In a plain, cinderblock room with scattered bar bells, weight plates and medicine balls the only furniture, Bosh is making his case.
The 25-year-old power forward has been one of the most consistent players in the NBA the last three seasons, averaging 22.5 points and 9.7 rebounds, but Bosh wants more and has focused on reinventing himself physically to get it. Stronger, higher, faster: He’s taken an Olympian approach to his off-season training.
Fittingly, Roberson has brought on Kyle Meadows to help. A former world-class sprinter, member of the United States bobsled team and NFL wide receiver, Meadows has a simple goal.
“It’s all about speed, we have to train speed, that’s the neuromuscular element,” he says. “That’s why we do power lifting – it’s explosive and ballistic and sports specific.
There is one thing about Bosh that some would say separates him from, say, Amar’e Stoudemire. Bosh has never said that he wants to be the man on his team. In fact, he would probably enjoy playing second fiddle to a superstar like Dwyane Wade. Bosh has been likened to Pau Gasol in that he is a complementary star, not a superstar who can lead his team to a title.
The Toronto Raptors forward can opt out of his contract in 2010, like Wade, so a trade now would come with the risk that it would end up as a one-year Bosh rental. But is the idea of Riley trading for Bosh this summer even plausible?
Chris Bosh says he won’t be signing a contract extension this summer with the Toronto Raptors, but he has one more reason to stay with the club that drafted him in 2003 now that it has added Reggie Evans in a trade with the Philadelphia 76ers. If Bosh is traded in the off-season or signs elsewhere as a free agent next year, it means he’ll have to play against the rugged defender again.
"I hate playing against that guy, to be honest with you," Bosh said of Evans, a 6-foot-8, 250-pound bruiser who has a knack for getting under opponents’ skin. The Raptors acquired him last week for guard/forward Jason Kapono. "I’m glad he’s on my team. He’s very strong, a smart player and very physical and he’s dirty – or he can be – and, honestly, that’s what you need to be a good team, you need guy like that."
Signs of former USC forward Demar DeRozan’s draft value: He works out for the Toronto Raptors on Tuesday and New York Knicks on Friday as teams try to squeeze in workouts before the June 25th NBA draft.
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DeRozan is going to grace us with his presence? Maybe relations aren’t as poor as we thought.
Blowing stuff like DeRozan’s “supposed attitude” towards the Raptors totally out of proportion is a specialty of the team’s rabid fanbase.
While I think that Derozan’s attitude is not a problem, he seems to have a massive ego before he deserves one. I would much prefer Tyreke Evans to play for the raptors, he can play shooting guard as well as back-up jose along with Roko
shats,
1. By trading down in this draft, I’d prefer that the Raptors let both DeRozan and Evans go to other teams.
2. Between the two, however, Evans is the better pick, IMO.
which is why he’ll be looong gone by the 9th pick. and i agree, trading down, if possible, is the way to go…there will be a plethora of guys available in the mid- to late teens that have similar skill sets & would be a complement to the roster. if they can pick up two later picks for the 9th (while unloading some trash, perhaps?), perfect.
Why bother trading down when you can keep the #9 and likely buy a later pick as well with the cash from the O’Neal deal?
Trade down to pick up an additional pick, in all likelihood, in the 2nd Round, PLUS buy one more 1st Round pick with the #3.0 M via Miami.
In addition to:
* A trade for Bargnani
* A Sign & Trade for Marion
that would be the way to re-stock the Quality Depth on this team with solid young athletic players moving forward, either, with or without Chris Bosh [at the conclusion of his current contract].
Meh…I say keep #9 and buy as many others as possible.
I’d LOVE to see some kind of dream sign-and-trade scenerio between the Raps and Orlando that would give them Marion and we get Turkoglu.
Thank you.
No one says a word about the kid’s attitude all season, and then HIS AGENT decides he won’t work out for us and everyone is talking about “attitude” and “ego”. Show me something that actually speaks to the guy’s attitude or ego, not to his agent’s efforts to secure a higher draft slot and therefore a higher salary. Workout planning is a tactical game for the agents, and it goes far beyond simply showing up and playing.
If Derozan’s agent feels that Toronto, at 9, is his floor, why would he work out for us? For fun?
