Kapono GTFO. Reggie, what took so long? Now I don’t know how many of you were readers of my old site before the RR days but if you were, you’ll know that Reggie Evans was a guy I was madly in love with. He was the rebounder we needed after New Jersey busted our butt and was even there to be had last summer when we opted for the far more expensive O’Neal. Let me put it this way: If you and Reggie Evans played ‘fetch’ and you threw a basketball from your 50th floor balcony he’d jump after it without hesitation. Great move by Colangelo, although any trade which has Kapono leaving town is automatically great.
There’s no secret to what Evans brings to the proverbial table: toughness, rebounding, physicality and all that without the drama of O’Neal. He averaged 4.6 rebounds in 17 minutes of playing time last season giving him a PER48 of 15.2, this would be good enough for second on the team behind Pops and his late-season run. He’s got a very reasonable contract averaging 4.7M until the end of the 2010-11 season when he’ll be 31, this means we got him in his relative prime. I don’t think utilization will be much of an issue with Evans, he’s been a guy who will give you production proportional to the minutes you give him and will always be cognizant of his role. He’s not going to try and play beyond his skill level (ahem, Hump) nor will he take possessions off (ahem, Pops).
I don’t think Triano will have trouble coaching Evans since he’s a guy that will fit into practically every system out there since every system needs what he brings. At 6 ‘8″ he’s an undersized power-forward but that’s not a concern at all, he’s a wide body that creates a lot of box-out space on the defensive end and will prevent a lot of offensive rebounds, even if he’s not the one getting the defensive board. We were bottom three in rebounding for most of last season and the only reason we climbed to the 7-10 range in most rebounding categories is that late season push. Even then, we were the second-worst team in the league in collecting only 24% of possible offensive rebounds, Evans should definitely help there as he’s great at keeping balls alive. After a couple injury-plagued seasons which prompted the trade rumours he’s bounced back with 79 and 81 game seasons so here’s hoping for his good health to continue.
You have to love the way Colangelo’s shifting his basketball philosophy to incorporate toughness.
“Reggie’s a presence on the court. He adds a little bit of a fear factor to certain players out there, maybe with some of our players in the past. I won’t divulge sources in that regard. We’ve talked to a couple of our guys, and over time you kind of learn who they’re intimidated by on the court. Reggie is a guy that strikes some fear into some people. It’s just because he’s a rugged player. He’s an aggressive, rugged player that should add some character to this team. And this team, as we talked about, might have been a little bit too nice, might have been a little bit too soft.”
Anybody want to speculate on what Raptor players had a ‘fear factor’ of Reggie Evans? My guess is Chris Bosh and Andrea Bargnani, the latter because he hates getting his nuts grabbed.
The deeper question is what this does to Kris Humphries, Pape Sow, Jake Voskuhl, O’Bryant and Pops. Voskuhl is out because, well, he’s Jake. Humphries is on the books for three more seasons at 3.2M (it would’ve been only two but Colangelo was nice enough to give him a player option) and hasn’t shown that he’s more than an average banger-type even on the best of days. As much as we like his occasional rebounding and hustle, we should realize that by this point that’s about all there is to him. Nathan Jawai is doing so-so in the D-League, we haven’t seen a signal of intent from him down there and he’s coasting his way out of the NBA at this rate. One would expect him to play really well, if not dominate, but its not happening and that $736,420 team option will be an interesting call. O’Bryant showed a little something down the stretch and is owed half a million next year, at that cost he’s almost guaranteed a roster spot. Pops is a restricted free-agent whose value to us just went down because of this trade.
I don’t think you need more than two banger-types on a team but you could conceivably have three. I’d go with Pops and O’Bryant, the latter moreso because of the cost. This would be a good tme to package Humphries in a deal and add some more shot-blocking and help-defense to the bench, something Humphries struggles to do. If however we can’t ink Pops to a deal you could always go back to Humphries hoping he’ll finally show us why we paid him the money. I’d be shocked if we kept Humphries and signed Pops.
Oh yeah, K-Fraud. I’m trying to come up with a way of summing up his time with the Raptors in one sentence and I think I finally got it: A shooter that didn’t shoot. There, we’ll leave it at that. He might actually work out in Philly where his pathetic “slashing” will be frowned upon by truer athletes such as Young, Speights and Iguodala. If he can just convince himself to stick to the perimeter and only move tangent to the three-point line, he’ll be fine. It’s only when he tries to, you know, dribble and such that he gets in hot water. Ed Stefanski hopes he does just that:
“We are very excited to add one of the league’s most prolific three-point shooters in Jason Kapono. We feel that this move addresses our goal of improving our shooting from the perimeter. I want to thank Reggie Evans for his contributions to the team for the past two seasons and we wish him only the best.”
In closing, give points to Colangelo for correcting his mistake and take away points for making that mistake in the first place.
Switching gears to the inevitable Bosh trade.
Our fellow ESPN affiliates, Hornets247, are speculating about Bosh. They’re a team that thought they had made a championship move by acquiring James Posey but soon swallowed the reality that their team is terrible enough to lose by 58 at home. So, it’s natural they start questioning their core pieces, including Tyson Chandler, David West and a guy I can see many Raptors fan liking, Rasual Butler.
