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		<title>By: Hater</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/07/04/turkoglu-heading-to-toronto/#comment-57005</link>
		<dc:creator>Hater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Turkoglu is an ass-hat, send him back to Turkey.

Canuck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turkoglu is an ass-hat, send him back to Turkey.</p>
<p>Canuck</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/07/04/turkoglu-heading-to-toronto/#comment-31200</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but your analysis is inaccurate. Investing five years into Turk is not the same as investing four years in Marion. For one thing, you fail to take into account that Turk&#039;s investment comes at almost twice the cost of what Marion&#039;s would have been, making it harder to bail out if Turk breaks down in the latter years of the contract. Also, Marion has a longer track record of consistent success, which makes him a safer bet for a contract at 35. Finally, the opportunity cost of Turk&#039;s deal is not only Marion but also Parker and pretty much any other free agent they had hoped to pursue. On a thin roster like the Raptors have, the smarter choice would have been to sign Marion for the mid-level exemption and then pick up a few free agent bargains to help deepen the bench.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but your analysis is inaccurate. Investing five years into Turk is not the same as investing four years in Marion. For one thing, you fail to take into account that Turk&#8217;s investment comes at almost twice the cost of what Marion&#8217;s would have been, making it harder to bail out if Turk breaks down in the latter years of the contract. Also, Marion has a longer track record of consistent success, which makes him a safer bet for a contract at 35. Finally, the opportunity cost of Turk&#8217;s deal is not only Marion but also Parker and pretty much any other free agent they had hoped to pursue. On a thin roster like the Raptors have, the smarter choice would have been to sign Marion for the mid-level exemption and then pick up a few free agent bargains to help deepen the bench.</p>
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		<title>By: Abduli1212</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/07/04/turkoglu-heading-to-toronto/#comment-31185</link>
		<dc:creator>Abduli1212</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now this is official the deal is 5 year deal worth 53 million</description>
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		<title>By: abstract</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/07/04/turkoglu-heading-to-toronto/#comment-31088</link>
		<dc:creator>abstract</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+1</description>
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		<title>By: Brain Colangelo</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/07/04/turkoglu-heading-to-toronto/#comment-31080</link>
		<dc:creator>Brain Colangelo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>delfino would have complemented hedo</description>
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		<title>By: Brain Colangelo</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/07/04/turkoglu-heading-to-toronto/#comment-31079</link>
		<dc:creator>Brain Colangelo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>moon would have been nice for the min b/c he may have been able to play the 2 defensively and go back to limited role off the bench...  has he been signed yet?

I&#039;m not sure joey&#039;s as good a fit.

Damtay jomes would be great.  any chance of that happening?

without a player who can play a role defensively there will be a lot of pressure on derozan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>moon would have been nice for the min b/c he may have been able to play the 2 defensively and go back to limited role off the bench&#8230;  has he been signed yet?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure joey&#8217;s as good a fit.</p>
<p>Damtay jomes would be great.  any chance of that happening?</p>
<p>without a player who can play a role defensively there will be a lot of pressure on derozan.</p>
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		<title>By: Fly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>200% support you. Honestly, Bosh&#039;s market value is greater than his actual value. Raps Fans keep force BC to trade Bosh, it really limit our chips on hands. So, why don&#039;t we just relax and let BC drive the bus. I still believe, the reason we got JO,one of the reasons was Raps Fans rushed BC to trade TJ away. Raps Fans and media sometime just too crazy to make noise.

At the other hand, I never think about Bosh is that good, he should not a 20M+ player, I always think that, those US medias try to create some spark or trouble in toronto, either force Bosh to leave or force toronto overpay Bosh.

We could trade anyone, just no rush to do it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>200% support you. Honestly, Bosh&#8217;s market value is greater than his actual value. Raps Fans keep force BC to trade Bosh, it really limit our chips on hands. So, why don&#8217;t we just relax and let BC drive the bus. I still believe, the reason we got JO,one of the reasons was Raps Fans rushed BC to trade TJ away. Raps Fans and media sometime just too crazy to make noise.</p>
<p>At the other hand, I never think about Bosh is that good, he should not a 20M+ player, I always think that, those US medias try to create some spark or trouble in toronto, either force Bosh to leave or force toronto overpay Bosh.</p>
<p>We could trade anyone, just no rush to do it!</p>
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		<title>By: Fly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Relax........we just worry about it. behind the starter 5, we are very very thin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Relax&#8230;&#8230;..we just worry about it. behind the starter 5, we are very very thin.</p>
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		<title>By: lemmiwinks</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/07/04/turkoglu-heading-to-toronto/#comment-31073</link>
		<dc:creator>lemmiwinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 03:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why is everyone so pissed that they have to renounce parker/ marion/ delfino?

parker dropped off noticeably this year due to age, and will likely drop off a little more this year.
Marion is a good player, but was holding up the Raptors for more money-  if they kept waiting on him, there would be no free agents left and he would hold that leverage over them for more money- 
delfino is versatile, but also wildly inconsistent and can go scoreless for long stretches while taking terrible shots and 3 pointers early in the clock.