From some mock-draft:
“A high-flyer, with a 38.5-inch vertical. The ability to play both the three and four spot. A slasher who will play both above the rim and below it. A young guy who not only takes pride in defense but gets excited about it. That’s our guy. DeRozan quite possibly has the most upside of any player in the draft. Check out this quote from a recent interview with SLAM magazine to see just one small reason why he has GM’s salivating over the thought of his potentially dropping in the draft, “One thing I’ll bring to the table that some might not realize is defense. I love playing defense now. In my freshman year, Tim got me to play better defense and now I love defense. So I just want to get down on defense, lock up.” The six-foot-six, 211-pound DeRozan is going to raise a lot of eyebrows next year and is going to make his team better. Defensive-minded Marc Iavaroni would be over the moon working with him. Adding his athleticism to a Raptors team that wants to run (while focusing on defense first, Iavaroni stresses), is the perfect fit and could begin to help the pieces of the puzzle fall back into place.”
Rye, we removed your post with the link to the HQ article since it was already up in our weblinks this morning.
Just trying to keep things clean and simple in the comments, not intending any disrespect.
No worries.
Remember, so much has to do with the agents. DeRozan probably had little to do with the initial murmuring of him not coming to TO.
Good point.
That’s a terrific quote from Bosh in the Globe and Mail article. Chris Bosh is someone who gets IT.
Yeah,he gets its his contract year and wants a max contract. Where was the determination hes showing seasons past?
Most likely, the determination has been there the entire time, and we just see more newspaper articles etc. written about Bosh because he’s big news right now. He may get traded, he may not. He may re-sign next summer, he may not. There’s a lot of questions about Bosh’s future right now, and that makes any story written about him immediately more newsworthy, hence the increase in stories such as this one.
The guy has averaged 22 and 9 for the past 3 years…I don’t think he’s spent his summers watching Sponge Bob re-runs and eating Cheetos. The dedication has always been there with Chris Bosh, it just doesn’t warrant newspaper coverage during the average offseason.
oh,so you’re in his inner circle and know this as fact?. buddy,you know nothing and speculate. just because you have a blog dont write like its fact. its obvious rather then sign a resonable contract this off season bosh wants to have a monster contract year and attain a max contract or sign for a max deal elsewhere. we wouldnt be doubting chris or wanting management to trade him and scoffing at him and his max deal demands if he did bust his ass in previous off seasons and get us more than 33 wins and not get punked by opposing inferior pf’s…..for years we’ve been clamouring for bosh to hit the weights and bulk up.
Uh, no…it’s fairly obvious that it’s a fact.
You see, when you play in the NBA, you compete day in and day out against the world’s top athletes, the VAST majority of whom put in countless offseason (and in season) hours of practice and working out.
Chris Bosh, by all accounts, is one of the league’s best players. He has put up excellent individual numbers his whole career, improved significantly since his rookie season, and has never had any significant drop-off from one season to the next, including the years following the last big contract he signed.
So, your suggestion here is that Chris Bosh has been a relatively dominant player (question his dominance if you will, but either way…an all star player) based PURELY on natural talent, and has not been putting in the work over his career to improve himself?
Please.
You don’t become a perennial all star and member of Team USA by loafing through ANY offseason.
Of course he wants to have a great year this year to get his max deal. But guess what? That max deal is going to come as a result of his CONSISTENTLY EXCELLENT PLAY OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS. Chris Bosh is going to get a max deal unless he totally shits the bed this year. He’s essentially already earned it with his play in previous seasons, which came as a result of training in the offseason. This is not a Jerome James situation where he’s going to get an overinflated deal based on a limited amount of performace. This guy has performed ever since he entered the league. You simply do not do that without adequate training and preperation.
And in regards to him “bulking up”, he has improved his strength since he entered the league, but he’s never going to be a big power forward. That’s just his body type. Kevin Garnett is the same way.
I just don’t understand how you can question Chris Bosh’s commitment given the results we’ve all seen on the floor. You can’t perform at the level he does without working out and practicing extensively. You shouldn’t need a Golbe and Mail story to know that a team’s franchise player is putting in the work in the offseason. And guess what? There are other members of the Raptors working out right now too. I can guarantee it. Does Michael Grange need to to file a report for proof for you to believe that?