Both trades being proposed include Kapono but that’s only for salry reasons, we could replace him with Banks.
- Tyson Chandler, 11.8 Mil, James Posey 6.0 Mil, Hilton Armstrong, 2.8Mil expiring, Rasual Butler, 3.9 Mil expiring, Antonio Daniels, 6.6 Mil expiring, 31.1 Mil total
- Tyson Chandler, 11.8 Mil, David West 9 Mil, Rasual Butler, 3.9 Mil and Antonio Daniels, 6.6 Mil expiring, 31.3 Mil total
The major difference between the two packages is James Posey and David West and I’d much prefer David West because Rasual Butler has the potential to bring what Posey can at a much cheaper rate. David West will be turning 29 in August and has a reasonable contract averaging around 9 Mil up until 2010-11, he has a player option for the following year at 7.5 Mil. If we’re looking not to get fleeced in a Bosh transaction, getting a player of West’s caliber would be a good option.
Defensive discipline is a big issue for the Raptors and Tyson Chandler has that base covered. He’s only 26 and is locked into a 11.5 Mil deal through 2009-10 at which point he has a player option of 12.75 Mil which he is likely to pick up. West’s post-game is superior to Bosh and he tends to play much closer to the rim than him, this has the potential to create a true dual-threat with Bargnani as it’ll allow us to mix and match perimeter and post games. Again, if we want to acquire players that are proven products this is an attractive deal which carries some merit.
What neither package includes is draft picks which to me is a deal-breaker. Depending on the Hornets’ valuation of Bosh and their belief that their current squad as assembled isn’t going anywhere, they could be suckered into giving up a pick or two. They were already willing to trade Chandler for Wilcox so the question is whether they’ll be willing to give up West and picks for Bosh. What the proposed trades also don’t addresses is our need for a scoring guard, we’d be swapping big man for big men plus Rasual Butler who is at best a great role player. The Raptors’ most glaring need is at the wing positions and these trades don’t address that in a starting capacity.
On another note, once Monta Ellis’ BYC expires on July 1st, you could basically trade him straight up for Bosh with Golden State throwing picks to sweeten the deal, or you could hold out for Biedrins. Golden State have already said that they’ll make a run at Bosh in the summer and I got a feeling its going to be the sweetest deal of them all. Any deal involving Bosh should sure up one of the two wing position for at least a 2-4 year period, anything less would be risky unless we hit it big in the draft. Speaking of draft, after saying theres no way he’s fall all the way down to 9th, Demar DeRozan will be working out for the Raptors on June 16th. Maybe he read ESPN Mock Draft 3.0.
We got some workouts today too:
- James Johnson – Forward – Wake Forest
- Earl Clark – Forward – Louisville
- Ty Lawson – Guard – UNC
- Greivis Vasquez – Guard – Maryland
We also have Robert Dozier from Memphis coming in on Thursday. Check the official dot com later in the day, they’re usually pretty good about posting player interviews and video of Jim Kelly babbling away without saying anything. Kelly would make a great White House Press Secretary. Reporter: Do you think the government is overspending? Kelly: Overspending is spending more money than you currently have, we’re actually not spending enough of the money that we’re going to have therefore we need to spend more in order to avoid having less money.
Be sure to check out the second part of our scouting sit-down with Chris Denker which got a little overshadowed by the trade.
I’m off to Kashmir for three weeks.
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hoop hash.share.
pape sow? awesome.
Yeah, not so sure Pape Sow really cares, to be honest.
Personally, I’m looking at this trade as if we were in the last minute of a close game: subbing defense in for offense.
Good start, BC. Whatcha got next?
Hey Arsenalist, you could have just finished the article after the first two words.
whatever side of the fence you’re on re. the deal, just be happy that BC didn’t throw a pick into it…i was starting to think it was a requirement for any deal he does.
now…that can’t be it, right? this has to be just the start, and if it is, then it’s a good one. shedding bad contracts is, IMO, just as important as picking up missing pieces, since doing the former makes the latter that much easier. any chance he can offload banks in a similar fashion? hmmm…not likely, as there don’t seem to be many teams with a desperate need for a shitty, D-league calibre 4th string PG with a bad contract (at the very least, kapono has an actual NBA-level skill. just one, but still). so, if the only way to deal banks is to include him in a package, and if said package would have to be pretty f’n impressive (i.e. bosh or bargs & banks), and since it doesn’t look likely that either bosh or bargs will be moved, looks like we’re stuck with banks. i can live with that.
Might as well trade Bosh, because he is going to Chicago as a free agent.
Source?
Stephen A Smith and Hoopsworld writers
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
that’s just this week’s rumour. once that dies down, it’ll be NY. then ???
yeah, Smith’s last 2 predictions rang so very true.
I do like the BG for CB swap, though.
SaS’s wittle bwain.
Woah. Really?!
Love the Evans trade! He’ll give us more boards for our bucks than Kapono gave us 3’s. (Win!)
