts tomorrow, with the Raptors playing on day one. I’m very interested to see what DeRozan can do out there.
That’ll hopefully give us a better idea of what DeRozan can do as a rookie.
Does Summer league really show us anything? I understand the excitment I’m also excited to see what DeRozan can do, but really I’d be shocked if we learn anything we didn’t already know about the kid.
If a guy is great in summer league it doesn’t necessarily translate. Summer league really only shows you something if they guy is terrrible (b/c if you suck in summer league good luck in the NBA).
Last Year Joey Graham was on the Summer League and he was not that good, and he still had to play on the roster in the rotation…..GAWD that was how bad we were last year and desperate for anyone!!
Doug Smith is now saying that it’s Jawai instead of Douby in the deal because of some arcane rule dealing with when you can trade guys whom you sign off of 10 day contracts…I think.
Not that this impacts much, but to swipe a theme from last season’s post-game “Roll Calls,” I’m now worried that the Raps will be “heart-less” this year.
lol
much as it pains me to say it, the trend is clear, the raps should never employ players named nate. good luck jawai.
It’s hard to see the Magic using that $10 million exception given their financial situation (already over luxury tax, losses of $15mil a year before they were even paying the tax), adding another $20 million in costs (after luxury tax) would take a massive commitment from their ownership and is very unlikely. So, I wouldn’t be overly worried about them using the trade exception. Most likely, it’s just going to expire in 12 months time.
I would love to see the Magic use it though, they could build a magnificent team if they were willing to use that trade exception.
Dave,
Bingo!
gee…not doing everything possible to build a championship team? for shame.
+ 2
Check out what Hollinger said:
Orlando gets a protected second-round pick (essentially worthless), some cash, and an $8 million trade exception. To me, it wasn’t nearly enough compensation for letting Toronto up off the mat — Raps were screwed without doing Hedo as a sign-and-trade. Orlando probably won’t even use the exception given that their already a tax team the next two years and still have their midlevel.
Not sure how BCo convinced them…
I disagree with Hollinger. Why wouldn’t Orlando make this move? They’re losing Hedo anyway, and this way they get a couple of assets for nothing. Sure it helps Toronto out, but not at Orlando’s expense. So what’s the issue?
I would imagine there’s some sort of code among GMs that says: if you scratch my ass, next time I’ll scratch yours. Not to suggest any GMs are in bed together, but as long as it doesn’t come across as collusion (ie. Pau Gasol to the Lakers for fuck-all), why wouldn’t they do a good turn in the hopes that the IOU comes back later?
BCo and Smith in bed together scratching each others asses…yummy.
There is that “code” you mentioned about if the GMs are smart and know how to create winners. But if there is a GM that can be eventually and easily screwed over (Babcock and Chris Wallace), the offensive GM can Prison-rape them or Trojan Horse-rape them when they please.
oh christ, when’s the crying gonna start over the loss of another pick…
kinda nice to see jawai included instead of douby. first reaction was that they’d need to shore up the frontcourt depth even more, but considering what jawai was likely to contribute this season (and, likely, down the road – read: fuck all), it’s nice to have a guy like douby in your pocket…either as trade fodder, or as a shooter/specialist off the bench.
still have to wait & see what else happens, though it seems to be taking shape fairly nicely. another wing, another post player would be nice, but a back-up PG (who can legitimately play at the NBA level) would be the coup de grace…
Hedo Turkoglu is wearing #26. Random number if you ask me…
Great number! So far hedo is off to a great start.
Eat that, naysayerzzzz!
it’s his daughter’s birthday.
BTW I dig the new like/dislike buttons. Off topic I know but I wanted to give feedback.
Thank goodness Memphis came in as a team to be used as a tool. Doesn’t it seem now that whenever Memphis is involved in a deal, the other team’s future or present gets better? See Lakers (Gasol), Houston (K. Lowry, Battier), Minnesota (Kevin Love, I believe he is a better team and percentage player), Clippers (minus and dumping Fat Randolph)—> now Dallas, Orlando and Toronto.
Starting to think Mr. Stern may be secretly running the show over in Memphis…for the good of the Association.
No its New York he runs. Meanwhile his crony runs New Jersey.
Here’s the official deal, which is slightly different from what you posted:
http://www.altraps.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2907
That second lineup you posted is brilliant Arse…I think that team goes places.
so, nothing’s on the tube, i’m watching primetime sports. rob faulds/jim kelley. i’m not sure that two supposed ’sports’ figures have known less about a sport in general. embarrassing. neither could pronounce bargnani’s name. inane questions. kelley’s astute observations: that hedo ‘could even’ step outside & hit the 3. thanks for boning up, jim!