And the fact that I write for a blog has nothing to do with my writing style. You don’t have to be in Chris Bosh’s inner circle to know for a fact that he has worked out in previous offseasons. That’s why I stated it as a fact. For instance, this article from the start of last season mentions that Bosh was working out with Joe Abunassar at Impact Basketball, one of the top offseason trainers in the sport. Would Bosh be spending the cash and putting in the hours to work with one of the best offseason trainers LAST SUMMER if he wasn’t always committed to improving?
My apologies, forgot to link the article.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_nothingbutnet/2008/09/a-qa-with-nba-o.html
+1
lol..perennial allstar?ok,if someones hurt,or hes a coachs addition and hes the token allstar reppin canada…chris has never made the allstar team on merit alone….his addition to the olympic team and subsequent success was as a plugger and hustle type.he abandoned that role to be a finesse type in toronto which had us all shaking our heads.on the olympic team he knew he was the least talented and busted his ass to be on the court,with us hes mr.pretty hair getting abused by ponytail guy…..bosh is good against andorras or lithuanias best but against his bruising american counterparts/peers hes a fucking pussy.miki moore anyone?…he got his numbers against scrubs and wilted against k.g and most elite ballers all season….man,u stat douchebags make me laugh.when u watch every minute of every game raptors played all season you know whats up.
Perennial: Something that is continuing or recurrent.
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Chris Bosh: NBA All-Star in 2006, 2007, 2008, and 2009
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Chris Bosh: Perennial All-Star
So, you see, that point is not really up for debate. Regardless of how he got there (and for the record, he was voted a starter in ’07), he was a perrenial all-star. He was also All-NBA second team in ’07, which has nothing to do with people getting hurt, or being the token player “repping Canada” (which is a terrible argument, by the way. If they wanted to have a token player repping Canada, we’d have had more than 3 all stars in frnachise hitory. And when AD made it he was an injury replacement if I’m not mistaken)
I’m not sure why you seem to want Bosh to reprise his role on the Olympic team for the Raptors. The Raptors, unfortunately, don’t have Lebron, or Wade, or Chris Paul, or Kobe. So we are in a position where we expect out best player (would you agree that’s Bosh? Given your disdain for statistics, perhaps you’re a Mensah-Bonsu kind of guy.) to carry the load for us offensively. This means doing what he’s best at, which is what you have so simplistically described as being “a finesse type.” If you’d like to suggest that perhaps Chris Bosh should develop a little more of a low post style of play, that’s fine, although there’s a lot more to that than simply bulking up. (Pau Gasol, for example, is not bulky, but has a fantastic post game)
Bringing up the Mikki Moore series is fine, and I think everyone including Bosh would acknowledge that he struggled in that series. However, you seem to have forgot to mention that he averaged 24 and 9 the next season in the playoffs against Dwight Howard. Must’ve slipped your mind. Or perhaps it was a case of not wanting to get a full version of the facts mixed in with your Haterade.
Hate on Chris Bosh all you want. Hate on his game, hate on his committment, hate on his skinny frame, hate on his supposed lack of dedication. You’re more than welcome to. People still question Lebron and Kobe for fucks sake, so I can’t expect Bosh to be exempt from criticism. But all of this questioning his commitment and dedication when the guy has come out season after season and played elite level basketball reeks of hating for the sake of hating to me. I guess that’s Toronto for you though. Bosh isn’t the first to deal with it, and he won’t be the last.
Hey man, defend Bosh all you want but do NOT start disrespecting SpongeBob, that’s all I ask
Pretty much every mock draft has Derozan going to the raps, although heaps also have Tyreke Evans going even later outside the top 10. If the raptors pass on Tyreke Evans, It will undo BC’s good work in offloading JK
Unless both DeRozan and Evans are flawed players who are getting overhyped in the weeks leading up to the draft. It’s a crapshoot people. Guys who have been watching basketball for a decade and who have way more access to information on these players than any of us get it wrong consistently. Even the good ones. If the Raptors’ success next season and beyond hinges entirely on the 2009 draft you might want to think about investing heavily in support for your “mistress” team.