As for the Bosh-trade discussions with the Hornets, I see them as legit. The #1 priority for the Hornets this summer is to cut costs (ie. shed salary, tigthen the belt, pinch pennies, bury nuts). Since the salary cap is expected to decrease, so will their budget. And last year, the Hornets hemoraged as much money as General Motors did. So any & all trade speculations coming out of New Orleans will involve giving anyone and everyone on their team (save CP3) for large expiring contracts (see Bosh). And as like you, I’m holding out for Don Nelson to tell whoever their new puppet GM is to offer up Ellis & Biedrins (for Bosh/Banks/Hump).
Haha imagine how pissed Bosh would be if traded to Golden State! If he thinks he has it bad here when it comes to a supporting cast….
If BC gets Ellis and Biedrins with your proposed trade, we would steal 2 franchise cornerstones in one blow, that would be F@#KING RIDICULOUS!
Biedrins = franchise cornerstone?
…hell even Monta “moped” Ellis is about as “franchise label” worthy as Kevin Martin or Gerald Wallace…
IMO, Monta & Biedrins is fair value for Bosh.
I like the Bosh/Banks for Chandler/West option. Not sure I would pull the trigger, but I wouldn’t be pissed off if it went down.
Chandler/West for Bosh would never happen. C’mon people. That’s 2 all-stars (well chandler almost made one) for Bosh. The Hornets would never do that. I’d take that deal for Bosh in a heartbeat, nevermind throwing Banks in the deal.
It’s gonna have to be one or the other, and I’d prefer West between the two of them. When you look the offers the guy came up with, the salaries don’t even match anyway.
Well the most similar case was the Pau Gasol Trade, ANYTHING’s POSSIBLE (woobibibooboobo!!!) The New Orleans owner Mr. Shinn does not know how to really care about a basketball team and only cares about his wallet, those are loser ownerships. The only thing bugging me is that West is not injury-proof (though tough) and Chandler was being shipped to OKH because he is a walking ER center.
If the Raps are going to deal with New Orleans, they should trade Bosh/Banks for West/Daniels/#21 draft pick.
West would replace Bosh as our starting PF and Daniels would be the veteran backup PG that this team needs. The deal would also save the Raps about $2.6M in salary next season and Daniels ($6.2M) is expiring after next season.
I would resign Marion as our starting SF and go after a starting SG with all our cap space, either via free agency (ie: Ben Gordon) or a trade (ie: Humphries and the #9 and/or #21 picks). I’d also draft a SF/SG to come off the bench next season (ie: Evans or DeRozan, assuming they keep the #9 pick).
Hey Arse,
Just curious as to why you now have labelled a Bosh trade as inevitable? A gut feeling, or the copious amount of rumours flying around?
Naw, I think just inner rage…
LOL!!!!!! Kudos, sir.
I think the only way Colangelo doesn’t trade Bosh this summer is if he signs him to a max-money extension which he believes isn’t justified otherwise it would’ve been a done deal by now. I think Bosh has already made it clear that he’ll settle for nothing less than the max. Colangelo’s smart enough to not risk Bosh walking away for nothing next summer.
I think signing Bosh to an extension this summer would be a lot better than signing him in 12 months time. You could keep the contract to five years, and avoid that massive pay packet in the sixth season. It’d be very nice to avoid that sixth season.
Of course, that’s irrelevant because Bosh won’t sign this summer.
As BC said in his interview, why would any of Wade, James, Bosh, etc sign this summer? Their agents knew the new CBA was due when they signed these deals and all 3 of the above have cemented themselves in their cities. It is the one opportunity these guys will have to hold their owners by their collars and force them to blink and on their own terms. That 6th season is huge to each of these guys and they (or their agents) would be foolish to take a deal that didn’t have that year on it.
The way I see it, and the smart thing to do for both Bosh and the Raps is this: There is no way Bosh gets traded this summer. Unless he HATES Toronto he’ll re-sign with the Raps next summer for at least a sign and trade, or to stay a year or two to see how it goes then ask for a trade if he doesn;t like it. He’ll get his money (unfortunately max money) by signing with Toronto. Him asking for a trade in a few years may not be a bad thing so that we aren’t paying obscene amounts of money at the end of that contract.
Why wouldnt BC keep Bosh until the trade deadline to get a better feel for his intentions/value? Bosh will be playing his ass off to stay in the ‘3rd best 2010 FA” spot (and for max money), and if we trade him the season is given up on anyway…
Bingo.
I expect the best season of his career next season no matter where he is playing. Why not have it be in Toronto?
And if it ain’t the best season of his career, might as well get rid of the bum at the trade deadline anyway.
If he really wants his max contract (and he does) he’s going to play his balls off next season. No more ill-advised three-pointers.
And if he doesn’t play his balls off, Reggie Evans will take care of that for us.
“if he doesn’t play his balls off, Reggie Evans will take care of that for us.”…..comedy GOLD!
I don’t like the rumored GS trade for Ellis & Biedrins. First, Ellis is overrated – a shoot first PG or an undersized SG. Second, Biedrins would be our backup C to Bargnani, assuming we go out and get a starting PF. Unless we do a multi-team trade or turn around and trade at least Ellis for something else, I don’t think it would be a good enough trade for Bosh, even with their lottery pick included. If we did a deal with GS, I would rather include Maggette instead of Ellis and play him at the SG position… Marion & Maggette as our wing players!