Now, the Raptors have screwed over another team instead of being the team that is screwed, for a change.

Now, they look like a team on the rise again, and that may play a role in attracting some bargain, minimum salary talent to round out the roster.

And for once, the city is cited as a prime reason for a FA choosing Toronto.  All good things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why is everyone so pissed that they have to renounce parker/ marion/ delfino?</p>
<p>parker dropped off noticeably this year due to age, and will likely drop off a little more this year.<br />
Marion is a good player, but was holding up the Raptors for more money-  if they kept waiting on him, there would be no free agents left and he would hold that leverage over them for more money-<br />
delfino is versatile, but also wildly inconsistent and can go scoreless for long stretches while taking terrible shots and 3 pointers early in the clock.</p>
<p>Now, the Raptors have screwed over another team instead of being the team that is screwed, for a change.</p>
<p>Now, they look like a team on the rise again, and that may play a role in attracting some bargain, minimum salary talent to round out the roster.</p>
<p>And for once, the city is cited as a prime reason for a FA choosing Toronto.  All good things.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/07/04/turkoglu-heading-to-toronto/#comment-31072</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 03:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, really, we get a chance to sign those guys?

Dirk- soon to be starring in the re-make of the Michael Keaton classic, &quot;Mr. Mom&quot;

Amare- Ol&#039; One Eye sure has done a lot to further his team at the expense of his personal stats over the years.....NOT!!!

Yao-  The Great Wall of China is crumbling.

Manu-  Another International player for BC&#039;s stable.  Oh, and this one has chronic ankle problems!!

JJ-  Nothing even remotely funny to say about JJ.  He&#039;s got game, he just won&#039;t be signing here.

Nash-  Canada&#039;s favorite son is NY bound.



Why didn&#039;t you just mention LBJ and Wade?  They&#039;ll be free agents too, didn&#039;t you hear?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, really, we get a chance to sign those guys?</p>
<p>Dirk- soon to be starring in the re-make of the Michael Keaton classic, &#8220;Mr. Mom&#8221;</p>
<p>Amare- Ol&#8217; One Eye sure has done a lot to further his team at the expense of his personal stats over the years&#8230;..NOT!!!</p>
<p>Yao-  The Great Wall of China is crumbling.</p>
<p>Manu-  Another International player for BC&#8217;s stable.  Oh, and this one has chronic ankle problems!!</p>
<p>JJ-  Nothing even remotely funny to say about JJ.  He&#8217;s got game, he just won&#8217;t be signing here.</p>
<p>Nash-  Canada&#8217;s favorite son is NY bound.</p>
<p>Why didn&#8217;t you just mention LBJ and Wade?  They&#8217;ll be free agents too, didn&#8217;t you hear?</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 03:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I was hoping I&#039;d get to see the back of him this summer.&quot;

Ok, OK, we get it; you&#039;re disapointed that Joey didn&#039;t show any advancement over his 4 years in the league, and you think he&#039;s squandered his incredible size and strength, but that doesn&#039;t mean that you get to sodomize him during the off-season!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I was hoping I&#8217;d get to see the back of him this summer.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ok, OK, we get it; you&#8217;re disapointed that Joey didn&#8217;t show any advancement over his 4 years in the league, and you think he&#8217;s squandered his incredible size and strength, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that you get to sodomize him during the off-season!</p>
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		<title>By: mortgagejake</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/07/04/turkoglu-heading-to-toronto/#comment-31070</link>
		<dc:creator>mortgagejake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 03:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The blog posts and comments in this website are so far superior to any other media that I thank the basketball gods for pointing me here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The blog posts and comments in this website are so far superior to any other media that I thank the basketball gods for pointing me here.</p>
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		<title>By: JIMRONE</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/07/04/turkoglu-heading-to-toronto/#comment-31069</link>
		<dc:creator>JIMRONE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 03:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FUCK Yeah!!! Keep it positive! Make the 30 year old bitches in their parents basement cry..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FUCK Yeah!!! Keep it positive! Make the 30 year old bitches in their parents basement cry..</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/07/04/turkoglu-heading-to-toronto/#comment-31068</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 03:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly all the angst about Bosh not coming back next year should stop.  Seriously if we don&#039;t trade Bosh during the season and he walks it&#039;s not that big of a deal because of all the other free agents available. So maybe we loose Bosh but we can use the money to sign any of Dirk Nowitzki, Amare Stoudamire, Yao Ming, Manu Ginobili or Joe Johnson plus probably Steve Nash... Just saying this now because I know people will repeat it ALL season long and it&#039;s irritating to hear about over and over. Enjoy Bosh while he&#039;s here and whatever happens after happens!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly all the angst about Bosh not coming back next year should stop.  Seriously if we don&#8217;t trade Bosh during the season and he walks it&#8217;s not that big of a deal because of all the other free agents available. So maybe we loose Bosh but we can use the money to sign any of Dirk Nowitzki, Amare Stoudamire, Yao Ming, Manu Ginobili or Joe Johnson plus probably Steve Nash&#8230; Just saying this now because I know people will repeat it ALL season long and it&#8217;s irritating to hear about over and over. Enjoy Bosh while he&#8217;s here and whatever happens after happens!</p>
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		<title>By: JIMRONE</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/07/04/turkoglu-heading-to-toronto/#comment-31067</link>
		<dc:creator>JIMRONE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 03:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Touche!</description>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/07/04/turkoglu-heading-to-toronto/#comment-31066</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 03:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m thinking:

