The boys at the home office in Athabasca, Alberta have just faxed this in. The category is Top Ten Reasons Chris Bosh will re-sign with the Raptors.
- Money! Raptors will refuse to pull a sign-and-trade forcing Bosh to get his deal in T.O.
- MuchMusic will always be glad to have him on, MTV would be like, Who are you again?
- This is a great city to underachieve and still get respect.
- Only with the Raptors will he have a chance of being the best player on a team.
- The less he’s on US national TV, the less the chances of everybody finding out he’s not what he’s cranked up to be.
- Colangelo will perform the sell-job of his life and in the process earn himself an extension.
- Who in their right mind would give up a chance to play with Marcus Banks?
- As part of the deal, Triano will let him call plays and Colangelo will let him make personnel decisions.
- Soft media. No one in Toronto will question anything he does both basketball-wise or off the court.
…and the #1 reason why Chris Bosh will re-sign in Toronto…drum roll….
- There’s zero pressure to win.
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i say we let arse sit in on negotiations with botch and bc.
Even the guys on PTI last night said that if Bosh thinks he’s worth a max contract and making the same at LeBron and Wade, he’s out of his mind.
The guys on PTI fit into the category which Kobe has described as, “People who don’t understand the game.”
Well since Kobe said so….I wouldn’t believe the sky was blue if that dude said so.
While Kobe Bryant might not know what colour “the sky” is the chances are pretty good that Kobe Bryant is an excellent judge of who understands “the game” and who does not.
re: There’s no validity in some comments made. – by Cosa Nostra
Never has there been more true words written on Raptors Republic.
Scott Carefoot thinks this guy is a lunatic.
Scott Carefoot on raptorblog thinks this guy is a lunatic.
and what makes him a good judge of character?
he must have read someone else say that…
And you are a good judge of talent? PTI guys get paid alot of money to do something they love. They are smart and accurate. meanwhile you think your some Big shot and your blog is an absolute disaster and embarrassing. LOL
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Wilbon knows his shit
I think he does but sometimes his Laker-love makes him downright unwatchable. He was practically in tears after Game 4 of the Denver series. Kornheiser was much more tolerable when I used to just listen to his radio show (he was a good alternative to the Sports Babe) but since he got on TV he just reminds me of Peter Vescey every time I look at him.
And speaking of unwatchable, PTI is gold compared to that rip-off called Double Dribble with Eric Smith and Paul Jones. Both good guys, terrible TV personalities.
Oh god what a mess that show is. I’m glad I don’t get RapsTV anymore so I don’t have to watch that garbage.
RapsTV is in desperate need of some funding. The original programming they come up with on that channel is laughable.
Rye I agree 100%. I can pay Luis Scola 3 mill a year and get better production and heart then Bosh at 130 million. Bosh is a 3 dressed as a 9.
Man it’s sad to see how ignorant you people south of the border are, including all of you and ESPN.
I agree CB4 is not the superstar captain that will lead the raptors or any other team to a championship. He is not the #1 guy in my opinion he is what Pau Gasol is to Kobe or what Amare is to Nash. But to think for 1 minute that Toronto doesnt have a big market, or theres no pressure to win.
You guys need to take a look in the mirror so you can see things clearer, either that or come to Toronto.
Fans here have been calling not just for Colangelo’s head but pretty much every raptor except Bosh. And now that he had refused to sign an extension people want to see him swapped for the best possible deal.
They forgot:
11. Toronto is loaded with hot Caribbana gals from the Islands lusting for Bosh-boy mon.
Yeah I was bit dissapointed that Bosh thought he deserved the same money as LeBron and Wade. IMO theres only 3 players that deserve a max-deal:
Kobe
LeBron
D-Wade
and 2 players that could potentially deserve max deals:
Kevin Durant
Carmelo Anthony
I think Bosh might go under the next group with the likes of Nowitzki, Granger, Gasol, Johnson as players who might be good enough to be the best player on their team but NOT good enough to win a game by themselves.
Hey Hey. Carmelo, Dirk and Danny Granger can actually beat 500% teams pretty often. Granger single handedly beat the Lakers 3 times last season.
When has Bosh done that?
How could granger beat the lakers 3 times when he played them twice. We all know you hate bosh but you don’t have to make up bullshit to prove your point.
OMG REALLY
2 Then.
Granger beat them. Bosh can’t
I’d consider adding Chris Paul to the max-worthy list.
I’d also replace Melo with D12 in the maybe… Melo isn’t even the most important player on his team arguably, that doesn’t seem to me deserving of max money.
Yeah I just realized I left D12 and CP3 on that list. Maybe Al Jefferson may fit into the 3rd group.
Arsenalist, excellent post. I agree completely.
Absolutely no pressure to win, that is true. Jay Triano is in charge now. That’s laughable in itself. This isn’t Chuck Daily we have here. Now Bosh can relax, take nights off and put up his 20/10 and collect a paycheck. That’s why he wanted Mitchell gone and now the lackadiasical Triano can be jerked around by the players and what’s he going to do? Nothing.
Cosa Nostra- It’s Daly. And if you need a testamonial on Triano’s coaching ability, look up what Nash has to say about him or how the team feels about him.
OR just continue with your comments that lack perspective.
I’m sure Nash went well and I’m positive that Triano is a great guy. But People say good things about other folks all the time. They need to be politically correct you know and not sound like an ass. There’s no validity in some comments made.
- Phil Jackson said Dennis Rodman was the best player he ever coached.
- Shaq posted that he wants Kobe to get his 4th ring.
- Lebron and Kobe both saying that the pressure of the Olympics is more important then being in the NBA Finals.
You get my drift? lol
What Lebron & Kobe said about the Olympics is 100% accurate.
What Shaq said about wishing a 4th ring for Kobe is 100% accurate.
Phil Jackson said that Dennis Rodman is The Best ATHLETE he has coached.
re: There’s no validity in some comments made. – by Cosa Nostra
Never has there been more true words written on Raptors Republic.
No they are not accurate you *** (be nice). lol
Shaq wants Kobe to win because he wants Dwight and SVG to loose badly and hates them and the franchise. Fact.
Kobe and Lebron said that because they “lost” in the finals.
Michael and Kobe are better athletes then Rodman.
Again, didn’t I tell you to get off this site?
You think deep down Shaq really wants Kobe to get a ring without him? No. Was Shaq happy when Boston beat the Lakers last year? Yes I bet. If it were Cleveland and Lakers finals he would route for Lebron in a second.
This is the first thing i have agreed on with Cosa.
Another reason for Bosh to re-sign:
Matt Devlin will let Bosh wear his wig for a character he’s playing in a new YouTube video.
I’m surprised it took this long for someone to comment on his toup. Well played.
And Bosh can sell his name in Canada better than the U.S is actually a valid reason the BC should mention. If bosh takes it the wrong way than hes obviously dulusional.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
What do ppl think Houston could get for T-Mac?