*cringes*
NOOOOOOOO!! Not Maggette! He has a bad charm that creates losing teams, there is just something about him that makes teams go 30 wins or less in a season. Ellis drives a lot to the bucket, and he will learn how to pass, someday. The only trick I can say about the trade is about the draft picks involved….
Lo all. Thought I’d mention the Hornets made money last year. They’ll make money this year too, even if they don’t cut salary.
However, like all small-market teams, they want to cut salary to get under the Luxury Tax line, because the payout from those teams over it is pretty lucrative.
from the hornets perspective, do the rumours have any merit? i simply don’t get why they’d be interested in bosh when they already get similar production from west…chandler’s contract is bad, but is it THAT bad that they’d take on bosh’s remaining ~$15M, when there’s really no guarantee he’d re-sign with them (or that they’d even want to re-sign him to a max deal, since they’ll have to pay paul soon)?
i just don’t see the allure.
There is no way both West and Chandler would be included in a deal for Bosh (even with Banks included), as the salaries don’t balance. Bosh + Banks = $18.7M / West + Chandler = $21.2M.
If the Raps are going to take on that much salary, they wouldn’t (I hope) do it for a backup – only 2 spots for Bargnani/West/Chandler. Plus, from New Orleans’ perspective, that would gut their team too much and leave them with just Paul and Bosh.
If the Raps are going to deal with New Orleans, they should trade Bosh/Banks for West/Daniels/#21 draft pick. West would replace Bosh as our starting PF and Daniels would be the veteran backup PG that this team needs. The deal would also save the Raps about $2.6M in salary next season and Daniels ($6.2M) is expiring after next season.
actually, the salaries don’t have to ‘match,’ per se, they just have to be within 25% (barring other trade restrictions & BYC status, etc.) so, bosh/banks for chandler/west does ‘work’ financially. i agree, though, it doesn’t really seem to make practical sense, unless you factor in that NO basically was willing to give chandler up for nothing, just to get out from his contract. as such, they consider him ballast, and in their eyes, the deal would be bosh for west; which, you could argue, slants in NO’s favour.
to rid themselves of banks & get back a legit player like west sounds allright, but chandler is a huuuge risk – he makes a tonne, is coming off a down (& injury-plagued) season, and at this point, it’s a crapshoot as to whether he’ll get back to where he was a couple years ago. you also have to factor in the fact he played with paul, who created an absolute boatload of open looks for him.
You are correct about the salaries not having to balance equally, just that total incoming salaries can’t be more than 125% + $100,000 beyond total outgoing salaries. I meant that it wouldn’t work for the Raps, given that they wouldn’t want to lose an all-star and add bad contracts in the same deal.
I wouldn’t take on Chandler’s contract if I was the Raps, given that he’d be a backup to Bargnani, with West playing PF.
That’s why I said that the only deal I’d consider with New Orleans would be Bosh/Banks for West/Daniels/#21 draft pick. Having said that, I still think that the Raps could get more for Bosh (both players and picks) elsewhere, but it wouldn’t be a bad deal.
PROS
- get something good for Bosh before he walks (West)
- get a pretty good veteran backup PG who can help tutor Ukic (Daniels)
- unload Banks’ horrible contract
- get another mid first round pick (#21) in the upcoming draft
- save $2.6M this upcoming season
- get $6.2M (Daniels) cap space next offseason
- Bosh goes to the western conference, far away from Raps fans
CONS
- West and Daniels don’t seem like enough talent in return for Bosh
- other rumors going around would theoretically land us at least equal talent and a higher draft pick (ie: Golden State, Chicago, etc)
Update from this morning’s workouts – Alvin Williams is a go…should be an announcement soon apparently.
Johnson and Clark were the stars in the workout with Daye looking just as weak as his combine results dictated.
Nothing confirmed on Dozier but we’ll have a full update with pics up tomorrow at RapsHQ.
PS – Arsenalist, have a great vacation – hopefully when you return Banks will be gone too!
Yesterday, heard a TV sports pundit say: “Everybody that goes to the Raptors seem to under-perform!” …. A valid observation ??!!!
Well if we have a good team with good players and a good reputation then that would be false. But because were always losing then yeah it makes everyone seem like they are underperforming in the long run.
However,
Chauncey, Rafer Alston, Damon Stadamire, Doug Christie,Kapono, all had success after they left or before they came here. Conference finals App etc.
Vince, Tracey, TJ Ford, Mike James, Rasho all regressed when they left and did nothing.
We repaired the coaching staff and BC is bringing some decent players it seems so maybe it will be a new era here.
How could you quantify a study on this?!?
Players are on different teams at different times in their careers, ie. different levels of development…
I am sure that every team gets their share of underachievers and players that flourish at that certain place and time but never again.
Let’s take a closer look at this from the beginning:
1) Damon Stoudamire had his best years in Toronto, one against that pundit
2) Tracy McGrady was very young when with the Raptors, so he was still developing, but one could not argue he did not make a contribution and show growth in his talent in Toronto, if anything he underachieved in Orlando in Houston
3) Vince Carter had his best years in Toronto also much like Mighty Mouse, other than his admitted dogging near the end, it would be hard to argue that Vince underachieved when he was in Toronto in the beginning since he was such a huge star then
4) Antonio Davis had his best years in Toronto
5) Oakley was old but he still gave it his all, same with Willis, Curry, Bogues,…
6) Alvin had his only productive years in Toronto
7) Mike James was da man in TO for a year, has he done much otherwise?
