Update @ 12:26AM: Final Deal.
The Mavericks and Raptors recruited the Orlando Magic and Memphis Grizzlies to help facilitate the deal. The Raptors will get Hedo Turkoglu in a sign-and-trade deal with the Magic rather than signing him outright. They also will receive forwards Devean George and Antoine Wright from the Mavericks.
Marion will receive a five-year, $40 million contract from the Mavericks.
Stackhouse will go to the Grizzlies, who will waive him. Only $2 million of Stackhouse’s $7 million contract for next season is guaranteed. The Grizzlies will receive cash, likely $3 million, to participate in the trade.
Toronto, which gets to keep its midlevel salary-cap exception, sends a trade exception to Orlando. The Mavericks also will receive forward Kris Humphries from the Raptors.
Also of note, we have apparently rescinded our qualifying offers (audio) to Delfino and Pops.
Today Andrea Bargnani’s contract was officially announced and here’s the bullet summary of what is being said, thought, mulled over, swallowed, and kept secret.
- Andrea is very happy to be in Toronto. He’s never even considered to play for another city and loves it like we love the Rail. This of course should make you wonder why Colangelo wouldn’t hold out and sign him to a number closer to his qualifying offer sinc he’s already got an affinity towards the city, what with the shrinking cap and all that.
- Answer to the previous question is two-fold: He wants to do right for the kid and focus his mind back to basketball and the Italian national team rather than worry about this petty contract nonsense (although I get the feeling Andrea needed to be reminded that he was going to be a free-agent next year). The second reason for getting this deal in the first minute of free-agency was to set an example for Chris Bosh, an example which says, “Hey Chris, we’re willing to spend reasonable money, do you want to be reasonable?”.
- What is the difference between AB and VL? According to AB, it’s all about getting minutes. You give him minutes and he’ll produce, you starve him of minutes and dump him in an unpredictable rotation and you’ll get VL. The man sure dumbs the game down, good for him.
- Colangelo said he fully intends to sign Chris Bosh. My feeling is that he’s being honest and not even contemplating a trade and hopes that his early work this summer is enough to convince Bosh to settle in.
- This extension is another example of Colangelo backing the horse he’s always backed. He’s never doubted Bargnani’s abilities and didn’t hesitate in the least in offering him a big extension. The negotiation process was short and sweet, Leon Wood asked for a slightly higher number than 10, Colangelo offered a slightly lower number than 10 and they reached a midway point. Done deal. Next target: Chris Bosh. That one’s going to be a lot harder than this one.
You can watch the full video here. If you do, check out the quality of Mike Ulmer’s questions. I can’t believe RR is not offered a media pass by the Raptors.
Moving along, our good friend Anthony Parker is closer to signing with the Cleveland Cavaliers where he will add size to the dwarfed backcourt of Mo Williams and Deltone West. Depending on the deal that will get executed this morning this could clear the way for Carlos Delfino to finally return even though we’ve rescinded the qualifying offer. If we are able to unload Marcus Banks or Kris Humphries for picks and cash in the deal we would have enough to sign Delfino and Hedo outright.
More later, in the meantime check out some Bryan Colangelo audio.
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If everything goes down as you wrote, it’s music to my ears – especially if we can sign Delfino aka Playboy Argentina. Yeah, I was also wondering about the questions Ulmer was throwing.
Losing Parker actually hurts. I believe that he is exactly the kind of bench player good and great teams need. It is too bad it doesn’t look like we can hold on to him, if only to help out whoever we get to man the backup point guard position. He has the ability not to turn over the ball if he has it in his hands for more than 10 seconds – something that would be good if we can’t upgrade over Roko this summer.
He also has the ability to let his man mercilessly blow by him night in and night out while he steadily declines. In all seriousness, I hear ya though, it would’ve been nice to keep him, but I think Delfino is definitely the better player to retain, and he can play some minutes at point as well.
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Anyways, I can also not belviv that RR is not given the opp to have a media pass. Getta pettytion going lol :P
Damn, my favorite Raptors player signed for one of my hated teams. I hope he will bring some class in their clown leader.
It looks like it is the flavor of the day to criticize everything BC is doing. It’s fair game after last season. In my opinion it is reflective more of us as fans than BC however it really doesn’t matter as BC is following his plan.
Step 1: signing the new old coaching staff (plus Iavaroni) wanted apparently by every player. Step 2: trade Kapono for Reggie Evans, bringing toughness (especially in practice) and rebounding. Step 3: drafting Derozan, full of athleticism and hoops. Step 4: signing FA Hedo, creator from the wing and clutch player with huge experience. If Bosh doesn’t take the extension he should be traded but that’s just me. I don’t care what else we do this summer as we won’t contend this year and I’d like to see what the new group can do.