Vince Carter sounds about right.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=rcehwm
Wonder if Riley will take a chance on T-Mac by flipping JO. Could be that second star Wade needs.
re: The category is Top Ten Reasons Chris Bosh will re-sign with the Raptors.
The category is … THE No. 1 Reason Chris Bosh Will Re-Sign With The Raptors.
1. Chris Bosh has confidence in Bryan Colangelo’s ability to build a championship team in Toronto, based on the evidence he has seen first-hand, since Feb 2006.
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The category is … THE No. 1 Reason Chris Bosh Will NOT Re-Sign With The Raptors.
1. Chris Bosh does NOT have confidence in Bryan Colangelo’s ability to build a championship team in Toronto, based on the evidence he has seen first-hand, since Feb 2006.
It’s as simple, and as complicated as that.
Your an **** (be nice) LOL
You don’t have to complicate all your posts and confuse yourself you know
You know, someone who choses as a nickname ‘Cosa Nostra’ – that is, the Sicilian Mafia – should be banned from his country for dishonor and treason. And of course, shouldn’t think about basketball but about himself and his set of values…LAME LAME LAME LAME.
Bryan Colangelo [representing MLSE] is the individual who SHOULD now be on trial here … not Chris Bosh.
Agreed,
Chris Bosh has done nothing wrong. We shouldn’t hate on Chris for doing something that 99% of us ould do in the same situation.
Colangelo, on the other hand, has managed to surround him with one of the worst supporting casts.
Very true. However I hate revisionist history by people who claim BC’s made no good moves since he got here. Some didn’t work out, but he took calculated gambles and lost. As long as you roll >50% you’ll come out on top.
How can you say he has won >50% of the time when the record and performance of his team has gotten progressively worse?
BC knows more about NBA basketball than 99.9% of canadians…Triano is the other .01%
i forgot steve nash
That statement has no relevance. It would if he was competing against Canadians, but he isn’t.
What percentage does your calculator give you when comparing him to Americans?
Im going on record to say that every move he has made has been terrible. But the one that rally helped us was Juan Dixon trade. He was a great spark plug off the bench and was better then Ukic and banks and the shit we have now
This comment is ridiculous. Bringing in Parker and Garbo made this team WAY better.
In fact, Garbo ruining his NBA career was something BC had no control over, robbed the team of an X-factor that it has still yet to recover from – to this day, they haven’t been able to fill that glue-guy role.
Further more, while JO couldn’t stay healthy, BC was able to turn Rasho and a disgruntled Ford into Marion and his expiring contract. The subtlety of that move shouldn’t be over-looked.
You can blame Bosh for wanting max-money, drinking the media-spotlight-hound kool-aid, and lessening the Raps trade leverage by announcing that he wouldn’t be signing an extension this summer.
and thereby rewarding Miami with a huge expiring contract for the summer in which the league has never seen in years previous.
Yup…very subtle.
someone who choses as a nickname ‘Cosa Nostra’ – that is, the Sicilian Mafia – should be banned from his country for dishonor and treason. And of course, shouldn’t think about basketball but about himself and his set of values…
Ad Hominem
ad hominem? No way, it’s just nomen omen, and of the worse ever…Mafia, do you know that, or just b-ball?
1) khandor and cosa nostra shut up
2) if the Raptors 47-win season came in year 3 of BC’s tenure and the 2 (more) mediocre seasons came before everyone would be hailing him like they did in year 1. He’s done a decent job and there is not a viable candidate who anyone can say would have done a better one. His moves deserve criticism, as do the major players on the roster – Bosh, Bargnani, Calderone and, for now, Marion but he’s done a passable job. It will be interesting to see how the next 2-3 years pan out. They could go either way.
Cue the long, slightly dishonest and incredibly arrogant khandor post and cosa nostra calling me or someone else something . . . Anyone else who wants to make an actual comment or say something different, please step in.
Here is where my concern lies: sustainability. Obviously, the way you lay it out above is true and people who hated his hiring would be eating crow. Truth of the matter is, of course, it has been the reverse. In his time here, he has yet to bring in someone close to being a significant role player on this team that has either stayed here or panned out. You can give him Bargs, but you’d hope most GMs couldn’t screw up a #1 pick, especially given our roster then and now.
I’m all for being patient. Anybody who attended every home game since day 1 like I did HAS to be patient. That said, I’m getting a little bit more irritated every time I see “wait 2-3 years” used in conjunction with this basketball club. Factor in the notion that some are heralding the return of Carlos Delfino as a step in the right direction and worthy of unbridled enthusiasm and I begin to weep. Almost.
The teams achievements in his tenure here speak volumes to his ability to assemble a team. I’m not one to care about superstars, but I do appreciate talent and how difficult it is to get the perfect combination. If I saw steps forward in that regard, I’d be a lot more patient and supportive. Every summer I expect a rabbit, but so far all I have ever seen is something akin to fake flowers.
I’m not really arguing with your take. Colangelo has been mediocre so far in what he has done with the team. My point, if I have one, is that being a GM is a long-term process. Short of abysmal failure or an obvious and substantial upgrade becoming available, I think just about any GM should get somewhere in the neighbourhood of 5 years to rebuild a team. BC’s only got 2 years left before the shit’s all his. And like I said, right now it looks like it could go either way.
And about the always waiting 2-3 years thing, since you’ve usually got to be bad (and then lucky and smart) to get good in the NBA isn’t every team whose first stab at respectability screws up in that position? You try and hope it works and when it doesn’t you try again. I think drafting Bargs was as much a Plan B if Bosh walks as an attempt at instant respectability.
True, if you look at it in terms of just GMs. As a supporter of this team, though, I look at it (in the broad sense) as “waiting” on the team. The Vince era is long gone in these parts and surely we should be on the upswing…when in reality we are going in quite the opposite direction.
Glen Grunwald is not a GM. Never should have been. Yet, under his watch, we went further than ever. He took a team that was so bad he felt the need to apologize at centre court and took them to within a bounce rattle and drop of the conference finals, all with little cap room and no number one pick.
BC comes in, guns ablazing, with a #1, some cap room and a cemented all star. Rolls lucky dice to get a banner and then….naught.
I have always said, and will continue to say it: a capologist will win you games. A flashy GM will fill break your heart.
I’m making valid points though. Why not try and counter them instead of swearing at people? Do you not have a brain :)
“Why not try and counter them instead of swearing at people?” dude, lol
Hahaha I loled too, straight from the horses mouth, eh?
Cosa Nostra your an **** (be nice) and thats just striaght up, i love chris bosh but if he goes it isn’t the end of the world for the raptors, with bosh gone they got room to pick up another star and start working around him… if he stays then great, hes the best powerfoward in the game today and whoever says hes not ur a moron….and 2nd, ya maybe he doesnt deserve a max out contract right now but once he finds out hes not a getting a max contract anywhere tha situation will slide away. you guys chirp him just becuase hes not signing an extension…doesnt mean he wont resign with them next year, hes just keeping his options open, i dont see any problems with that and i’m sure anyone in his role would do the same.