8) Donyell Marshall had his best year in Toronto, I’m seeing more of a pattern the other way so far,
9) let’s look at more recent guys like Rasho or how bout Marion even, both of them played hard here and have contributed greatly,
Give me one legitimate player who really dogged it in Toronto (other than Vince) and show me the link to why that happened because they were on the Raptors….
So called Sports pundits in the States love to whip on the Raptors, because Anti-”Furrener” sentiment gets patriotic vitrole rolling… Its an easy target, since most Canadians never see these ESPN/SI jokers, because Canada has their own Hockey loving sports people.
There is no way to substantiate that statement so it should be dismissed, much like most of the BS these idiots talk about all day on ESPN 1 and ESPN 2.
According to most media, all major sports should have teams in LA, NY, Boston, Chicago, Detroit and… well, that’s really about it as far as they are usually concerned. Toronto isn’t the only city bashed in the NBS (see Memphis, Oklahoma City, etc..).
To their point though, players have often desired to leave Toronto, hoping they can get more endorsement deals playing in larger US markets. Regardless where they have their best on-court years, there’s no denying that many stars have fled from Toronto as free agents or forced us to trade them because they didn’t want to play here. Just off the top of my head:
- Stoudamire
- Carter
- McGrady
- Mourning (refused to play a single game)
- Billups (great trade, we got JYD for him! haha)
OK look….Stoudamire wanted to leave because he was young and stupid and on a really bad team. McGrady wanted to be the man and get a huge contract which the Raps wouldn’t give him. Camby did not ask to be traded, nor did Billups, they we just traded. Billups wasn’t any good back then anyway. Mourning is just a selfish tool. VINCE is the only one on that list that demanded to be traded for no good reason. He was a huge star in the US and he was a huge star in Canada. Vince is just an ass. Leaving the Raps for endorsments in the US is not a valid or true reason that those people left the Raps.
Besides, people ask to leave a team they are on all the time, and I’m sure it happens way more frequesntly than the public knows. Geez, how many times has Kobe “demanded” a trade from the Lakers.
+1
I like it. Would the lineup go
C – chandler Bing
PF- Bargs
SF – David West
SG – Marion/#9 pick
PG – Calderon
I’m not too sure. Plus Evans off the bench we might have something here.
I don’t think Paul and Bosh will be enough though to come out of the West. They still have to go through Houston, Lakers, Denver, Portland. Bosh would be up against some tough PF’s and centers. Could be interesting.
i think that lineup needs more guys who play the 4/5…
seriously, i really don’t see chandler as much of an impact player, at least not right away (he just had surgery and will be out for months):
onerous contract + injury-prone + recent surgery = run the fuck away
even when he comes back, he’s just as bad offensively as evans (especially w/o paul setting him up); if a deal like that goes down (which it won’t), i imagine bargs would stay at the 5, west at the 4, marion at the 3, with delfino/pick at the 2, and jose at the point. not exactly the kind of lineup to strike fear in the heart of anyone…plus, with chandler & evans coming off the bench, the 2nd unit’s offensive punch would be as feeble (and as comical) as a carl lewis heater…mmm, roko, parker, evans, chandler, oh my!
just as a note that starting line-up would not happen. Either Bargs, Chandler or West would need to come off the Bench… or maybe have Bargs play SF (which I don’t see happening again either). Marion while ABLE to play sg wouldn’t. He is still a SF.
But that is just nit picking. I do like the idea of the trade (even though it will never happen)
*sigh* #21 picks border on worthless. maybe a 30% chance of a rotation player.
it feels clear to me that both bosh and BC are simply telling the straight truth. nothing this offseason. if BC does a good job rebuilding, Bosh re-signs. if he doesn’t Bosh leaves. MAYBE there is a trade at the all-star break if the season is completely in the tank (think 20-30).
all the rest is simply fun off-season speculation and TONS of american xenophobia. there is simply so much US nonsense in the reporting. all of the “why would he want to sign THERE….” stuff.
the funniest are the detroit rumors (note I have a soft spot for detroit so this is not trashing them). the city could not be more in the dumps. so much so that you have to wonder why anyone with a choice would go there. also, if they make any sort of offer to the raps they have no core left to build around. leave a bosh/bargnani/calderon core for bosh/stuckey? ya right.
The bottom line though is that the same xenophobia exhibited by members of the American media exists in the mind of American players as well. There’s not a particularly legitimate reason that American FAs aren’t attracted to Toronto, but unfortunately that’s the way it is. Some of them view Canada as a foreign place that’s a lot more different from the US than it actually is. So as frustrating as it is for us to read “why would he want to sign THERE…” stuff, what’s even more frustrating is that NBA players are reading that stuff and agreeing with it, to some degree.
And the Detroit rumours have nothing to do with Bosh’s willingness to play there. They are a team that could potentially offer the Raps an attractive package for Bosh. If that package is good enough, I don’t think BC will be too concerned about sending Bosh to run down city or to a team with a depleted core.