I agree with what you say. Now that the core starting guys (and hopefully Bosh follows suit) are locked up, I’d like to see how they progress and leave over the next 3 years. Eff the past! I’m excited about what BC has done this summer and I’m excited about what the future holds.
Oops…I meant “learn” not “leave” haha….Leaving would be bad
Are you talking about Dallas or Cleveland?
A great summary of the Bargs situation. If all goes well he’ll be a steal at 10mil (relatively speaking of course)
Wow this sign and trade sure is taken a while.
I know it was complex but the I am hoping Banks was included as this would be unreal to unload his dead weight. Even if it is Hump its good considering we need wings (although I like Hump) but if it is Banks wow.
Miracles do happen.
Banks is like a three paper getting passed around the only differnce is people who have the three paper in there hand actually want to hold on to it.
Puff puff pass Dallas good luck the roach is yours….
I hope……
puff puff pass :P LOL
well at least then the reciever is happy; in this case the thing being passed could be oregano or plain old shitt
Where have you heard Banks or Hump would be involved? How would that even work, as that means we’d have to be getting players back as well, and I can’t imagine BC wants to take on any salary at all.
I ve heard that might be or might not be.
This deal has had some many difrent rumours but it seems like even know we know its going be anounced in the morning we don’t know who is involved besine Marion and Stackhouse and cash.
I am just hoping to get some cap space to fill out the roster.
Nothing I’ve read indicates anything other than Toronto will be getting some cash and will be helping Marion get a better deal than would otherwise be possible. They’re still stuck with Banks. Resigning Delfino appears to be a long shot.
from wat i’m hearing i don’t think banks is going anywhere…I mean hopefully we can southwest him to dallas or mephis or OKC. That rudy fernandez trade thought would of been ideal for the raps
there have been reports that Colangelo has tried to pawn Banks off on the Mavericks; to no avail. The report by David Aldridge has reported that we would be getting 3 mil. out of the deal, while Memphis would be tossing the Mav’s a draft pick in exchange for Stack’s contract (and the two mil. to buy it out). But that doesn’t seem to make sense to me. Why would the Griz give away a draft pick? would that pick stay with the Mavericks? or would it be flipped to us?
I might have made a mistake while reading Aldridge’s report, so if I have please enlighten me!
but if I am right, this is looking pretty sweet for the Mavericks. They’d be getting rid of Stack (which they were going to do anyways), are signing marion AND will be receiving a draft pick from the Grizz.
Aldridge is reporting the deal for nba.com and he has not mentioned anything about banks or humphries being traded. Maybe it’s a separated deal to any other team (maybe minnesota).
About the ap signing, there’s something that doesn’t makes sense to me. Why would we renounce the rights of delfino if ap is clouse to signing with the cavs? If ap is lost, we should renounce to his rights and keep defino’s to re sign him. I think BC is going try to re sign parker, if not, i don’t get why we renounce to delfino’s rights instead ap’s
Marc Stein on ESPN and Doug Smith are reporting there’s a fourth team involved, so maybe Hump and Banks could be involved there?
Good call with ESPN so maybe…..
Hump or Banks or niether.
I want to here the details so bad it’s actually starting to bother me!!!
Cannot really blame anyone as its a complex process when making multi-team deals with CBA ramifications.
I love the offseason and this stuff is so fun to me trades, drafts etc, especailly when big names and not so big names change teams its so fun to think about possibilites for us as well as other teams. But the waiting is killing me here.
Sorry.
I feel better now….
I’ve got also one question. If this move is the only BC has planned (without dumping humps or banks contract) can we still keep the rights of parker to sign turkoglu or we have to renounce it as well?
interesting espn update…..is george the man for our bench? gotta check his salary to see if that leaves us any more room but i guess if we’re getting wright as well, that’ll eat it up. then again, not sure why i’m believing this report more than any other today…wait til the morning and see
So Stein is reporting Antoine Wright and Devean George as being included in the deal. I really hope we’re offloading those two to another team. I’d rather have Douby and Smush Parker.
You’re right JC, time to go to bed and see whats up in the morning.
Losing Parker may be hurtful, but he’s turning 35 this season. His numbers are going to slowly decline and his ability to defend his position will decrease as well. I think Raptors are not losing much, if they resign Delfino. Delfino has good ball-handling skills and he’s scrappy defender. Let’s face it Delfino and Parker are similiar players, but Delfino is much younger than Parker.
If Marion is traded with Hump or Banks and perhaps got a draft pick then this is amzaing trade for Raps and I’ll give credit to BC. But if this trade didn’t include the following players/pick then this is horrible trade for Raps. Not getting anything in return make is same as letting Marion walk.