Cosa Nostra your an idiot and thats just striaght up, i love chris bosh but if he goes it isn’t the end of the world for the raptors.
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I’m going for my MBA at York at Schulich Business in September. Best school in Canada. Can’t really be an idiot if I’m making $45/h already can I?
Did I just not say that the last few weeks about Bosh? LOL. I said months ago that I can pick several players with better overall talent then RuPaul I never said we need Bosh to survive. I rather have 2-3 good players in exchange for him actually. We’re a 30 win team with him anywho so can it really get any worse then that? This team needs a leader and Bosh has not shown that in 6 seasons. Trade him.
first off i didnt ask for your education and if you think thats the best school in canada then you deserve to be going there, and how has he not shown leadership??? you dont call winning there division anything??? hmm ok… just cuz they have one off season and yes a disapointing season doesnt mean you jump on the get rid of bosh train..this is all a joke and whatever happens happens.
Based on your entire body of work on this site, any astute observer would clearly agree that yes, you are an **** (be nice).
Couldn’t get into Rotman?
What’s interesting is that Chris Bosh says winning is most important, but he also believes he should be paid max money. I’m completely convinced those two things are mutually exclusive. And unless he knows something I don’t know about how much better he can possibly get next year, he must be delusional if he doesn’t see this.
His best chance at winning after this contract would be to team up with another megastar, in the LBJ, Wade, CP3 strata. But if he were to play with one of those guys, there’s NO WAY he’d be getting paid max money. The other guy would, with Bosh being the second highest paid (and second best) player on the team.
If Bosh wants to be the max-money-alpha-dog-best-player-on-the-team, then he almost HAS to resign with Toronto. If he moves to another team where he’s still the best player, is it really going to be a better situation than here? I doubt it… it’d be a lateral move at best.
My personal observations and memories of one CB4
…Draft night
…crying on the bench
…chewing out Bargs
…chewing our Moon
Playing with fierce abandon going after all those rebounds in his possible last game as a Rap. for his 20/10.
Is Bosh a good baller,yes he is,but I am concerned with dishing out max dollars that we wont have anything left in the tank to possibly attract without paying the lux,and the organisation has already said that they wont.
Please Khandor and Cosa,I appreciate both your lack of passions for Bosh or lack of passions for Bargs…..but enough already both you guys are starting to sound like broken records.
Khandor,I have to say,I enjoy going to your site from to time…but this is not your site…and Cosa you should get your own site because it seems you have highjacked this one.
lol It’s easy really. I think Arsenalist is the only one who watches basketball it seems and the rest are always off track.
Yeah you saw Bosh at the end of the season become a rebound machine beating 6 bad bad teams. Where was this the other 77 games though? Me thinks someone was trying to pad their stats too.
In reality, Bosh is at his best playing the Leagues worst or great teams but their best player injured. That’s when he can win. In 2007, he was so dominant and beating good teams because the East was completely depleted by injuries. Boston, Orlando, Atlanta and Phili were in the east basement and we just overachieved and other coaches sat back and watched in amusement. lol
My point is, whereas Garnette, Duncan, Amare, Dirk, and Howard can “play the same” against any team, Bosh can only perform well against a non playoff team. Fact. What happens when we go on a 7 game west coast trip every year? We loose 6 and beat Sacremento at the end. A Franchise player would make sure we don’t loose at the rate we do but Chris is in his own world.
“Bosh can only perform well against a non playoff team. Fact.”
Vs. Atlanta: 24.8/10.5
Vs. Chicago: 23.5/11.3
Vs. Denver: 24.0/11.5
Vs. Detroit: 24.0/9.3
Vs. Miami: 25.3/8.3
Vs. New Orleans: 25.0/8.0
Vs. Orlando: 24.5/12.8
Vs. Philly: 24.5/8.8
Vs. Utah: 24.0/10.5
So, uh…you know…not really “fact”
#1. What might actually qualify as being completely “idiotic” is when someone who does NOT own or operate this web site trys to tell someone else who leaves comments here what that other person should or should not do on this site. Guess what? Save your breath, and the associated keystrokes.
#2. Those who think that what I do and write on this site does not meet with the express written approval of this site’s owners/operators could not possibly be more WRONG.
Bringing in Parker and Garbo made this team WAY better.
In fact, Garbo ruining his NBA career was something BC had no control over, robbed the team of an X-factor that it has still yet to recover from – to this day, they haven’t been able to fill that glue-guy role.
Further more, while JO couldn’t stay healthy, BC was able to turn Rasho and a disgruntled Ford into Marion and his expiring contract. The subtlety of that move shouldn’t be over-looked.
You can blame Bosh for wanting max-money, drinking the media-spotlight-hound kool-aid, and lessening the Raps trade leverage by announcing that he wouldn’t be signing an extension this summer.
What it all boils down to is:
1. Give Bosh his max money contract and build around him, or,
2. Trade Bosh now and build a no-name, no all-star team with athletic players.
3. Let Bosh play out his contract and have him walk .. and hoping to buy FAs with cash.
The question I have is: Do you just build around players or do you build around players and a capable coach? Do the Raptors currently have a coach and team with playoff potential .. or are we witnessing a long transition process where the Ratpors will be designed to peak in 3-4 seasons when the current league leading teams disintegrate away???
BC can blather all he wants about having a ‘playoff’ team for next season to goose up season ticket sales … but we all know that this current Ratpor roster is not a contender, and it’s not even entertaining to watch any more.
What do mean by no-name athletic players cuz Gerald Green is a no-name athletic player. In todays NBA you are going to need to have a franchise player build around with one or two elite/all star players and role players. Other than the pistons in 2004 every other NBA championship team had distinct superstar who was the face of the franchise.
In everything I have ever written on-line about the Raptors, not once have I ever advocated that Bryan Colangelo should be fired by the team, at this time.
What I have said, however, are things like this:
* Bryan Colangelo should not have been hired by MLSE, if the goal is to win the NBA championship one day in the not too distant future, which is what it should be, IMO.
* IMO, Bryan Colangelo is an average GM; nothing more and nothing less than that.
* IMO, Bryan Colangelo … as a representative for MLSE … is the person who should be held accountable for what’s happened to this team since Feb 2006.
* IMO, Richard Peddie & Larry Tanenbaum, as the two major “faces of the franchise”, from an ownership perspective, are the individuals who should be held accountable for what happened to this team since MLSE assumed full control of the Raptors.
* IMO, Chris Bosh is a terrific young Center in the NBA who, if he’s used properly and built around, has the character and the skill set, etc., to be a foundation player on a championship team for the Toronto Raptors.