Oh, and #21 picks in the last 5 years include Daeqoun Cook, Rajon Rondo, Ryan Anderson and Boris Diaw. That’s one near all star and three rotation guys (Anderson played in 66 games this year and started 30), one of whom (Diaw) is quite a valuable player.
The other was Pavel Podkolzine, who, obviously, was a terrible pick.
So, in reality, there is plenty that can be done with the #21 pick.
still waiting on the inevitible, ‘This is not a move well-run organizations, with TOP-NOTCH management and a KEEN eye for assessing and evaluating talent, at the NBA level, in 2009, Operate. Rather, this is a Reactionary Move made by an (at best) average General Manager (Bryan Colangelo), and is the Wrong Move at the wrong time’ diatribe.
Dude your too funny….
I love Monta Ellis I would prefer any trade involving him.
Like David West too.
no apparently He finds This move as one that Goes against the general (Thought) that exists that a(N) eXpErIeNcEd GM of a PROlific NbA fran(C)hise would make….
WTF did I just say??? even i dont KhaNOW
Guys…keep the discussion basketball oriented, please.
Been nice around here the past 2 days, so lets try and keep it going. We don’t want to close comments again or resort to editing/deleting comments.
Thanks.
Trouble only seems to start when Khandor is one of the first commentors, it gives people too much time to think of ingenious insults (such as “you are gay” or “you are a F***ing retard”).
Gone for a walk !!!
Can anyone tell me why people on the “Bleacher Report” like to write about the Raps so much when they clearly have no clue what they are talking about? It’s quite annoying when you get people from other cities claiming that Bosh wants out of Toronto immediately and will do whatever it takes for that to happen.
re: Raptors/Hornets’ trade proposals for Bosh
The ONLY player on the Hornets roster who is worth his current weight is Chris Paul. A trade for anyone else and the Raptors would simply lose that deal.
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re: a max extension for Bosh this summer
It’s not Bryan Colangelo who thinks that CB4 may not be a good long term investment at that max dollar amount. It’s Chris Bosh who is exercising his right to the “option” of signing to play for another team next summer, instead of the Raptors, by “opting out” at the end of next season. Should the team NOT live up to HIS expectations of the type of environment in which he wishes to work, the CBA gives him the option of going elsewhere at that point, if he chooses to do so … with the prime drawback being the extra money available to him from only the Raptors if he chooses to re-sign with them.
As long as the team [i.e. Bryan Colangelo] does it’s job properly, and bounces back with a decent season … in all likelihood … Chris Bosh is going to re-sign with the Raptors next summer, because it would simply be crazy to leave $30.0 M on the table, if the team is in any sort of legit position to challenge for a top 4/5/6 spot in the EC.
Chris Bosh isn’t crazy … he’s just someone who likes to exercise the rights he’s earned as an established employee in this specific work environment.
Yes it’s as simple as that. And likely that’s how it will play out. Bosh will get his max contract from TO, and either stay in TO or get traded at some point. But he’ll sign with Toronto next summer unless for some reason he comes to absolutely hates Toronto and the Raps before then. If nothing else, Chris has shown his business accumen. He’ll sign with Toronto, and worst case scenerio we’ll get a sign & trade out of it.
30 million is a lot of cash clearly.
However if he thinks he get a ring or two with Wade or Lebron and make a portion of the 30 back in extra endorsement deals that he may not be able to get playing in the T dot he may just walk on by.
I have a gut feeling Bosh injuries will pile up as he gets older.
Playing for USA will almost every year will not help.
I would trade him now. Some may think we could not get fair marketvalue however from teams who are looking to save some money due to the econimcs of the world/nba I think there could be a good deal out there.
I like Bosh but if MLSE is not going to go into the tax paying CB4 max money is not the way to assemble a title contender.
Bosh is not a 20-30 Million guy IMO.
15-20 I can live with.
“if MLSE is not going to go into the tax paying CB4 max money is not the way to assemble a title contender”….I agree. But you still NEED a guiy like bosh to build the contender. Any way you look at it the Raps are in a tough spot with no clear solution. And I agree also that the beginning of the contract doesn’t scare me, the END of it does.
No shit eh….30 Million a year to Bosh in 5 years no thanks…..
I fear a Jeraime O’Neal in 5 years…only we won’t be getting a perenial defensive player of the year in the meantime.
“Bosh will get his max contract from TO, and either stay in TO or get traded at some point. But he’ll sign with Toronto next summer unless for some reason he comes to absolutely hates Toronto and the Raps before then. If nothing else, Chris has shown his business accumen. He’ll sign with Toronto, and worst case scenerio we’ll get a sign & trade out of it.”
Rap of the fricken millenium!
Just tweeted that Chad Ford’s Mock Draft 4.0 has the Raptors selecting DeMar DeRozan.
http://twitter.com/raptorsrepublic/status/2106289831
as first reported on Raptors Republic, like 3 months ago!
I believe Fords exact line of:
“But if he’s here, sources say the Raptors won’t pass.”
was a direct quote of the Dr.
and
“If DeRozan is gone, they’ll decide between Duke’s Gerald Henderson and Holiday.”
also sounds very familiar.
peace.