I disagree, the whole point of this trade is to do right by Marion. Bryan Colangelo has always tried to do that with players, like when he traded Juan Dixon because he wanted out. Those types of things help the organization in the long turn, agents won’t tell guys to not come here, other GMs will be more willing to return the favor etc.
Agreed but BC he had to ply nice with Marion and as his agent because his agent is also Bosh’s agent. Get it…It’s part of the game… It alsm makes BC look like a GM who is willing to go out of his way to help you as a player out that he also helping out the Raps somehow as well I am sure… some how (hopefully cap space)
Antoine Wright might be a decent rotation player….
Too bad it was not Banks!!!!
I guess this is decent was hoping for more but realistically would have been a miracle for anyone to take Banks in a Marion deal (Bosh deal you would think you could put Banks in if you wanted to trade Bosh that is)
Antoine Wright. His game blog makes him look like he came on later in the season after recovering from a few early and mid season injuries. Devean George I hope is bought out or traded as I am not a fan. I would rahter have JOEY….
Yes Joey of George.
That’s got to get a few dislikes because I spoke of Joey and returning in the same sentence.
antoine wright and george are set to make a combined 3.4 mil. next year. Humphries’ salary is 3.2 mil. so they match up pretty well if that is the scenario.
now I am just try to work out whether or not we should want any of those two players. I seem to remember talk of devean george having a clause in his contract allowing for him to veto trades (like we saw when the Jason Kidd trade went down)
note I only capitolize players name who are worth my respect.
that was only to protect his bird rights, which are not a concern here
I wonder if Colangelo thinks building a bench of defensive vets will be enough for this year
sign Oberto with the minimum
Bargs – Bosh – Turk – DeRozan – Calderon
Oberto – Evans – George – Wright – Ukic
all offence starting and all defence on the bench lol
Oh okay, thanks for clearing that up for me.
“all offence starting and all defence on the bench” LOL nice
If they can pry out Oberto from the graveyard for a minimum, he can be Garbo v0.65, rusty but effective.
oops..didn’t realize that wright might be the better player of the two
Thats like saying he’s the tallest midget.
AdWoj (Yahoo) is also reporting that the Magic have agreed to a sign-n-trade for Turk.
https://twitter.com/YahooSportsNBA
WTF? Does this mean we still have our MLE and don’t have to renounce everyone? Is Orlando the fourth team? Does anyone fully understand the CBA?
This circus never ends…lol… Lets get a fifth team to take Banks….. and a sixth team to take Khandor.
LOL
If that attack wasn’t too personal, it would of been the RAP of the DAY!!!
It’s all over RealGm we got out exceptions back: MLE LLE everything plus scrub wings in Wright and George. BC IS AWESOME NEVER DOUBT HIM NEVER!
+1
Scrub wing prolly, George is the closest one to a scrub now, but Wright might be a bit of a gem.
Mind-blasting this all is.
this shit is way too complicated for me, I look forward to all of this being resolved in the morning for me, so that I can go back to not thinking.
as AB says, I am “determinated” to see this situation come to fruition.
Priceless…..
“”So I can go back to not thinking”" = Classic
Well played!!!
Busy night with all of these rapid fire news reports. :)
John Connor: you will be DETERMINATED!
does colangelo actually say they rescinded the qualifying offers?
in the linked audio, he’s talking about the marion situation and trying to help Marion out. He says ‘… once we make a decision and move in another direction there will be casualties along the way and whether we are in a position to have to renounce players or trade away a player in a sign and trade or even rescinding the qualifying offers the other day to carlos delfino and pops mensah-bonsu there’s decisions that you make and you gotta go with it so that’s some of the fallout …’
is he saying the raptors have rescinded the offers, or is he saying that’s one possible option that would be a consequence of a decision he’s about to make?
Wait a second, so if Orlando is willing to do a sign and trade, could the raptors theoretically still keep, Marion, AP, Delfino, Pops AND still have the exceptions?
Nope, Orlando is the fourth team.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ahz83cMJDUgZU4nBDRra_hK8vLYF?slug=aw-marionmavericks070809&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
The Dallas Mavericks have reached agreement to acquire Shawn Marion(notes) in a sign-and-trade deal with the Toronto Raptors, league sources said Wednesday.
The Mavericks and Raptors recruited the Orlando Magic and Memphis Grizzlies to help facilitate the deal. The Raptors will get Hedo Turkoglu in a sign-and-trade deal with the Magic rather than signing him outright. They also will receive forwards Devean George and Antoine Wright from the Mavericks.
Marion will receive a five-year, $40 million contract from the Mavericks.
Stackhouse will go to the Grizzlies, who will waive him. Only $2 million of Stackhouse’s $7 million contract for next season is guaranteed. The Grizzlies will receive cash, likely $3 million, to participate in the trade.