I am glad to hear that Bosh has gotten serious about improving his weight/strength/explosivness, I just hope it doesn’t come at the expense of his speed/agility.
I’ve always stated that I like Bosh, think he’s a very good (and rare) player, and he seems to have a moral conscience, which is rare in pro sports. I would have no problem with Bosh resigning in Toronto long term, although I would be concerned about the back end of the deal, and the year-to-year stranglehold it puts on the team salary. This is one of the few teams in the L who can afford to pay the tax, but the Teacher’s Pension Plan board will almost assurably never let that happen, maybe even if the raps were a strong conference contender. The more $$ the team spends on salary and tax, the less profits the TPP gets.
I also question wether the raps can be a strong conference contender with 2 players in Bosh/Bargs whose games are so similar, in fact, when BC drafted AB, I remember thinking that a dynamic GM like BC would be one of the few GM’s who would have the guts to trade a very good player like Bosh. I think that the time to sell high on Bosh has passed. With only a year left on his deal, the packages offered will not have the star/sub-star players that we could have got even 1 season ago. Now we are looking at serviceable players whose salaries match up, plus maybe some late round draft picks (’cause I can’t imagine a scenario where a lottery team makes a trade for CB). On the other hand, AB does have some trade appeal to the L, but because of his inconsistent play, and low salary, the returns again will be minimal. And while I do think that BC has guts, I don’t see him trading the guy he picked #1 overall.
My only true hope of fully capitalizing on Bosh’s near-greatness (barring a draft night deal this year) is to see he and AB truly mesh and compliment each other’s play, to raise the level of competivness of the team, or, a sign-and-trade with CB in 2010.
There, thats the most I’ve ever commented on a blog, and although I’m sure I could’ve gone on some more, I don’t want to bore the loyal RR readers too much.
One thing you (and TPP, for that matter) have to keep in mind about the tax is that while going into the luxury tax obviously costs more for the owners, if the team is built properly, they can recoup those expenditures. A better team means making the playoffs, and making the playoffs basically guarantees at least two sellouts per round, and all the revenue that comes with those (gate, sponsorship, merchandise, concessions, etc.)
Obviously the exact numbers differ in every situation, but in general, a team that goes deep into the playoffs can still turn a profit despite paying the luxury tax.
and aside from $$$, the positive net impact on having a team go deep into the playoffs can be seen in its ability to draw FA’s. as long as TO remains a retread team, either missing the playoffs or just barely making it (& losing early), then it’s easy for FAs to dismiss the notion of signing here; the losing, combined with the ‘different country’ stigma & lack of ‘exposure’ makes it difficult to attract top-notch talent without having to overpay.
so, going into the tax, even if the team isn’t ready to win it all, if it’s done for the right reasons & propels the team deep into the playoffs, can have a long-term positive effect outside of just $$$.
It’s either Bosh or Bargnani … and that’s BC’s conundrum now. I suspect BC will try to get max value for Bosh because he and the MLSE cannot justify a max player on the Ratpor’s payroll now that the team is in a rebuilding mold … it just wouldn’t make sense to strangle the team payroll with a max player when the Ratpors don’t have good complementary players to back up and support Bosh.
Bosh’s time with the Ratpors is over, and it’s time for him to move on either for the next season or 2010. Bosh is apparently going through a strong summer workout regime to ensure he is in tip top shape come the next season and the 2010 max money market. He’s got to protect his $30M body against a career ending injury, just like vince did before he was traded. If Bosh isn’t traded this summer look for Bosh to cherry-pick his last season with the Ratpors with great offensive jump shooting stats and screw sacrificing his body on defence … and wouldn’t you do the same if you were him???!!!!
It’s a business, folks … and nobody is gonna fall in love with Toronto just to please the besotted tribal honkers.
i understand he was discouraged because weight gain does not come naturally to him, but its good to see that he wants to get to that 250 range. if he is 6″10″ 245, he will be much better than he already his. and with andrea at 7 foot 260 (who is hopefully working on his lower body), thats a big frontline. now do they use their weight? is the next question and can bosh gain 25 pounds in six months? wtf is goin on.
roids,hgh,protein shakes….do it.i wanna see bosh power through and make shaq eat his ass forcefully for the rupaul comments…..this is where pride comes into play.if some dude called me rupaul and a fake pf? thems fighting words.i just wish bosh would stfu about the contract,pledge his allegiance to the raptors and like khandor says”let the proof be in the pudding”….never mind video s and dvd’s and guest appearances.i want a b.a.baracus, mt.t,rocky style workout regimen and come out and kick some ass on the court…back your shit up bosh,be a real mvp.cuz right now hes a fucking poseur.