* IMO, Jose Calderon is a terrific youngish Point Guard in the NBA who, if he’s used properly and built around, has the character and the skill set, etc., to be a foundation player on a championship team for the Toronto Raptors.
* IMO, a main problem for the Raptors has been the team’s overall lack of Quality Depth.
* IMO, Bryan Colangelo deserves the chance to fix the problems which exist and the ones he’s created for this organization.
* IMO, this organization has now had more than one chance to build a terrific long term contender in the Eastern Conference and failed on each of these occasions, despite the resources at its disposal. Hopefully, it doesn’t screw it up again … although most of what’s happened in the last few years indicates that this is exactly what is going to happen again, and again, and again, etc. … until there is fundamental, transformational change at the very top of their organizational flow chart, which then trickles down and effects each level below that.
* IMO, there a lot of different people in Raptorville with a lot to say about the team that, unfortunately, do not have a sophisticated understanding of How The NBA Game Works, despite thinking that they do.
* How can you tell who actually knows what they’re talking about and who does not?
“The proof of the pudding is in the eating.” – Anonymous
Time is the final arbitrator of exacty whose opinion about something specific … said in advance … was actually Right or Wrong.
Time is what tells all.
You’re a broken record… The only new thing I’ve learned from reading your recent posts here and on your site is that you were recently confused about whether Al-Farouq Aminu was in the draft or not and that there’s nobody worth drafting other than Danny Green.
1. That might be because you are someone who has difficulty learning new things. Afterall, as the old saying goes, “When the student is ready to learn [something new] only then does the teacher appear.”
2. If the Toronto Raptors ARE a broken record that keeps playing the same less-than-stellar music it’s a basic mistake in judgment on your part to try and point the finger at the someone else for humming that exact tune over and over and over again. It’s the responsibility of the record’s producer to make sure that the record itself gets fixed properly.
If the artist was great from the get-go the record wouldn’t need to be fixed in the first place.
Who exactly are you suggesting is in fact “the artist” behind the broken record which is the performance of the Toronto Raptors since MLSE took full control of the team?
A. khandor
B. COLANGELO’S MASTER PLAN
C. Jose Calderon
D. Chris Bosh
E. Bryan Colangelo and the owners who comprise MLSE.
This is a case of a guy shouting on a streetcorner, not some song that I can’t get out of my head.
“Please don’t dominate the rap, jack, if you’ve got nothin’ new to say”…
-Grateful Dead
If YOU think that someone else is shouting on a street corner then what you have the right to do is simply Walk On By.
khandor … the truth be known, Bosh doesn’t want to play for Toronto any more … he wants to move on to a team with a chance to reach the playoffs next season. He may even want to play for one of the Texas NBA teams to bring him closer to his family and friends .. ever think of that.
Also Bosh may not want to play for a rebuilding team, because he’s been there with the lugubrious Raptors … enough is enough … it’s time to move on … and many of the current “franchise” players will be switching teams in 2010.
Just imagine if a team like the Knicks were able to get Bosh for next season … that would be a major attraction for somebody like Lebron to opt for the Knicks in 2010 too. Bosh can be used as ‘bait’ to bring a big all-star player to NY. Just imagine ….
If that was really the case with Bosh’s thinking it would be no problem for me.
By the end of the 2009-2010 season, he will have fulfilled the obligations of his contract with the Raptors and should be free to sign his next employment agreement with whichever team he wants.
The fact is, however … that, at least, to this point … Chris Bosh has not publicly indicated that the type of thinking which you are describing is in any way related to [or indicative of] his current mind-set.
What you’re doing, instead of listening to what Chris Bosh actually says and does is attempting to place your own expectations/perceptions/motivations/etc. on the words and actions of Chris Bosh … who, as far as I know, is in fact someone you have never claimed to be, yourself.
Your an Idiot x 6
bosh is considered a jumpshooting big man in the states, but they like him alot. the usa dream team shit boosted his image tremendously in the states.
we have to see how andrea, bosh, marion, delfino and calderon will do. thats a dynamic team that needs to outscore you to win, i think we can do it though. if it goes well, bosh stays– if it goes bad, bosh goes and we get nothing for him.
but we will have a ton of cash if you look at the payroll. hopefully pick up two guys and some role players with that money. we lose credibility, but that doesn’t matter, if we got the money they will come, its like the movie ‘field of dreams’ starring kevin costner only with money instead of building a baseball field from scratch.
pti is no different than around the horn. they even talk about the same stuff everyday of the week “horn me!!!” fucking snitches. fuck those shows. i would rather watch skip on first take arguing everything psychological about everyone and everything. lil wayne vs. skip was a fucking joke. spike lee vs. skip was embarrasing, he flat out destroy no decoy…
Khandor, did you really mean to refer to Bosh as a Center?
And, c’mon with all of the “IMO”s – comes off a bit blowhardish.
Don’t bother
Yes, Elliot, I meant to say Center …. because the simple fact is that, when Chris Bosh has played his best basketball, to this point in his career, and the teams he has been on have played their very best basketball, as a group, CB4 has been used almost exclusively at THE Center position, rather than Power Forward.
Love the site but way too much khandor and Cosa.
Too bad turn this site into a circus.
The conversations should be about the draft and free agency no this junk from these two…
Sad
I think the people in charge should rethink about allowing these two to post….
I am sure if you took a pool to ban these two the results would be overwelming.
Khandor has all ready be banned from Real GM. I am guessing they have no regrets and made there frequent vistors happy something I wish could be done here….
Less Khandor Less Costa more deleting posts and more looking forward then backwards is what this iste needs
sorry should have proof read…But you get my point
1. As “shats” has already written on this site … others should not make the mistake of confusing what it is that I do and write here, or what someone like “Raps Fan” does and writes on this site, with the content of some comments left in these threads by certain others who do not warrant being named by me.
Whatever might qualify as “junk” posted here … like this message from COLANGELOS MASTER PLAN, for example … has not been submitted by yours truly.
Khandor you act is painful…..
If you were not so I am the shit, and I know everthing and you guys don’t know basketball, Joey Graham should start at the 3, Moon should start at the 2, Andrea is crap, Bosh is utilized wrong, I am Khandor, IMO, IMO, IMO, look at me I am khandor fuck when does it end….
Tell your nurse to pull the plug all ready!!!
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Jim Boylen, former NBA assistant and current college coach, explains to Ross Siler of the Salt Lake Tribune how he’d run Magic practice today: “What I’ve done with my team before is shown them the open shots we missed and say, ‘Guys we did something to get that shot, we just didn’t make it.’ As much as it’s a negative to lose, they’re going to say, ‘Holy smokes, look at that open shot. Look at that, look at that, look at that. Guys, we’re good enough to play with them and beat them, we just didn’t make shots.’”
