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by the way the people who run realgm and the people aloud to participate in chat have this to say.

Khandor has does our ass taste……..

No credibility and gets the boot.

You cant even remember the shit you type must be mixing Viagra with your eltimers meds again.

Long live Andrea our starting center….

Despite Bosh is more popular in the locker room you quack…….

You should realize all creditibility if you had any, was gone right there. – it is what it is
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When someone chooses to give an inaccurate account of what I’ve said about something, or misrepresents the specific context of my observations then that individual develops no currency with me.

IMO, a comparison of the 2009-2010 Toronto Raptors to that Phoenix Suns team would be valid, if Shawn Marion [#4/PF] was starting in the front court as the running mate to Chris Bosh [#5/C]. Alas, that possibility no longer exists this season.

Could the Raptors have functioned at a high level this season with a relatively unaccomplished player like Tim Thomas [or, say, Derrick Brown!] in the #3/SF position … beside:

Jose Calderon [#1/PG, in the Steve Nash role], and
Anthony Parker or DeMar DeRozan [#2/OG, in the Raja Bell role], and
Shawn Marion [#4/PF], and
Chris Bosh [#5/C, in the Amare Stoudemire role]?

If you’ve read what I’ve written on that subject, here and elsewhere, you should already know my answer to that specific question.

It’s fun exchanging ideas of this sort with someone like you, as you do not resort to throwing insults at others and can agree to disagree without being disagreeable. Thus …

This is the link for the 2004-2005 Phoenix Suns. Feel free to choose whatever players you’d like to compare to the current Raptors.

It doesn’t really matter in the end which set you choose … or, whether we would try and compare the 2006-2007 Phoenix team instead.

What it seems you’re prepared to acknowledge is that:

1. The Suns’ Starters were better as a group than the Raptors’ Starters.
2. Select Phoenix players were far superior to their Raptors’ counterpart.
3. The SSOL Phoenix teams played at a break-neck pace which you do not see the Raptors playing at this season.

I would agree with you regarding these three observations.

The main point of me questioning the observation that “Bosh, Turkoglu, Calderon and Bargnani form a solid 4″ was not to suggest that they cannot contribute to a team which is capable of winning a high number of regular season games and plays entertaining basketball … but, was to suggest that an observation like THAT does not accurately consider their respective skills in the three main phases of the game: 1. Rebounding 2. Defense 3. Offense.

IMO, that specific group of 4 should be described as:

1. Rebounding = Below Average
2. Defense = Below Average
3. Offense = Above Average

When you then put those three ratings together, they do NOT combine to make a “Solid 4″, in and of themselves.

How many wins a Raptors team with those 4 players as Starters can in fact achieve this season was never part of my original observation.

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re: your original observation about an offensive team winning 50+ games

IMO, your use of the Phoenix Suns from the SSOL era is …

1. Not a good stylistic comparison with the players on this Raptors team

2. Not indicative of the number of Wins associated with the vast majority of NBA teams that have an offensive focus exclusively and try to outscore their opponents on a consistent basis.

Starters were Nash, Bell, Diaw and Marion, with Kurt Thomas, James Jones and Tim Thomas splitting games starting as well.

Let me repeat — TIM THOMAS AND JAMES JONES starting about 25 games each.

I understand that Nash counts for a lot, that being an MVP year and all, but man. Offense will win you some games, is all I’m sayin’

Plus, if BC waits around for Marion to come to his senses who knows what will be left if they can’t get something done for Marion after all.

Agonizing over the thin bench is premature until we see what BC can pull out of his hat by the time the season starts. I’m not quite self-assured/arrogant enough to pronounce him a fool. Given his record I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and see how he plays it out.

Mavs get Marion
3rd team gets Stackhouse + something else they want from either Toronto or Dallas or both
Raps get a 2nd pick from either

We then do this trade before signing Hedo and therefore we would get some capspace and possiblily MLE

Not sure I am correct but I think thats how it would work:

Anything to get capvspace is a good deal at this point.