Andiamo, read our posting policy:
http://raptorsrepublic.com/blog/2009/06/15/touching-base-on-conments/
Your comments are valuable cause you make some good points, and spark debate, but you can’t curse anyone out directly except me, and then you can only do it tastefully. This is your first and last warning, thanks bro.
first and last warning eh?u gonna fucking ban me?…cool,be overrun with wankers.eatadic bitch.
Call me what you want, not other commenter’s. I think that’s fair man. Like I said, you say some good stuff, just be nice, this isn’t RealGM.
Bargs is actually 7′ without shoes, so he is actually about 7’1.5 when he plays, another reason not to trade him, he is a legitimate 7′
Bosh should be able to put the weight on before the season begins.
It seems more natural that he do it now since it’s safe to say he’s done growing and he’s been gradual enough with bulking up.
I just hope it makes a positive difference in his game. (namely post defense and helping him finsh the shots he gets fouled on (that he almost always misses)).
This demar thing is getting out of control. I’ve been following him all year and there haven’t been any character issues. His agent is doing his job (the same thing any of the agents would do, especially with demars wishy washy stock).
I think we would be hard pressed to find anyone on here, who, if put in the same position, wouldn’t do the same thing. (aka taking their agents advice).
And although I think demar could one day be good, I’d rather have tyreke because I feel he is better at creating his own shots. And while he can’t really shoot or jump, he does everything else pretty well (back up point guard, long arms, decent defender).
But I would be happy with either. I just don’t think their going to fix the problems immediately.
Imagine if Zack Randolph was coming up on a contract year and announced that, while he had abandonned weight training in the past due to frustration in not seeing results, he was committing himself in the off-season to adding 20 pounds of muscle. The guy would (rightly, in my mind) get skewered in the press as being a selfish, me-first guy who only committed to hitting the weights when it meant personal gain for himself…because really that extra muscle would have helped his team in any of his previous seasons under contract as well.
Why does Bosh always get a pass? That muscle would have certainly helped when the entire Raptors team got owned by D12 in the playoffs…
SRB,
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re: while he had abandonned weight training in the past due to frustration in not seeing results
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For the purposes of your example, please point out where CB4 has ever said something along these lines?
you’ve become a satirical apologist for mr.bosh.its awesome….***deleted for useless content*** – Raps Fan
Seriously, last warning Andiamo. Remember Cosa Nostra? He’s not posting comments for a reason…be good…
faggot.
HA, i wondred what happened to him. Did the same thing happen to nunya?
No idea what happened to Nunya…
Pretty sure nunya became cosa nostra, or he’s in jail or detention.
btw….I for one am thankful for the censoring in this instance. Although it’s sad that it’s needed, it was becoming really painful to have to sift through the childish insulting garbage to get to the good stuff. Thanks for taking the time to run the site guys.
You have to admit, some of the stuff Cosa said was pretty funny (in terms of it being completely untrue and badly written).
Shats, I agree, but the vile stuff that was written on Friday was the third time he/she did so and the second time after we had asked him/her to refrain from personal attacks.
Khandor….there have been many published reports of bosh abandoning weightlifting/strength training in the past cause he wasnt seeing results…i believe there was even a link to such a story in this mornings coffee…
clearly, you’ve not paid attention to bosh’s career.
From the Star June 5:
That’s fair, but Bosh certainly needs to get better if the Raptors are ever going to. Colangelo called it “encouraging” to hear of Bosh’s commitment to weightlifting, but it’s talk until it’s bulk. Bosh tried to get stronger a few off-seasons ago but quit after he said he “got discouraged.” Weightlifting, this just in, is hard. The stick-figure silhouette endures. Brand building isn’t body building. Surely a syringe in the buttocks is in his future?
From The Sun on the same date:
Bosh admitted he tried to bulk up two or three years ago but when he didn’t see the results he got discouraged and didn’t stay with it.