Toronto, which gets to keep its midlevel salary-cap exception, sends a trade exception to Orlando. The Mavericks also will receive forward Kris Humphries from the Raptors.
The Dallas Morning News first reported the Mavericks were nearing a deal for Marion, describing the trade as “on the lip of the cup.”
Can anyone clear up exactly what a trade exception means? It’s obviously an asset of some sort, but I have no idea what kind of thing it is, or how it can be used advantageously.
I found this on Wikipedia, but I’m not really understanding it either (I barely glanced at it cuz I’m at work..) Maybe someone else will put it into layman’s terms by the time I get back… please? ;)
“Traded Player Exception: If a team trades away a player with a higher salary than the player they acquire in return (we’ll call this initial deal “Trade #1″), they receive what is called a Traded Player Exception, also known colloquially as a “Trade Exception”. Teams with a trade exception have up to a year in which they can acquire more salary in other trades (Trade #2, #3, etc) than they send away, as long as the gulf in salaries for Trade #2, #3, etc are less than or equal to the difference in salary for Trade #1. This exception is particularly useful when teams trade draft picks straight-up for a player; since draft picks have no salary value, often the only way to get salaries to match is to use a trade exception, which allows trades to be made despite unbalanced salaries. It is also useful to compensate teams for losing free agents as they can do a sign and trade of that free agent to acquire a trade exception that can be used later. Note this exception is for single player trades only, though additional cash and draft picks can be part of the trade.”
Wow!!!
Say that 5 times fast!!!
WoWWoWWoWWoWWoW
As I understand it, and my understanding is sort of sketchy, signing Marion puts us over the cap, and as he is our free agent, nets us our MLE and LLE back.
Orlando gets a trade exception by agreeing to sign and trade Hedo, so as far as I can tell, we just picked up Antione Wright and Devean George for Hump, got back our MLE and LLE for free, and can use them to fill out the bench.
So, all the doom and gloom about the bench seems to have been for naught.
Please tell me that is true…I didn’t know BC had it in him
We’ll still need to acquire another big to replace Hump. Hopefully we can get Pops to sign a min contract.
I’d also still like us to sign Delfino to shore up our bench.
Well, if BC renounced Delfino a few days ago, like his audio clip states, Delfino can sign anywhere…
MAGIC WTF…
This is beyond amazing… BC is my hero…
Antoine Wright and Devean George make Joey fucking Graham look like Michael Jordan…THOSE twats and Marcus fucking Banks had better not be hanging around.
Antoine Wright seems like a decent bench player certaintly better than Douby or Graham
Both Antione Wright and Devean George are expiring contracts. I think this is important to note.
glass half empty much?
haha calm down… the wright guy seems decent… At least we have the MLE and the L watever back
Great news … it sounds like an excellent trade from BC … confusing though!
So, Toronto sign and trade Marion for around $8 million. Turkoglu comes back to them. The Raptors also trade Humphries to Dallas, along with Marion, and take back George and Wright from the Mavs.
The Mavs acquire Marion and Hump, and send out Stack, George and Wright.
A team below the cap takes Stackhouse which creates a trade exception and that trade exception goes to Orlando.
The Raptors get to keep their exceptions because they never went under the cap, and never had to renounce any of their players. Just signed and traded Marion for Hedo, with other small parts.
Does that sound like what is going on? Very confusing!
Yep, you got it, Dave.
Not sure exactly what’s going on here, but if we actually get to keep our exceptions, than this makes me feel a bit better about Colangelo’s competency (though I’d take Marion and depth 12 times out of 10, ceterus paribus).
George and Wright are trash, but I guess they provide some depth and are expiring contracts. Sad to see Humphries go .. he’s easily better than both these scrubs. It’s a shame he never got the minutes.
remember humps got some injury bumps so… i don’t know how good he really is
OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
all you have to do is tire out the starters and bring in the bench and raps are pretty much screwed… Who’s gonna score off the bench??? the raptor???
We now have another nearly 8 million to sign players with.
Spending spree….weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
ewww Antoine Wright and Devan George?? I was actually somewhat happy about Wright but then I relized I had him confused with someone who’s actually good. O well, this is a good deal I think, espcially if we get the MLE back, and I’m still going to wait and see the final roster before I judge anything.
Going to miss hump though. Him and his awkward post moves that somehow scored once in a while. But I really hope we can get POPS! back for a reasonable (aka cheap as hell) contract to replace humps.
Wright might be a decent rotation player…He did start a lot of games for a team that won 50 games so maybe he is decent is that not possible?
if you like at his gamelog from last year you will see he had a few injuries early and in the middle of the season but improved and looks like he could be a decent back up guard and maybe forced in too start until Double D is ready…
Or more likely we use or new acquired MLE to acquire a Delfino or dare I say Iverson before he signs With the Grizz….