Wow easy there Jim, don’t go all Smitch on us.
IMO, there a lot of different people in Raptorville with a lot to say about the team that, unfortunately, do not have a sophisticated understanding of How The NBA Game Works, despite thinking that they do
I completely and utterly agree… now if you could only recognize this we would all be better for it
Just for fun,I checked out 38 various mock drafts…from across North America this is who they thought the Raptors were going to draft.
My findings…
DeRozan 18
Evans 10
Jennings 2
Hill 2
Harden 2
Henderson 2
Ellington 1
Flynn 1
Clark 1
Interesting enough…
According to the mocks
The Knicks were going to be taking DeRozan ,Curry or Jonny Flynn.
The mocks that I’ve seen usually show the raps getting evans/derozan unless hill doesn’t go in the top 8. This usually means that both of evans and derozan are gone and the raps pick is wide open.
It would be nice to have Derozan, simply because the situation would be pretty ideal for him here. He’d get consistent minutes and would be developped well, considering we have a coach like Triano. He’d also be given the long leash that Tim Floyd didn’t allow him to have this past year. Having said that, noone should expect us to get any better from Derozan or anyone else from this draft alone. We need much more than a few rookies.
BTW … Bargnani isn’t “crap”, at all … he just isn’t substantially better than the players on this list:
Other Good Young NBA Centers In The Game Today
Biedrins, Andre [Golden State Warriors]
Bogut, Andrew [Milwaukee Bucks]
Bosh, Chris [Toronto Raptors]
Bynum, Andrew [LA Lakers]
Chandler, Tyson [New Orleans Hornets]
Gasol, Marc [Memphis Grizzlies]
Haywood, Brendan [Washington Wizards]
Hibbert, Roy [Indiana Pacers]
Horford, Al [Atlanta Hawks]
Howard, Dwight [Orlando Magic]
Lee, David [New York Knicks]
Lopez, Brook [New Jersey Nets]
Nene [Denver Nuggets]
Noah, Joakim [Chicago Bulls]
Oden, Greg [Portland Trail Blazers]
Okafor, Emeka [Charlotte Bobcats]
Perkins, Kendrick [Boston Celtics]
when considering all three main phases of the game and, especially, the two most important ones for a dominant Center in the NBA, i.e. High Calibre Rebounding & Defense.
I would tend to agree with that. Bargnani has a great, and still developping offensive game, makes correct passes, and is also a solid 1 on 1 defender, but the help defense and rebounding is terrible with him. The only way you can offset a guy like that is surrounding him with tough rebounders at the other positions, which we don’t have at the moment. And even though I don’t really believe he’s going to get much better than he is now, I would like to keep him just one more year to see if he can improve in those areas (I mean, just with one summer he got loads better last year), since he’s the kind of match-up nightmare player that’s hard to find.
The truth is they (AB7 & CB4) are best suited to play 4’s. Don’t get me wrong if you want to play small ball or up-tempo then maybe they can play some 5.
Andrea is still a work in progress, From the list above many NBA GMS would rank Andrea much higher then you would, offence still counts, Andrea is a quality indivual defender and his weaknesses are rebounding and team D. They can and will get better.
Bosh and Anrea may not be a great fit together, both skinny and soft and both suited to play the 4. Yes Khandor the 4….
Bosh playing an entire year at the 5 could not happen unless he hangs out with Bonds trainer for the summer with some daytrips planned to balco-land…
If the Raps played Nellie ball and had Bosh at the 5 and ran and ran all day sure it could work ofencively and I would love to see it from time to time as we all ready have, Bosh can use his quickness offensively and do some sood things….However he would take a pounding on the block and would be in foul trouble way too often….
I like Bosh, I like Andrea but the problem on this team is neither.
Poor wing play on both sides of the ball, awful defence at the PG postion and depth are the issues.
Can Andrea and Bosh be a great big man tandem and win a title????
No one knows that anwser, if we get those issues fixed then and only then will we see.
For example if we draft player X (Derozan/Evans)
What if he turns out to be a real good player, Jose guards his man a little better, the bench improves and Marion is back and or is replaced by a quality 3.
Then we would see if Andrea and Bosh are able to take this team to the next level or maybe it will be necessary to trade one for a bigger tougher mean mo-fo in the middle….
Khandor for banishment………………
Hmmm, I really like the idea of a poll to decide if Khandor and Cosa should be banned lol, the site is excellent but painful to read when these two start posting over and over and over and over and over and over… you get my point
Walk On By …
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There are only a specific few individuals who leave comments here which run counter to what Raps Fan has outlined as being “acceptable” to the Raptors Republic because they do not concern the Raptors, basketball, in general, are peppered with profanity and/or qualify as a personal attack on someone else. If you read this thread, it is relatively easy to determine who these people are.
Perhaps what these few individuals need to do … when another comment that is ABOUT the Raptors and/or basketball, in general, upsets them … is exercise their choice [Right?] to simply Walk On By, for the benefit of all concerned.
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Khan, I was not aware of your RealGM banishment.
wasn’t it under a different name?
James [Realizar],
That’s interesting … as neither was I.
From my perspective, it can truly be amazing what one “learns” from certain highly “knowledgeable” people, with loud voices on-line, who specialize in “talk” like this.
This is a prime example of why others should not comment on what it is that they don’t happen to know themselves.
When certain others stick to talking about basketball and/or the Raptors what they have to say isn’t problematic.
It’s when they resort to nonsense like this that I have little patience for simpletons.
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Where have I been?
This site got weird.
When 31 out of 101 posts are crap, shit, junk, rapeat garbage, same crap cut and pasted and said over and over again from Khandor and Cosa its worse then weird its sad pathetic and painful to read.
Bosh hate and Andrea slamming when we have the worst guard play in the L and Jose could not guard a WNBA point guard.
IF you not going to ban can you not just limit there posts to 1 day…
I can skip there post and not read but them however a lot of the other psosts are in response to the gibrish typed but those rock eaters….
Just say no to Khandor posting…
Can I get a few responses to these questions???
Should Raptor republic ban Khandor/Cosa?
If they did would this site be much more enjoyable for you?
If you were given a vote to ban one or either would you ban them?
look, banning posters because of their style isn’t gonna happen, unless they totally veer off topic (like, uh, the whole discussion of whether people should be banned…) repeatedly and/or are abusive to others. while khan’s style is grating, for the most part, he sticks to actual bball-related topics, and is not abusive. yes, he is most of what others think him to be, but that alone doesn’t constitute a banning.
no
irrelevent
no
censorship is still censorship. if you dislike someone’s opinion, then debate it. being unable or unwilling to do so, and relying on others to control what you’re ‘forced’ to read, is weak.
It is what it is…
Ban,,,Khandor and Cosa NO but somehow limit the bullshit.
Yes ,if the BS was limited it would make it more enjoyable
No,I would not ban them,but I would like to see some form of Big Brother watching !!!