As it stands right now the Raps have 3 pg, 6 bigs, and 0 wings under contract.
Of those 6 bigs only Andrea is a center and some could argue he is PF so I believe a backup center (most likely Rasho) will stil be acquired.
BC stated that ideally a 15 man team would be made up of 3 PG 6 wings and 6 big.
It seems to me know that having 5 PF makes no sense. I think if Hump can be moved he will but if I hate to rate these 6 bigs we have under contract as well as the Rasho and Pops possibilites I would rate them as follows
1. Bosh
2. AB7
3. Rasho
4. Hump
5. Reggie (I will grab your balls) Evans
6. Pops
7. Obryant
8. Jawai
I realize salary is factored in thus moving Hump makes sense.
However I would love to see BC let Obryant/Jawai go.
It will be tough to acquire 6 wings and a backup PG even with the draft and cap space we have unless a big is moved and the only one that makes good money besides CB4, AB7 and Ball graber is Hump.
So unless Bosh is traded, Hump is likely to be moved but for what?
Anybody got any hump trade ideas?
Does anyone have these 8 bigs in a different order?
Interesting chatter from a Phoenix Suns site…
No idea how valid the talk is, but they are apparently looking at the Raps as a target to dump SG Jason Richardson’s $12M salary. They said he didn’t fit well in their system and mentioned a package of Graham/Banks/Jawai to get salaries close enough. Graham is a free agent, so not sure how that would work (sign&trade?), but Humphries/Banks/Jawai would (according to ESPN trade machine, once Hump’s BYC tag comes off July 1st).
At first I balked at the idea of taking on J-Rich’s $12M salary for two seasons, but then I realized I’d rather pay him $12M than pay Humphries/Banks/Jawai a combined $9M!
Calderon/J-Rich would make a pretty potent starting backcourt, with Delfino/veteran PG in reserve. Could be a decent option if we can’t attract a top-tier free-agent SG, such as Ben Gordon. Plus, it wouldn’t eat all our cap space, leaving us options to further strengthen our bench.
Despite being a fantastic dunker, Richardson is actually really more of a jump shooter, who rarely attacks the basket. I’m not saying he sucks, but I don’t think he’s what we’re looking for right now.
Who wouldn’t do that deal? Dumping 3 useless players for a great starter at a position of need is a no-brainer. But once again, why in the world would PHX do that deal? Total BS.
I got the possible big men for next year ranked like this:
1) Bosh
2) Bargnani
3) Nesterovic
4) Evans
5) Hump
6) Pops
7) O’Bryant
8) Jawai
Pretty much the same, except I don’t consider Hump as good as Evans. Hump is a small big, and the Raps need big BIGS. Rasho and Andrea are legit 7 footers. Bosh is close but since he slight in build. Evans is a monster and all we need him to do is rebound, intimidate and put people on the floor. The last four have not proven that they can do that consistently like Evans can. Hump has talent, but he has also been in the league for like five years. Just because he was great in college does not mean it will translate. I like his hustle, but he makes too many bad decisions still. Evans don’t need the ball at all to make an impact on a game. I would like to keep Pops and Patrick, trade Hump for a wing or a point. No reason why we can’t make Arajuo into an even better player now since Hump has shown some promise. I just don’t wanna wait for him like we have for Joey Graham. There is no guarantee that Hump will ever play consistently enough to merit substantial playing time. Not to mention he is damaged goods after last year.
haha I dunno about “damaged goods” – the guy just broke his leg. Its common and has no long-term effects whatsoever…
Listening to BC’s post-trade press conference he listed off all his bigs (except Pops) and then said “and then you have to consider the option of Pop’s contract situation….. he has by no means earned himself a roster spot” etc.
Sounds like BC likes Hump over Pops, which makes sense considering their contract situations and Hump has more potential, is much more physical (would be used defending bruising centers), etc
These articles from Tim Chisholm are bang on and well worth the read:
http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/tim_chisholm/?id=281259
http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/tim_chisholm/?id=281456
I like his idea of drafting Jonny Flynn and buying a later pick to draft Buddinger, while getting rid of Roko and Hump along the way, and re-signing Marion, Rasho and Delfino.
As a die hard sixers fan, im just letting you know, that reggie evans is the worse basketball player i have ever seen.
Until you see Kapono….haha
+8
We have seen Evans play too Justin. Son, just because he doesn’t score points don’t mean he is not a decent b-ball player. Just wait until you see that JK’s jump shot ain’t what it used to be, then you will see your team made a big mistake yesterday. Kapono is no Korver.
We call Kapono ‘Winebago’, cuz he be a ‘Travellin Man’.
If im BC I hold out and wait for Golden State. I totally agree with Arsenalist when he says they will throw us the sweetest deal. IF they send Randoplh or Belinelli along with Ellis or Biedrins (any deal would have to have their loto pick)it would have to be an option.
GS have expressed interest before and i wouldnt be suprised that if Bosh is not wearing a Raptor uniform at the start of the season, he’s going to be wearing a Warrior uniform.