This is a great deal….
IMO this is what a quality GM would do……
Pun intended…..
we get our Exceptions back and even Wright who know may earn a few minutes…. I would like to hope George does not get on the court for one second….unless we are up by 20 points with less then 4.3 seconds to go in the fourth quarter.
Great deal
now we got options….
However, what would a TOP NOTCH GM in this league do?
Now that we didn’t renounce Ap Delfino and Pops rights, we re sign them all (fuck cleaveland, ap please stay!) and waived george and maybe wright too, with the mid level sign kleiza and rasho and there you have an extraordinary team
Pg: Calderon/Ukic/Banks or me if i’m lucky enough like banks to get paid to not play
SG: De Rozan/AP/
Sf:Turk/Delfino/Kleiza
Pf:Bosh/Evans/Pops/Jawaii
C:Bargs/Rasho/O’Bryant
I’m sure there’s more to come from BC this summer!
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Too bad Iverson would not be willing to be our sixth man and play 30 minutes off the bench for the MLE he could be our Jason Terry/ Manu Ginobli if he bought into. Think about Bosh and Hedo and Jose on the bench Iverson killing the second unit. I only say not to start him in fear of having Jose/Iverson defensive backcourt is clearly scary but off the bench Iverson could play some 1 and 2 and get away with it.
I know it wont happen and I know he would rather retire then come off the bench as he doesnt’t know any former MVP, scoring title, etc, etc to come off the bench blah blah blah but if he did accept that idea it would be intresting.
Who should we spend the MLE on??????????????
Hmm … I’d like to see the Raptors re-sign Delfino, and then split the MLE between Marquis Daniels (sixth man) Flip Murray (seventh man), with both signing two year contracts.
Calderon — Delfino — Hedo — Bosh — Bargnani
Murray — Daniels — Evans
Then use minimum contracts, or the players currently there, to round out the team.
Oh, and DeRozan, he could fit in there somewhere … depending on however good he is in his first season. A nice nine man rotation.
I would rather have Klieza than Delfino..
I’d rather have both, which we can very well do seeing as because of this trade, we don’t have to renounce Delfino’s Bird rights.
Oh man, I relate this entire incident of the four team trade to drunkenly hooking up with a model. Then, in the morning you wake up and realize it wasn’t a model but an overall 7/10 (because of the devean george factor). You walk a pleased thinking, “that was one averagely hot piece of taint I just squeezed”, while wondering in the back of your mind whether or not you picked up an STI (once again with the devean george factor). None the less, before this drunken hook up you were relegated to masturbating in your apartment to the very best of internet porn.
all in all, a sizeable upgrade from the previous scenario and a small chance needing some sort of cream to rub out devean george form your ballsac.
So true! lol
Great trade! We get Turk, didn’t have to renounce Delfino or Pops, and get to keep our MLE! If Banks happens to be included, then this is the most amazing trade ever! I kept the faith in BC, he is a shrewd GM!
We could still end up trading Wright/George for a backup PG, similar to previous rumors about Humphries. New Jersey would surely trade us Keyon Dooling for 2 expiring contracts, as they have been clearing cap space for 2010 for the past two seasons!
Then we can resign Delfino & Pops (AP is signing with Cleveland), go after a SF like Kleiza with the MLE and a backup C like Nesterovic with the veteren exception.
How good would this lineup look?!!
STARTERS: Bargnani, Bosh, Turkoglu, DeRozan, Calderon
BACKUPS: Nesterovic, Evans/Mensah-Bonsu, Kleiza, Delfino, Dooling/Ukic
EXTRAS: O’Bryant, Jawai, Banks
sounds good to me…
some many possibilities…
Flip Murray
Delfino
Von Wafer
Trade possibilties with 2 more expiring contracts
What I really love about this trade is there are four teams and they all made out good. Think about it:
Toronto: gets to keep there free agents, trades Hump for two expiring contracts, and gets to keep there MLE, fuken brilliant oh yeah and Hedo is coming for Marion.
Dallas only gives up some cash, Geroge and Wright to get Marion and Hump…. score for them
Hey Memphis you want make a million dollars????? Sure what I got to do?
Buy out Stac for 2 Million and we give 3 million there are going to stay under tax so its just a free million to do some paper work…. I love it….
Hey Orlando want a free trade exemption? Sure what I got to do? Sign hedo flip him to us and we get our MLE back and keep our players no skin off your teeth you just a decent present for some more fuken paper work.
Yeah Everyone wins
I love this trade just for 4 teams improve (maybe not all greatly but all do good or great)
How good is this trade????