Now this is “IMO” AND IF YOU DONT LIKE IT,YOU CAN WALK ON BY !!!!
I don’t think they should be banned.
Just brow-beaten.
Honestly, I think it’s worthwhile to have differing opinions, even if some comments seem like strained attempts to reach genius by being different (i.e. Bosh could play at C in international play because he had the likes of Boozer and Lebron at PF and SF – trying to translate that to the NBA would be dubious at the very best and most likely laughable).
Let’s just agree to enjoy.
well, for starters, bosh has played, and had success, as a 5. there are a couple points that those advocating this for him tend to leave out: if bosh really truly wanted to play the 5, especially in the current lineup, then he’d be playing the 5. at this point, the raps organization likely doesn’t take a piss without consulting him first…so if he felt the 5 was his best position, and that he would have the greatest level of success duplicating his olympic team role with the raps (rebounder/defender/garbage man), then i would hope that that would be something both he & the team would pursue. since, y’know, he’s a great leader & all, and leaders put the team first, sacrificing personal glory for the good of the team, and all that BS.
secondly, the concern with him playing deeper in the post & defending against larger bodies was the damaging impact it would have on his (slightly-framed) body. i know the comparisons to russell have been put out there, but to me, they begin & end with the fact that they have similar physiques & are both lefties. russell simply played in a totally different era – from a sheer physicality standpoint, players today are quicker, stronger & bigger. i wonder what kind of career he (russell) would have today? rodman-esque, perhaps (without the insanity, of course)?
we’ve seen that bosh has become somewhat prone to injury…some have argued that this is due to him defending 4’s, having to be more mobile & guarding the perimeter, and that injury concerns would lessen if he weren’t asked to defend on the perimeter. well, perhaps it’s a chicken/egg thing – could it not be that his current injury issues are due to his time spent playing (out of position?) at the 5 for considerable chunks of his first 3/4 seasons? just saying.
* Bosh’s knee & leg injuries have started to mount since his PT has been increased at the PF position. When Bosh was playing Center for the Raptors is when he was not getting injured. It’s a simplistic falsehood to say and believe that a relatively “smaller” player gets “injured” more in the post than he does in non-post situations.
* Young players … like Bosh, for example, who is just 24 years of age … frequently do no know what their Best position actually is … which is where Top Notch coaching and GMing come into play. Mr. Russell had the benefit of working with an outstanding coach at USF, with the US Olympic Team and, ultimately, with the Boston Celtics. A young player should never be blamed for not yet knowing what his Best position actually is, as an elite level basketball player.
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Cosa, enough.
Elliot Ness,
1. I agree with your take on the merit involved with having different opinions on a site like RR.
2. Bosh hung up 47 W’s with a legit PF as his main side-kick over the course of a full 82-game season, working under NBA Rules.
Unfortunately for Bosh, and the rest of the Raptors …
A. Garbajosa broke his leg,
AND, then,
B. Bryan Colangelo FELL DOWN ON THE JOB by failing to appreciate just how important Garbo was to Bosh, specifically … like Antonio Davis [PF] was to the previously decent-good Raptors teams … and the team, in general, CHOOSING NOT TO REPLACE HIS SKILL SET AND CHARACTER, ETC. in the line-up for the 2007-2008 and 2008-2009 seasons, while moving in the wrong direction with the team.
The person responsible for the mess of the last two seasons is not Chris Bosh. That person is Bryan Colangelo.
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… and, if this sounds like a broken record, it’s because the Raptors refuse to fix what is wrong with their team and, instead, keep repeating the same type of mistakes over and over and over again … seemingly, ad infinitum.
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how about providing bosh with some decent talent around him before writting him off.
parker is a 10ppg 42% shooting grunt, nothing more to be said
Calderon is the worst defender in the league hands down, gives up 30 a night, yet for some reason gets praised
Bargnani is improving but it doesn;t change that fact that he’s a non physical center that can’t rebound. sorry but 15 points doesn;t make up for 5 rebounds a game. maybe put a real center next to bosh and he won’t break down compensating like he does every year
PURE TRASH, bosh is the only player on this team, he’s better then nowitski. put bosh in dallas and lets see him get FT’s when he fades.Bosh can’t get any respect becaue he’s surrounded by trash. i dont blame him if he wants out
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re: Bargnani is improving but it doesn;t change that fact that he’s a non physical center that can’t rebound. sorry but 15 points doesn;t make up for 5 rebounds a game. maybe put a real center next to bosh and he won’t break down compensating like he does every year
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Or … just, maybe, try putting a REAL Power Forward like Jorge Garbajosa, for example, beside Chris Bosh [C] and, then, see how the Big Fella responds in THAT specific situation.
Bosh is a CENTER.
He prooved it early in his career with the Raptors.
He prooved it when Garbo was his main running mate.
He prooved it with the Gold Medal-winning US Redeem Team.
He’s prooved it both of the last 2 seasons, as well … when his Raptors’ teams have plummeted in the WIN column as he’s shifted more towards the PF spot and Andrea Bargnani has gradually seen his PT increased at the Center position.
He will proove it again … if he’s ever given the chance to run with another PF like Garbajosa as his side-kick, with a PG like Calderon at the PG spot alongside 2 talented, hard-working, unselfish Wing players … working under a sound NBA coach staff.
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hasn’t the myth of garbo begun to supercede his actual on-court accomplishments? a little like delfino, perhaps? granted, he was a glue-guy, ‘little things’ kinda player, doing things that don’t necessarily show up in the box score, but c’mon. he was a marginal NBAer at best, and the continued fawning over him is starting to smell. the notion that, all things considered, he’s a ‘better’ option for the raps at the 4 than bargs is something i’d dispute. was he a better defender? yup. anything else?
of course, that’s just my opinion, and as such, i’d never present it as fact…
And, you’re perfectly entitled to hold that opinion.
The littany of good-great NBA teams with a relatively “poor” player at the PF spot is considerable, and part of the very reason a team like the Raptors could have gotten away with playing Bosh at the Center position beside a player like Jorge Garbojosa or Kris Humphries or Rasho Nesterovic or Antonio Davis, etc.
A player like Anderson Varejao or David Lee … neither of whom are dominant in any sense of the word … is perfectly capable of excelling beside someone like Bosh for a solid team [i.e. a lot better than 13th place] in the EC.
proved. prove. proof.
In the end though MLSE will bring this Franchise down. All the stars and draft picks we had and we’re still the worst team in the L ? Something is very wrong here.
The Leafs were contenders and then Peddie becomes CEO in 2003 and now both teams are now struggling ever since then.
Colangelo should never have been hired. 3 years and we have the same talent we had before his arrival – Bosh and Calderon. What’s this clown doing? I can bet anything MLSE had a meeting with him and said, look, we know what you did for Phoenix financially. Forget the basketball side can you make us the most financially stable team? He said sure.