“I was like doing this, doing that, doing this and I wasn’t seeing any results,” Bosh said. “I think perseverance is a big thing for me this summer.”
His words.
During the finals, one of the announcers was talking about Howard and how he didn’t really have a developed low post game. The commentator mentioned that because of his commitment to U.S.A. basketball, Howard had been working primarily on the defensive aspects of his game (With some pretty incredible results) because that team was already loaded with scorers? Just curious as to whether anyone thinks something similar has been going on with Bosh.
I would like to know why we cant call Bosh out as we see it? If I think (or Andiamo thinks) he’s a pussy, why cant we say just that? Its not a direct insult on someone at this site…unless you truly believe cb4 takes the time out to read this shit???
Sorry, I wasn’t clear.
You can say what you want about Bosh or anyone else in the Raptor organization. You can’t curse out any of the other commenters on the site except me (and within reason).
Like above, Andiamo called me a faggot, doesn’t bother me, but he can’t call anyone else a faggot. Cool?
ok that makes sense…BOSH IS A BIOTCH and I hope he stays with the raps cause i loves me some bitches
Raps fan I applaud you for removing Cosa your half way they there.
Too bad you wont fix it 100% but it is your site and it is a good one.
Would be better if we removed both cancers but again It your site
As for the draft:
When it comes to the 9th pick I believe the Raps should be looking at these players in this order. They are no locks they all have question marks.
Harden
Curry
Evans
Derozan
Henderson
I am guessing Harden and Curry will be gone for sure and likely Derozan or Evans will be too.
I ve been watching a lot of Evans lately and all I can say is WOW he looks like a poor mans D Wade. He can get to the hole with ease. I really hope if we don’t get Curry (he will be gone) that Evans would be a good fit.
As for Bosh and Andrea I really don’t understand why they get hammered on here so much. BIGS are not this teams problems. Wing play on both sides of the floor and PG defence is our major problem. Rebounding has been addressed and will continue to be.
I don’t think Bosh is a max player but he is a really good player and should not be hammered on here like he is Pape Sow.
Andrea is still getting better by the moment and talking trades in reagrds to him are POINTLESS.
Harden wont make it to 9..I don’t mind your pecking order as it pertains to the Raptors though.
So when Khandor tosses his veiled insults at others will you delete his posts and give him a first and final warning? Or will you keep knocking off posters for reacting to his insults? Why the free pass for the most distruptive of all commentors? I don’t get it…especially considering all the crap he pulled at RealGM under his old moniker.
+1000
The rules apply to everyone. Everyone who we have a real email address for, got an email warning, the rest get it in public. We are really doing our best here. Short of making you guys register for accounts and heavy moderating, this is the best we got. We can’t edit comments for tone, because everyone will get banned, but we will for content. I promise things will get better all around, just bear with us.
Damn, those comments were hilarious, I really enjoyed reading some of those :)
simple, he hasn’t crossed the line to personal attacks filled with vile comments directed to another poster.
Khandor was given a public heads up earlier today by me. You can find it on the blog entry preceding this one. What happened on other sites with any of you guys doesn’t matter to us. We can’t control that. We started this site at the beginning of this season, so nobody had any historical relevance to this site. The subject of filling up the comment section was also addressed in the fair warning post we put up today, in advance of Andiamo’s little tirade which had enough profanity in it to rival Eddie Murphy in his prime.
Let me be as clear as possible: we have had basically one consistent complaint from readers and that is the comment section. We don’t want to go the RaptorBlog route and start putting comments into moderation. All of us are against it. That said, if you folks can’t be civil about it, we will either moderate or turn off comments altogether. As was said earlier, we are just a bunch of guys who all have day jobs and run this site for fun. We didn’t have designs on being hall monitors, nor do we really have time to.
We have said our piece in the post and I’ve said it again now. The ball is firmly in the court of who it should be: the readers. It’s your move. You either take down the site that has become one of the premiere sites relating to strictly Raptors basketball or you pull yourselves together and have healthy conversation and disagreements without resorting to saying you are going to screw someones mother or suchlike.
I for one am thankful for the censoring in this instance. Although it’s sad that it’s needed, it was becoming really painful to have to sift through the childish insulting garbage to get to the good stuff. Thanks for taking the time to run the site guys.