Gergoe and Wright could be traded easily at the deadline or before expiring contracts are gold going into 2010
How good is this trade????
Fucking A! As in A for Colangelo!
is anybody else liking their own posts?
I feel guilty, but yet I can’t help but feel good about myself afterwords.
oh and yea, basketball.
What’s the point of liking your own post? It’s not like you get a prize or anything at the end of the day. It just looks like one other person agrees with you… and if that person is you, then it’s pretty sad…
hmm, you are quite witty aren’t you.
It was a joke, meant to inspire half hearted smiles in the hearts of tired raptors fans
I’ve heard better. Besides, tired raptors fans are getting a tiny lift out of this off season so far.
I’ve seen a couple comments about it, and I was unsure too, but we renounced the rights to Delfino and Pops so we’ll have to sign them with whatever space we have left, if any, or use exceptions to keep them.
Maybe the BC can do to Cleveland for Parker what he did to Portland for Turkoglu unless he already signed on the dotted line. Parker would be great coming off the bench even with diminishing skills.
Either way we have MLE + LLE = $8 million back to spend on free agents in a depressed market.
No one can say sh!t about BC not trying to improve the team. Hope two people are watching this. Bosh so he can sign an extension before the new low cap reduces his max payout, and dumb@ss Rob Babcock so he can see how a real Raps GM makes moves!
just another thought…. if BC got all this for a sign and trade with marion…. imagine what we could’ve got for VINCE…
again… damm babcock…
Rap of the Day!? I think we actually got a slightly better deal for Marion than what we got for Vince.
Reduction of Salary Cap actually can benifit Raptors, since they have Bird Rights on Bosh, they can offer max contract. So if Bosh wants money, Toronto is the place to be. Plus with addition of Turk, I think Raptors are going to be very intresting team. As far as tonights trade…AMAZING. Antonie Wright is a solid bench player, he was even a starter when Jason Terry was injured. With MLE we can resign Carlos Delfino, Pops, and don’t forget about Parker. I don’t think Parker will sign with Cleveland just yet. Parker said he really likes this city. While it’s nice to play along with LeBron and Shaq, I still think Parker would much like to be a Raptor. Both Teams can offer MLE, so now its up to AP. But if does not workout we could go after Barnes or Kleiza, which are great options as well. I’m almost 100% that Delfino and Pops will be in a Raptor uniform.
So this is how I see the puzzle:
PG – Calderon, Ukic, Banks
SG – DeRozan, Wright, Delfino
SF – Turk, George, (Parker, Kleiza, or Barnes. Your call)
PF – Bosh, Pops, Evans
C – Bargnani, O’Bryant
Parker actually over-inflated his value with us and I hope a S.a.T can be used as well. Though I believe he is a softer, but as durable Eddie Jones (former Charlotte Hornet/Miami Heat guard), he can provide Cleveland with some potential firepower off the bench, kinda scary.
Why is everyone so down on Wright? Last year, he was the one given the task of guarding the opposing teams top guard/forward and usually did a good enough job. On offense, I didn’t see him ever have to do too much (I only watched about 20 Dallas games), but the ball went through Jet, Dirk, Kidd, Barea, and Howard before he got a chance to touch it and that needn’t change. He’s decently athletic and making very little cash and he and what’s left of Devean George (and that horrible spelling of Devean) expire at the end of the season.
This is an awesome trade that frees up good money for us to add depth. My only hope is that George doesn’t cite some arcane Bird rights rule to veto this trade. And hey, he’s from Minnesota, Toronto will probably seem like tropical paradise in comparison.
Good point, he’s not a bad player seen in that light, but I don’t think he’s a much better defender than AP or even Delfino.
check his hollinger profile on espn…apparently hes a defensive specialist
Depends how you use and coach Antoine Wright. I think in his Dallas years he played better and in NJ he struggled. He’s got some flashes here and there with great athleticism, but HELL no he ain’t no Defensive specialist all by himself. I’m still afraid he can pull some Joey moments.
This is why we all say IN B.C WE TRUST :) :) :)
yo fuck off don’t make a joke about the raptors using the quote from an americian dollar bill or quarter
You’ve honestly never heard anyone ever use that expression when refering to B.C??
Do you live under a rock?
Bryan Colangelo… where pulling off ridiculous trades happen…
BC is Hustlin’
HEY BC NAYSAYERS…..
HOW DOES BRIANS ASS TASTE????????????????
It’s BrYan. ;)
hehehe oooooops
Imagine if Babcock still ran this boat?? I can’t fathom the stupidity and ineptibility!!
Love or Hate BC, this man is DOING something about it!!
BC Hustles…everyday!