Sam Presti, Kevin Pritchard, maybe Donnie Walsh all would have been better options.
For the benefit of others …
Know that there are certain individuals here who are posting under multiple usernames and chirping into specific threads on multiple occasions as though they are different people.
The only name under which I post is khandor.
Unfortunately, the fact is … the same cannot be said for certain other loud voices in this thread who choose to post comments on RR under multiple usernames.
and you would know this how?
At this point, that’s not for public consumption. *SMILE*
I’m Cosa Nostra that’s it. I promise. I swear on your father’s grave LOL
Arse,can you please take control of theses two idiots…call it censorship,call it what you want,but this site is out of control….grow a set!!!!
I was censored on this site last year for calling someone a fu… idiot,and guess what ? he still is, and is still posting on this site…teachers pets!!!double standards…and please dont assume its anybody in particular.
Maybe you were censored here for a specific reason. Ever think of that? Was what you had to say concerned with the Raptors? Or, with basketball, in general? Or, the NBA?
In this thread, for example, there are only certain people using profanity and attempting to attack another commentor.
How many comments someone has … is irrelevant. It’s the content of their comments that matters.
Raps Fan has clearly explained what’s acceptable and what’s not. If you’re having a difficult time understanding his instructions/limits then perhaps you should take up with him. His email address is available in the Front Office section of this site for a good reason.
“walk on by.com”
Welcome to Khandors new site !!!!
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yertu damkule you have to admit though this guy Khandor is a bit of a Weirdo and talks so much Crap at an alarming rate.
You think Bosh is a center too?
i don’t let it get to me…we’ve some some interesting back/forths over the last few years. to be honest, it’s simply not worth the inevitible aggravation…i tend to just gloss over (i.e. walk on by) what he posts.
as for bosh at the 5 – i’m not saying that he is or he isn’t, merely pointing out that he has had success there in the past. actually, i’d kinda like him in that role, as i see bargs as infinitely better as a 4 than as a 5…but as bosh goes/thinks, so goes the team. he doesn’t seem to want to be the 5, so he’s not. now, according to some, it’s up to management to ‘convince’ him what his best position is. sure. ’cause that’s how it works. especially when the same management team is doing what it can to re-sign him in ~12 months…
What Chris Bosh wants to do is win.
What Chris Bosh has never said is that he has “a problem” with playing [or is unwilling to play] the Center position for a team.
Chris Bosh is someone who will play the position he is asked to play by his coaching staff and his GM.
sorry, i missed where i suggested bosh has ‘a problem’ playing the 5. if you’re going to imply that someone says something (i.e. by using quotes), then try to ensure that the person actually said/wrote what you’re attributing them with saying/writing.
‘he doesn’t seem to want to be the 5…’
now, if this is just another random use of quotations, fine, please excuse my offense. maybe try to reign in the use of ‘quotes,’ as ‘it’ can be ’somewhat’ offputting…
‘Chris Bosh is someone who will play the position he is asked to play by his coaching staff and his GM.’
and you know this how, exactly? not saying it isn’t true, just wondering how you can be so confident in making such a statement, based on nothing, unless you know him personally or are involved with the team’s day-to-day operations.
1. What does this quotation mean to you, if it doesn’t mean that you think he has a problem with playing the Center position?
‘he doesn’t seem to want to be the 5…’ – by yertu
I am always open to being told by you how exactly you think about something connected with the Raptors and basketball, in general. Whether I agree with it, or not is irrelevant.
2. I wrote what I wrote about Chris Bosh’s willingness to play the Center position for a team based on what he said, himself, in an interview I saw him give, either on-line or on tv. Those are words [paraphrasing] which I’ve heard CB4 say while looking at him speak on my TV screen/monitor.
by insinuating that i think bosh has ‘a problem’ with playing the 5, you’re making it seem as though i think bosh wouldn’t be willing to do it, or that he has an issue/problem with the notion of doing it. i’m merely making assumptions, based on his stature on the team & the fact he spends a majority of his on-court time at the 4. if he truly wished to play the 5, then i think he would…it’s not like doing so would alter the team dynamic excessively (basically, switching places with bargs). the fact he doesn’t tells me hasn’t suggested it. if i’m wrong, then i’m wrong, no biggie.
for someone who has, in the past, taken great lengths to point out that others should not assume to know what he’s thinking, you sure seem to make similar assumptions about others.
i haven’t seen that interview, but would love to…if you remember where/when you saw it, that’d be great, maybe i can find it online.
1. IMO, it’s an error in judgment to believe that Chris Bosh is someone who would say someone like this:
“I want to play Center for this team. Therefore, that’s the position I am going to play, since I’m the franchise player here.”
In this instance, it’s irrelevant what position you substitute for “Center” … the point is, IMO, CB4 is not someone who thinks that he has the right to make decisions like that which he happens to believe are the responsibilities of the coach and the GM.
2. This is one of the places where we happen to disagree.
i.e. What exactly ‘Switching Places’ with Bargs actually means for the Raptors, and just how much a move like this would change the entire culture of this team/organization, at this time.
If Bosh goes to the Center position with a legit #4/PF beside him, like Garbo was, for example, AND Bargnani goes to the bench … as a sub who only plays as a replacement for Bosh, at the Center position, and gets paid accordingly … AND the team then finds a competent back-up for Calderon [or uses Parker in this capacity], PLUS finds a useful pair of bookend Wing players AND assembles a sound NBA coaching staff, then the Raptors have a solid chance of becoming a perennial Top 4 team in the Eastern Conference, IMO, under the direction of Bryan Colangelo.
Admittedly, that’s a lot of AND’s and PLUSES there … but, afterall, that is precisely what a NBA GM gets paid a lot of money to do successfully, on a consistent basis.
Unfortunately, I don’t happen to have the link myself, otherwise, as you know full well, I would be more than willing to share it with you and others.
[PS. I can close my eyes and picture Chris Bosh on the left side of the screen being asked questions by an interviewer on the right side of the screen, while sitting on a set of some sort ... but cannot remember who the actually interviewer was.]
Whenever i seen Bosh asked a question about what position he prefers he’s given basically the same response.
i.e. It is physically draining to bang with the big boys all game long but all he cares about is winning and he plays the position which his coach asks to him to play.
It may be aggravating for you … because you are someone who is interested in “winning” a “debate” vs someone like me … or, at least, so you might happen to think.
In my experience, however, those whose interest isn’t tied to “winning” a supposed on-line debate vs someone like me fit properly into the category of individuals like Flux, and Dave, and Raps Fan, and Arsenalist, and phdsteve, etc., each of whom are individual I have no problems with … whether I happen to agree or disagree with their unique perspective.
… for those individuals, it’s about sharing ideas and information [and in some cases actual expertise] about the Raptors and inter-acting on-line with others who have a similar interest as their own whether they agree with one another or not.