Alt Raps,
Please allow my take and then I shall never speak of personal conduct again.
I think ridding this site of Costa is getting rid of one of the two bad apples.
I know you said you have warned the other.
However when you have someone saying in a 24hr span that “whoever is more liked in the locker room should have the inside track on a starting center postion” and follow it up by saying we (the rest of us) Don’t understand basketball and expect for us to not to respond with get a clue duchebag comments etc are unfair when you have all ready decided you will fix half the problem go ahead and fix both problems. We all know Costa has been the short term problem and Khandor has been the long. This site is not about KHANDOR again to axe 50 % of the problem (Cosa) and warn Khandor individually and then the rest of it is disapointing to me and I am thinking most aswell. I know this is not your job and you should not have to babysit so take out the garbage once and for all give one warning and then done!
Thanks I will never speak of this again:
Go Raps.
GO RR
Lets talk free agency PLEASE!!!
I appreciate you moving on, but to answer your point: those are exactly the reasons I felt it necessary to ask he refrain from goading people.
To visit your claim of axing only 50% of the problem, know that, to a man, we all look down on personal attacks amongst posters. To come on here and see twice in a week one poster request anothers address so he can come over to f**k their mother is quite a bit different than calling numerous people out without curse words. Now, to do it ad nauseum or to fill the comment section with it is over the line, hence the request to turn it down a notch.
With respect to “one warning and done”, that is exactly what was done with Andiamo above by RapsFan. Again, you can hold up his comments next to those of Khandor and 90% of the posters here and see the difference.
To reiterate, you folks have the control over what direction we take, not us. We don’t want to be reactionary. We all have more important things to do.
Thanks for the response they only thing I would say to that is when I come on a site like this it should be about the Raptors and not about someone who tries to say he knows best we know shit and attemps to make this sit about themselves.. I want to talk/read about the draft and free agency not who someone picked in the finals and how I dont understand the game, not someone who tries to make this site about themselves and not the Raptors….To me that is worse then personal attacks as atleast those can be funny at times instead of CRAP JUNK SHIT the we here from one particular individual over and over just saying the same things over and over in different ways repeated cut and pasted its just so painful!!!!!
I AM DONE.
sorry,
Just had to be said!!!!
OK done for real….
Things I would love to discuss and read about:
Who do you we take at 9?
Who should we take at 9?
Who are the best 3-4 candites to be available at 9?
Who do you think we will sign this offseason?
Who should we sign this offseason?
Free agency, free agency, free agency, trade talk etc…
Please dont allow people to make this about anything other then RAPS and the NBA
Thank you.
I thought Cosa and Andiamo was the same person !!!!
I read the article in the Globe and it was pretty clear that Bosh wants the max. To his credit, he is trying to work on his explosiveness, but the article went on to mention some of the other people doing this exercise and they include: Quentin Ross, Maurice Ager, Acie Law and Alexis Ajica. No disrespect to these guys, but they are nowhere near Chris Bosh’s status. Where are the players like Dirk, LeBron, what are those guys doing? This session was for a hour and I am sure Chris Bosh needs more than a daily hour workout, hell thats what I do!
Bosh needs to focus on his defensive awareness and work on 1 or 2 low post moves. Especially in a multi-skilled game like basketball, it is best to work on one or two skills at a time to build a repertoire to become successful. The offensive low-post moves are necessary in situations where the Raptors need a basket to stop the run of another team.
I really think bosh needs to work on a solid post game this off-season. As we saw the last couple years is that if you put a a strong and quick 3/4 on bosh he could be neutralized. If he can get a couple post moves then he can basically unguardable and make him one of the best 4/5 in the league. Getting bigger can be useless if he comes next year with limited post moves.
Even if he doesn;t develop a go to post move, at least bulking up should improve his finishing around the rim. Although he gets to the line a lot, he doesn;t get many and 1′s ala Lebron as he doesn;t have the strength to get a shot up after he gets fouled.
I agree making that shot is important, but I don’t think its as important for a player like Bosh because he is such a consistent free-throw shooter. I think the value of adding a post move would greatly outweigh the benefit derived from improving strength.