What about Bosh to Memphis, for Mayo/Milicic/2 first round draft picks? We’d get a good young SG, decent backup C (Milicic’s $7M expires after next season) and have 3 first round picks (#2, #9 and #27). We could then use those draft picks, along with Humphries and our cap space, to pickup a couple starters and a couple draft picks.
They would NEVER do that. More likely to happen is Rudy Gay, The #2 pick and Milicic.
Mephis wouldn’t do this because they lose OJ Mayo and draft picks to rent bosh for year.. Bosh won’t sign there.
Memphis has fallen on hard times. Even if they acquire someone like Bosh it’ll be for salary dump reasons, nothing more. I don’t think they’re planning on contending any time soon and are just looking to pay their draft picks. They won`t re-sign Rudy because they won`t want to pay him the money he will command. Look for another Gasol-type trade from them this summer or next.
Memphis “gave away” Pau Gasol last season. Now they’re expected to mortage their future to rent Chris Bosh. C’mon…
Memphis turned DOWN Gay and Conley Jr. for Amare this year. No way they trade Gay. And they will re-sign him + Mayo.
Ew.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=DraftWatch-090604&addata=2009_insdr_mod_nba_xxx_xxx
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
what does it say?
That Tyler Hansbrough had better results in the vertical jump and lateral quickness drills/tests than Bosh. I’m not sure if that’s versus Bosh’s scores at his combine when he was a rookie or what they’re listed at now, but either way that scares me.
how much do combine scores matter? per m. grange, not much.
Why should it scare you? Bosh does not lack athletcism and it does not hold him back at all. Besides, Hansborough’s athleticism is offset by his lack of height and short arms. Bosh is a good 6′10, 6′11 and has very long arms, making up for his supposed lack of athleticism
I agree with Arsenalist and Info – Golden State has the most wealth to cough up and are one of the top teams in terms of interest for Bosh.
This trade makes sense, in terms of cash, but I could also see them including Crawford in one way or another, which I would have NO qualms about whatsoever.
Bosh – 14,400,000
FOR
Biedrins – 9,000,000
Randolph – 1,700,000
CJ Watson – 700,000
Belinelli – 1,500,000
1st rounder
The keys to this for me are Randolph and the 1st rounder, but I like Watson as a servicable back-up. Randolph is still maturing, but he’s a freak who just needs polish, and he would likely thrive under Triano after having to deal with the head-case that is Nelson. This kid’s already good – he could be great.
I also like the idea of shifting Bargnani to PF and Biedrins into the starting C spot.
Yes, it’s a youth movement, but all of these players saw a fair amount of the floor last year due to the Nelson Revolving Door.
The flashes of potential I’ve seen from Belinelli justify a mention too.
Okay im sorry but this article dosn’t make sense in terms of the trading partners raptors might have. . . Why would we take anything from the hornets? unless they give us chris paul. . . Yeah id much rather be happy with that cuz tysun chandler is injury prone. . . David west he’s good but not an all star in my eyes. . . He’s over rated for me. . . If you have two superstars on a team then that teams should put up a challenge in the playoffs and hornets got blown away into the garbage type teams. . . Thanks but no thanks i’ll pass. . . As for Goldenstate if they want bosh then they gotta throw in randolf, ellis, and their first overall pick for bosh! Yes you herd me right, your dumb article is missevaluating the value of bosh by giving us nothing!
And number two why don’t the raps just trade bosh for beasley that would clearly be better then what detroit can offer us or even chicago. . . We need a superstar or someone whose better then bosh. . . We’re selling ourselves short, if he was in States ppl would praise him more then Garnett. . . I think we should straight out target Griffin. . .How do we do that? Trade bosh to memphis for their 2nd overall pick and may be take a guy like darko. . . Trade our second overall pick to the clippers for their first overall pick and may be take baron davis off their hands! it gives them more flexibility, and gives us Griffen! Im sure raps can take a right step in the right direction after we got screwed over by vinces immaturity. . .
If we are going make a trade with G-state I would rather have Randolph than Biedrins. Randolph is the most intresting player in the nba and could be future all-star if developed well. IMO ppl on RR overrates Biedrins way too much he serviceble center but not a center piece in a trade for a mutiple time All-star (Bosh).
I still think that the target must be detroit: they have the best team veterans, people that knows how to win and how to play with your partners.
plus, dumars is dumb enough (billups…curry…) and willing to show detroit’s fans that he is going somewhere in destroying their previously winning team
Kaine. . . Their good wingers in detroit but not the type that will make you into a championship team. . . The best player they had was bullips. . . We we loose bosh we loose inside toughness. . . And number two we can only trade him for pieces from GS and i would say randolf, ellis and their first overall pick. . . And number two we can trade for blake griffen or even greg oden who i think will step up soon enough
Bosh is the only guy on the Raps last season who could guarantee offensive productivity, and who was able to carry the offense when the team was shooting bricks.
We NEED someone who can do that and MORE in the upcoming trade. And I don’t think that player has been mentioned yet.
Scott.
How about this idea guys and gals…?
Bosh and BC’s real master plan is have BC trade him to any team willing to offer Toronto some high quality pieces then he resigns with Toronto after next season with max money. Dynasties are built from within. Can it still happen with today’s me first mentality?