IMO, there’s a fundamental difference between sharing with someone else and trying to win vs that person.
you’re the best, man. i really don’t care about ‘winning,’ since it’s pretty much an impossibility anyway (i.e. who decides who has ‘won?’)?
i merely find your writing style & attitude to be aggravating. that’s just what i think. you, of all people, shouldn’t care.
damnit…i was doing so well ignoring you.
You’re correct, I, of all people, do not care what you, personally, happen to find aggravating … unless, of course, it happens to be connected with the Toronto Raptors in some way, as I do have an interest in this team.
i guess it’s easier to just tell others to ‘walk on by’ than it is to follow that same advice…
When the comment which you make to someone else includes a reference to me, is it mandatory IYO that I just “Walk On By” that?
ok, this is getting to be just silly. my comment was my comment, and was just an explanation of how i feel about your writings. if you feel the need to go on & on, so be it. you’re only giving those who disagree with you or find your writing style to be aggravating more ammunition.
whatever…i get the impression that you’re less interested in having actual basketball discussions than you are in making a name for yourself.
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If I said that I was typing this to you from my laptop in the cozy confines of the PlayBoy Mansion West, following Game Two, prior to heading over to Disneyland for Game Three, that would somehow make a difference to you?
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The fact is that there are a lot of knowledgeable Raps fans that initially look at this site and see the breadth of its analysis and view it as one of the better Raptors blog. But, after listening to the childish, immature, egotistical and insulting comments from some posters – they choose to go other sites for their Raptors news and analysis. That, in my opinion, is a loss to Raptors Republic. Its also why the operators of this site should seriously consider banning those who tend to step off side – otherwise they risk alienating the broad based support that they have developed from Raptors fans who want to engage in meaningful and respectful dialogue with other knowledgeable Raptors fans.
Would you do this trade:
Considering the Knicks are preparing for 2010 and wanting to attract Lebron to the big apple, therefore not really wanting to commit to David Lee’s extension, however getting Bosh would help them attract Lebron:
Toronto trades : Chris Bosh (sign and trade) and Jason Kapono
For
New York: David Lee (sign and trade) and Al Harrington (sign and trade)
No, I would not make that trade for Chris Bosh … but, I would MOST DEFINTELY make a similar trade for Andrea Bargnani, to allow Bosh the chance to play alongside a player like David Lee [PF] with Calderon [PG] running the show.
and, the thing is …
If Andrea Bargnani was as good as many Raptors fans seem to think he might be then it’s the New York Knicks who SHOULD be jumping at the opportunity to add a “young stud” like Il Mago who was the No. 1 [Overall] Selection in the 2006 NBA Draft [and still on a relatively cheap contract], in exchange for a relatively dead-weight contract like Harrington’s and a “non-scoring” Big like Mr. Lee [30th Pick in the 2005 NBA Draft].
On the other hand, if the reality is that the NYK have little interest in that deal for Bargnani then, maybe, it’s because the rest of the NBA doesn’t quite believe that Bargnani is as good as many Raptors fans.
isn’t that the point that those on here have been making for some time now? that it’s not necessarily due to bargs’ play that he be retained, but simply that moving him wouldn’t net much of anything in return?
of course, as rap fans, dealing bargs & kapono for lee & harrington (while retaining bosh) is good for us, and a pretty big friggin’ no-brainer. but while we’re at it, why not see if they’ll thrown in chandler, galinari & their pick…we’ll spice up the pot by tossing banks & hump into the mix too. that’s a sweeeet deal, no? entirely realistic too.
If Bargnani isn’t capable of pulling in what’s needed to help the Raptors improve dramatically beside Bosh and Calderon … then, IMO, this indicates just how big of a mistake Colangelo made in drafting him initially and then in holding onto him.
Teams SHOULD not hold onto former No. 1 [overall] Draft Picks who are under-achieving Big Men, as the longer they remain with their original team without fulfilling their hoped for promise of performance the less and less actual value they retain as the years go by.
No one in the NBA drafts a No. 1 overall selection to be a long term back-up at any position. Players who fit best in that position are considered long term busts … unless they can be flipped for other more worthwhile assets [e.g. what Joe D did with Darko].
Which is why the Raptors should be thinking of trading both Bargnani and Marion … to get the type of younger players that can fit with Bosh and Calderon, i.e. athletic, aggressive, dynamic, unselfish players, with good size and length, who can rebound, defend and score the ball.
I think you pretty much summed up yertu my response to khandor. Bargnani is not going to yield much value in a trade that is given, as well considering that the reason I brought trading Bosh as an option in the first place was not because people believe the team can yield a better value in return, rather because nobody wants to have a situation like what happened with T-mac where you just take a chance based on a player “word” and you let him walk for nothing in return, or worse a sulking player like Vince during a losing season and watch his value plummet. When Chris Bosh signed his first extension as a Raptor, he done so because he believed that Colangelo who was then viewed by many as “superstar GM” would turn this franchise around and make it “Pheonix of the North”. Now after 3 seasons, Bosh may had enough after seeing the results which could be branded as “Memphis of the North”.
With regards to Colangelo, I think at this moment he is a dufus. He can’t trade Bargs now because that would be an admission that he made a mistake by drafting him in the first place. He can’t trade Bosh because that too would also be an admission that he wasn’t able to create a winning team and thus keep his star player happy.
I think Colangelo will hang on to Chris Bosh and Bargnani as long as possible, even risking letting Chris Bosh walk away for nothing.
lee’s good, not great (& never will be); overrated defender, is a v.good rebounder, and a better offensive player than he’s given credit for (but several notches below bosh). good energy guy. not interested in harrington, though to make the deal work $-wise, he’d probably have to be included. wouldn’t they’d have to throw in their pick as well?
1. What others have “to say” about someone is, often times, nowhere close to being factually accurate.
2. It’s the simpleton who hears “talk” like that and chooses to believe what s/he wants to believe.
3. The best commentors on the Raptors Republic, as well as the owners/operators of the site, are far from being simpletons. Unfortunately, the same may not be able to be said about certain others … with a separate agenda of their own design … who frequently get their knickers in a knot at what someone else has to say about the Raptors with which they, personally, might disagree.
There’s are good reasons why Arsenalist, Raps Fan & Co. have INVITED me to be a participant on the Raptors Republic … *SMILE*.
Those who might do not appreciate those reasons … well, by now, YOU should know what your choice [Right?] entails.
i.e. Walk On By.
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1. I am NOT a salesman.
2. If you have a problem of some sort with homosexuals that is your concern and something which has no place on a public forum of this type, IMO.
Unfortunately, your comments here are far too frequently NOT about basketball or the Raptors.
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‘no offense.’
awesome.
And, all that I said concerning you … and what you happened to say about me … was just that. No harm; no foul … Walk On By.