(1) Short Term &lt;em&gt;(next season)&lt;/em&gt; -- Bad
(2) Medium Term &lt;em&gt;(years two and three)&lt;/em&gt; -- good
(3) Long Term &lt;em&gt;(years four and five)&lt;/em&gt; -- unknown, too far away to tell. Depends on what other moves Colangelo makes over the next three years, and how well Hedo Turkoglu ages. This could go in many directions, although I do think there is reason for hope.

The best option for the team next season alone ... was resigning Marion, Delfino, Parker and spending the MLE. That gave the Raptors their best possible team ... short term gain, long term pain, though or at least I think that&#039;s the way it would have played out. I&#039;m very happy Colangelo didn&#039;t go in this direction, I think it was by far the worst choice in the medium and long term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m thinking:</p>
<p>(1) Short Term <em>(next season)</em> &#8212; Bad<br />
(2) Medium Term <em>(years two and three)</em> &#8212; good<br />
(3) Long Term <em>(years four and five)</em> &#8212; unknown, too far away to tell. Depends on what other moves Colangelo makes over the next three years, and how well Hedo Turkoglu ages. This could go in many directions, although I do think there is reason for hope.</p>
<p>The best option for the team next season alone &#8230; was resigning Marion, Delfino, Parker and spending the MLE. That gave the Raptors their best possible team &#8230; short term gain, long term pain, though or at least I think that&#8217;s the way it would have played out. I&#8217;m very happy Colangelo didn&#8217;t go in this direction, I think it was by far the worst choice in the medium and long term.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 03:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a Joey Graham fan. I was hoping I&#039;d get to see the back of him this summer.

Ah well, &lt;em&gt;(deep sigh)&lt;/em&gt;, Joey might be back for another go around. He&#039;s a good option for the minimum and could provide some decent bench play. Good call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a Joey Graham fan. I was hoping I&#8217;d get to see the back of him this summer.</p>
<p>Ah well, <em>(deep sigh)</em>, Joey might be back for another go around. He&#8217;s a good option for the minimum and could provide some decent bench play. Good call.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 03:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exceptions are added to a team&#039;s salary. In order for the Raptors to get below the salary cap line, the Raptors had to waive their rights to those exceptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exceptions are added to a team&#8217;s salary. In order for the Raptors to get below the salary cap line, the Raptors had to waive their rights to those exceptions.</p>
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		<title>By: Immaculate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Immaculate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is very possible</description>
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		<title>By: Fly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smacks of the JO trade? I think it&#039;s a kind of useing Bosh&#039;s future to gamble. We don&#039;t have to say too much if Hedo and the rest of Raptors working well on the coming season, but if we think about the roster if we missing CB4 on 2010.

1. Calderon
2. Demar
3. Hedo
4. AB7
5. ????? 

Most of ppl say that Raptors doesn&#039;t have any #4, #5 ppl to play inside ball game, maybe......just maybe, if Bosh out, and Hedo in, it could create a chance for us to fix the &quot;cornerstone&quot; problem of Raptors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smacks of the JO trade? I think it&#8217;s a kind of useing Bosh&#8217;s future to gamble. We don&#8217;t have to say too much if Hedo and the rest of Raptors working well on the coming season, but if we think about the roster if we missing CB4 on 2010.</p>
<p>1. Calderon<br />
2. Demar<br />
3. Hedo<br />
4. AB7<br />
5. ????? </p>
<p>Most of ppl say that Raptors doesn&#8217;t have any #4, #5 ppl to play inside ball game, maybe&#8230;&#8230;just maybe, if Bosh out, and Hedo in, it could create a chance for us to fix the &#8220;cornerstone&#8221; problem of Raptors.</p>
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