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4314637&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines
So it seems the Grizz are also getting Douby in this, too bad we couldn’t get rid of Banks instead.
Also, first post.
Gawd I do wanna give Mike Ulmer a Super Wedgie!!! Arsenalist would of totally asked a better question in a better execution and not hog all the questions, even when Paul Jones was asking the question about the economy and thinking he might get shot…his wasn’t so annoying and bad at all!!
Well, the Raps throw Humphries into the Mavs and who knows, the Mavs improve supposed dumb stiffs/near-failures into good rotation players (ie. Diop and Brandon Bass). Humphries might find his niche especially with a good backcourt eyes in J.Kidd and the Puerto Rican Midget (Barea).
I am also glad about the MLE and getting “something” with the likes of Devean George and “kinda oh sh#t not again Joey Graham” Antoine Wright. We get a “reputed”(known but not guaranteed due to oldness) defender w/ pocket 3-pt shot in D.George, and a player might having a chance and have some upside like Antoine Wright. Those two actually filled and almost guaranteed somewhat proven bench players and even though comparing to last year is not something to really be geared about, these players have legit NBA experience in a handful of playoff games in significant minutes. This three-way deal is what I think might almost set the tone for our season this year in a somewhat positive way.
Wright is not trash he started for the Mavs last year and is better than any option we had before……….oh yah we HAD NO OPTIONS. Geez BC flips nothing into something and you guys crap all over it.
Fun times in Raptor land
WOW , WE ACTUALLY ARE GONNA HAVE A PRETTY GOOD TEAM. THIS TEAM MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE SOME DEPT ?
If A.Wright and D.George are 100% healthy, we might not need Parker anymore, especially IF DeRozen is in the 9-man rotation. Devean George and Reggie Evans have decent playoff experience and a touch of thuggery to teach our team.
Devean George is, in theory, player that should defend well big SGs, like Kobe. Unfortunately, that theory was never proven, add to it Devean’s limited offensive arsenal and it’s clear George’s value is second to nothing. Antoine Wright is currenly not any better than George, but (unlike Devean that has zero upside) is 25-year old with some upside. Kid had some good games with Mavs last season and same with Nets before. Don’t forget he was behind VC / RJefferson at Nets and that Mavs had real logjam on SG. Chances are he’ll stay in Joey Graham tier, but unlike Graham and George there’s possibility he’ll develop into something really good. DeDe is still 2 or 3 yeas from being productive, he’s 19 and pretty raw, Antoine could be temporary solution. Not really important, as cards are dealt again next summer when Bosh resigns. Bosh resigns, that much is true. Only question is if he resigns to stay or for sign-and-trade purposes. If Bosh goes, Raps are officially in rebuilding mode and can wait for DeDe giving him big minutes to learn. If Bosh stays, over next 12 months situation can unfold in two ways:
1) Wright shows he’s starter material. Great, but I would say only 10% chances.
2) Remaining 90% ? Both Wright and George are of the books, someone might bite into expiring Banks’ contract, that makes some $9 millions space that should be enough to acquire legit starting SG.
Bottom line, good trade. Turkoglu is signed with salary cap situation bettered plus there’s backup SG in the stable (yeah, starting SG needed, but backup is better than nothing).
I’m still not sure the Turkoglu signing adds enough to the team to move it past the “well, they’ll make the playoffs” tier in the East, but BC has to get big props for being able to get something for nothing. That was a hell of a trade. I figured the Raps were getting a second round draft pick or two out of these negotiations. We now have a young wing who Hollinger says can defend (Wright) and get back our MLE & LLE. Suddenly, the Raps have Turkoglu and the cash to get some decent bench depth. They’re essentially in the same position they would have been had they resigned Marion, except they aren’t paying him what it looks like Dallas is.
Oh and we got rid of the last year of Hump’s contract too. George and Wright’s expiring contracts are valuable too.
Nice work.
Fucking brilliant. Antoine Wright is better than anybody suggested was available at the min. And we get the MLE/LLE for Kleiza/Delfino.
I’m amazed, I will never doubt BC again. After months of defending him I came to criticize and I look the fool. What a man.
Great trade for all parties involved. I think people are overrating Hump, and underrating Wright. Wright could be a starter with 4 scorers, similar to how he was used in Dallas cuz he doesn’t need any shots.
But now I think we need a legit 3rd big (I don’t think reggie evans or rasho are good enough), a scoring wing off the bench, and a legit back up pg in case roko flops next year.
MLE – Chris Wilcox/Leon Powe and Marquis Daniels/Von Wafer
LLE – Ronnie Price
Calderon/Price/Ukic
Wright/Daniels or Von Wafer
Hedo/Derozan
Bosh/Wilcox or Powe/Evans
Bargs/Rasho
That’s a 5th/6th seed in the east barring any injuries, trades or drastic improvements by our young players (bargs/bosh/derozan)
Oh yeah, min 6 seed. Who’s better than that in the East? Orlando, Boston (depending on health), Cleveland. Not Atlanta or Miami.