I think Bosh should not lose his agility in expense of bulking up because his quickness is one of his greatest strengths.
Bulking up could lead to Bosh losing his biggest strength which is quickness. Bosh really needs to work on his footwork (which inturn could lead to a better postgame). His passing out of the double team needs to get better.
Instead of just of Bosh just thinking I need to bulk up to get better I think he needs to the little things first. He should watch more tape of his game throught the year with one of the assistants coaches. He really needs to improve his basketball IQ like when it is necessary to switch or not. Bosh needs to do more than to just hit the GYM.
Babyface,
For the most part, players in the NBA do not “switch” when they feel it’s appropriate. Players switch according to the specific gameplan which has been put into effect by the coaching staff for the particular opponent their team is facing that game and how their team wants to handle each of the individual players in that opponent’s rotation in a variety of defensive situations.
Players who repeatedly fail to follow the shifting gameplan, from one contest to another, are gradually phased out of the rotation.
I didn’t mean actually choose when to switch. Should have phrased that sentence better but you know what I meant.
Yeah good point, same kind of thing happened to Oden, added about 30 pounds at lost quite a bit of his athleticism. Bosh probably doesn;t need to add bulk to have a post game. He would only need to post up against quicker, and therefore weaker opponents, because he can get by bulkier opponents (notice how he kills Howard almost every time he plays him).
Sometimes I wonder if same fans love the raptors, or just love c.bosh
if you watch the results, clearly bosh hasn’t take the raptors to success.
it’s all his fault? no
but still he failed.
would you have Billups or Iverson in your team?
I think that this year’s outcome settle that matter…since it’s a team sport, it’s better to have a talented team player than a me-first legendary player.
bosh is like iverson…a player that doesn’t defende,that doesn’t share the ball.
this project has failed.
it’s time , for the team, to move on.
I wouldn’t agree with the Bosh-Iverson comparison. Bosh is not a ball hog, his assist numbers are decent for a power foward, and he has to hold the ball and score because no-one else wants to. Bosh is also a hard-worker and commits to practice and respects his team-mates and his coach.
The reason Billups improved the nuggets was because Iverson was taking shots away from Carmelo, JR Smith and Nene. If Bosh passes up shots, who else is going to take them?
shats,
In the past, Bosh has “held the ball and waited” with the Raptors primarily because their offensive structure has been, in part, designed to run in this fashion. IMO, Chris Bosh is the sort of player who will play within the confines of the structure implemented by his coaches.
Yeah man, I completely agree with you, other players on the floor need to move around and give Bosh more options and keep the defence guessing
Comparing Chris Bosh to Allen Iverson in the “AI vs C-Bills” debate is faulty.
Bosh is 24 years of age.
Bosh is 3 years away from “the start” of his Peak Performance Years.
Bosh has already been a key member of a championship-winning team.
Bosh is spoken of, by highly respected coaches, in referential terms.
Bosh has yet to be referred to as a “volume shooter”.
Bosh is one of the top rebounders in the game at his position [C].
Bosh is best described as an unselfish three-dimensional player.
Bosh has never been described as a hard to handle “coach-killer”.
The fact is … Chauncey Billups was 27 years of age when he was fortunate enough to hook-up with a coach-mentor like Larry Brown and an organization like the Pistons run by a GM like Joe Dumars year and a terrific set of complementary teammates who were ready, willing and most importantly able to follow his example of leadership, in order to collectively win his only championship as a professional basketball player.
[FYI, the great Michael Jordan was also 27 years of age when the Bulls were able to capture their 1st NBA Title; a fabulous player like Kevin Garnett was 31 years of age when he won his 1st NBA championship with the Celtics; and, a DOMINANT player like Wilt Chamberlain was 35 years of age when he won his 1st ring with Lakers.]
Those who are hyper-critical of a player like Chris Bosh, with his list of personal and team-based accomplishments to-date, need to do a bit more reading about the history of the great champions in this league.
and one.
Please excuse the spelling miscue & typo … e.g. the above should read as “reverential”.
bosh didn’t improve at all in all this years
bosh isn’t respected by the PLAYERS
bosh has already peaked…
and jordan wasn’t bloked by some mikky moore…
it’s easy to make a list :)