What do you expect in hockeytown? BBall will always play second fiddle.
Alot of GM would have just signed Hedo and be done with it and give their excuse on why they can’t do this and that. Mr.Bryan Colangelo went the extra mile and no matter how the season turns out , he has my sincere respect. He takes calculated risks and isn’t afraid of failure. Thank you Mr. Colangelo for giving your all. WE HAVE NEARLY 8 MILLION TO SIGN MORE PLAYERS and MLE for next year as well to add pieces.
Why doesn’t the raps try to sign Flip Murray. He can handle the ball as PG and play off-guard. He can be our JR smith off the bench (but with better control). He is a decent enough defender and with the hawks signing Bibby they wont need him anymore. Most hawks fans loved him this year (Loved watching the hawks this year). What do you think
Who started the “strikethrough” typing method first: Doug Smith, or this site?
Why did it just dawn on me?
Josh Childress is the perfect starting 2 for this team.
Others should perhaps keep a watch on the fact that the story which ESPN was posting earlier this afternoon, re: Anthony Parker signing on with Cleveland, has now been removed from their NBA home page.
EXACTLY!!!
JM,
If you would have said, initially, something along the lines of this:
“I think Bogans would be a good add, at this point, since he can defend the opponent’s PG while Turkoglu is running the PG position on offense for Raptors. Bogans is a versatile defensive player who can check different positions and hit open 3PT shots.”
then the OP might not have quibbled with your first characterization of Mr. Bogans’ ability to perform successfully as a PG in the NBA.
I guess I assumed people would never think of Bogans as a legit 1….
Hardcore Raps,
Based on what you just wrote there, it’s clear that you still don’t understand what my original words meant, regarding the role played by individual match-ups when assigning a specific position to a specific player. LOL. The fact is … my “attitude” remains unchanged, re: Chris Bosh’s best position in the NBA.
Pizzaman,
If you happened to read what I wrote there and think that it reflects hate or dislike for Andrea Bargnani, or the game he plays, then, that’s just another error in judgment on your part. Your incorrect interpretations of my words are, fundamentally, your business and not mine.
Khan you have continued to write over and over how Bargnani should be on the bench going as far as saying numerous times that Hump should start ahead of him, and then you say you are not a Bargnani hater. How could anyone who researches everything basketball as much as you ever ever say that Bargnani should have sat in behind someone as stupid as Hump a marginal basketball player? Now you say Evans should start ahead of him too and yet you will not admit you simply hate Bargnani. Almost every sports writer out there says signing him yesterday was a shrewd deal by BC, and I am convinced waiting would have cost the Raps way more. Get over it as he is not going away.
Pizzaman,
It’s apparent that you haven’t understand what I’ve written about the subject of the Raptors need to minimize Bargnani’s PT and to use a highly serviceable player like either Kris Humphries and/or Reggie Evans in his stead, for example, as a preferred Starter … given the intricacies mixing and matching different players in units which provide specific advantages for the Raptors while minimizing other disadvantages, as far as individual match-ups and styles of play as concerned.
As I’ve said before … your interpretation of what I’ve written on this specific topic is yours to make, not mine, and all I can tell you further on the matter is that you still seem not to have gotten it yet.
You are free to think that I have a hate/dislike for Andrea Bargnani, if you wish. That is strictly your perogative … regardless how wrong it may be.
Whatever your logic is your logic I guess. Bottom line is great players like Bargs start and marginal players like Hump ride the bench period, and guys like Evans who are good servicable players fill a role when called on.
Pizzaman,
Who’s a better player, at this stage of their career, Manu Ginobili or Michael Finley?
How about Francisco Elson or Robert Horry?
The list of inferior players who have in fact functioned as a “starter” over a “more talented player” for a good-to-very good-to-great team over the course of NBA history is quite extensive.
I’m sorry that you seem not to be able to understand how such a tactic might well have been a small step towards last year’s team actually being able to win more than just 33 games.
I believe his logic is not so much centered on the seek for balance and pure dialectics; instead, if you consider length and content, and the key features, it looks like we’re contemplating an irresistible egomania, the absolute need for self-perception feeding, which is run through the process of flooding the blog with never-ending disputes.
But at the end, all chorus need its counter melody…
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