4th seed
Brilliant work by our BC. I could take or leave Devean George, but otherwise the deal is just brilliant. I really like Antoine Wright. Unloading Douby and Humps was big too. Plus our MLE…great deal. The only way this could be better is if Banks were gone too.
yeah, can’t say i’m expecting much from george or wright, & they still need a backup PG (or backup combo guard, who can play both – a la parker or delfino) & a some bench depth in the front court. but in reality, evans is likely going to be playing with either bargs or bosh quite a bit, no? they still have PoB (garbage time), and could re-sign pops (they extended a QO), so they really don’t need much more…rasho on the cheap for some leadership & 15 mpg sounds about right (all the better if they can get him for the vet. min…).
i like delfino for a few reasons – he’d (likely) sign for less than the MLE, he can defend multiple positions, and can play 3 positions (2, 1 & 3 – in a pinch, when they go small).
LOVE the idea of price as backup PG. LOVE IT. prolly not gonna happen.
anyway, as for the overall deal – wow. i mean, really, wow. there isn’t a thing not to like about it (unless it comes out we threw picks into the deal). once marion’s $$ demands became known, it was clear he wasn’t coming back, so i look at it this way: for the cost of hump, douby & perhaps some cash, the raps get turk, george, wright, and their exceptions back. i don’t think anyone thought they had even a remote chance of making out so well. in fact, when was the last time a 4-team trade was made where you could make the case that each team came out of it with something positive (i.e. no one really ‘won’ the trade, or ‘lost’ – they all got something of need, and gave up something they either didn’t want or didn’t need).
I can’t help but thinking congratulating BCo for this trade is like congratulating for cleaning a turd off your carpet, when they were the one who took the dump in the first place, but I don’t care…Nicely done high-collared sir!
Looking forward to seeing who he signs and if he can get back some more assets in a last minute sign-and-trade for Parker…
Just woke up to this amazing news! Haters give it a rest for a day!
Wow, I really didn’t think this deal could get done – kudos to BC and co for pulling this off. Having that kind of money to throw around with most of the major FA signings over and most teams already having used their money (Boston, soon-to-be-Cleveland, etc) provides an opportunity to go bargain hunting for some quality bench parts at amazing prices. The reason I was originally so hesitant about the Turk deal was skipping out on a chance to play this buyer’s market and add some talent with 2-3 year deals at bargain prices. With the 4-man core now essentially established, BC can really add guys that fit the club and who can increase their value with playing time, in turn providing good assets and trade bait over the next 2-3 years. Very excited for what Raptors basketball may hold for us!
So did we or did we not renounce on Delfino and Pops???
I’m hoping not, b/c then we can resign them, and still have our full MLE (and I still like brining in Kleiza). Hopefully Rasho can be signed to a minimum contract AFTER using the MLE (and possible the biannual too, depending on the league ruling).
KICKASS!!!
No and no, we still have their Bird rights. :)
Actually, seeing as Orlando was not willing to participate in a sign and trade for Hedo because there was nothing in it for them, it was lost.
Afterwards, Colangelo had to REGAIN the MLE by including a 10 million dollar trade exception. If this was not done, the Raptors would have no MLE this year.
how did BC do this and can he teach his methods of persuasion. marion for turk sign and trade!!!!!!!!!!!
re: the MLE & the LLE
It is simply incorrect for anyone to state that the Raptors have regained their MLE & LLE by making this specific trade because it is a simple fact of life that you cannot regain something which was never lost, in the first place.
At no time have the Raptors actually lost their right to the MLE or LLE through this drawn out process.
Yes age is a facter but Anthony Parker is a great player. He is a great team defender and a great offense player as well. Yes I agree he wasn’t amazing last year like he was the year before but he still put up solid numbers. Over 10 points, 4 rebounds, and 3 assists so he still amazing. By the way he wasn’t the only one who went down last season. I didn’t see no standout player on the Raptors besides Bargnani and Pops when he showed up. If Parker and Delfino both come back that would be great.
Calderon, Parker, Turkoglu, Bosh, Bargnani
Ukic, DeRozan, Wright, George, Delfino, Evans, Pops, O’Bryant
I’m unsure if guys like Banks will be there on the roster next season, but these 13 players are the basic roster I would like. If they decide to trade Wright and George for maybe a better fit but it wouldn’t hurt to give these guys a try. I mean Delfino provided stats on Detroit but he was just another player then he came to Toronto and had a great season. I’m curious to see how things will turn out.