The “don’t shed a tear” edition
Banks – call the toe truck.
Bargnani – meh, no reason to play since you have 4-5 months off. Why stress yourself?
Bosh – started off hot, then went as cold as Joan Rivers’ vajayjay. Then the light went off and he put his middle finger up for all his misguided haters to see. He finishes the season averaging 20/10, in the company of only two other players in the league, yet the idiots in the peanut gallery want to dump his ass for whatever we can get and make out that he doesn’t play with heart. Idiots. 21pts and 19boards against a team that was playing for something. Just smile, Chris…big up yaself.
Calderon – kind of late, but it has been terrific to see Jose and Shawn get into a rhythm. Beyond that, Jose was, once again, looking for people besides Chris and was making sure the ball had some movement. Nice to see. Let’s hope it carries over.
Douby – nowhere to be seen
Graham – not sure he will be back. Almost felt like he took the last few weeks off for the most part, which is disappointing. His midseason games were enough for people to sit up and take notice and actually consider using some of our cap space on. Have to wonder if some of that has already gone Quincy’s way.
Humphries – 
Kapono – meh. Personally, I get more excited watching Colangelo pick out shirts. Against the Bulls tonight, 9pts 3 boards. Yay. Well worth that paycheque, eh Mr. Colangelo sir?
Marion – just like Bosh has the coaches in his ear tonight about getting to 18boards to secure the 20/10 average, I’m sure Shawn’s peeps have been getting him to step up the last few weeks just so they can add something to his mixtape. He’s going to have a bigger drop in his disposable income than Dinosty had when he proposed to his girl. Who is hot by the way.
Mensah-Bonsu – if they had installed a 6 foot wide conveyor belt that ran from the top of the key to the bucket, I’m sure Pops would have missed it and had the ball slip off. Him missing chippies tonight brough back horrible HO memories. I can appreciate the brace, but come on. He did absolutely nothing in 5 minutes except waste possessions.
O’Bryant – watching him play makes me think it’s like watching Realizar enter Philthy’s on a RFF night. Unassuming guy, nobody really knows him, you can tell he scores with the ladies…then BAM…tears the place up. 9 pts 7 boards, but again, way too many easy fouls. Still, I’d be hard pressed to understand the team giving Pops an offer and not Patrick. No doubt who has played better and harder the last few weeks. Well, except maybe at inbounding the ball.
Parker – had to think this game was bittersweet for him. Could have been his last one as an NBA starter, if nothing else. Showed he still can bust out the effort, especially after turning the ball over. Achem.
Ukic – good game for a third string PG, which is what he is. Played a calm half court set, moved the ball with some pop, borrowed some of Jose’s hand signals. All good.
Voskuhl – nice jumper from the outside. Last one as an NBA player?
Driving The Bus: Chris Bosh
Under The Bus: Joey Graham
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stop kissing bosh’s ass
like shooting fish in a barrel.
Power still on in the trailer?
Why shouldn’t he be kissing Bosh’s ass. How complicated is it to understand that Bosh averaged 20 and 10 which just shows how elite he is as a player. Him and Dwight, that’s it. And Bosh is the only player in top ten for both scoring and rebounding.
Some people are idiots. Complete morons. Be gentle with them, though. It’s what makes Raptor “fans” unique. Hate the good players, but support the ones that shine for 5-6 games a year and wear headbands.
Honestly. Finally somebody else actually sees how valuable Bosh is, instead of 90% of the haters out there saying to trade him because he’s not a kobe/lebron/wade calibre. We wouldn’t get anything even remotely close to equal value for him.
Isn’t calling someone an idiot and a moron just because they hold a different opinion than you kind of like what high school kids do though?
I don’t want to get into a Bosh debate here. I think he’s good but limited, some think he’s a superstar, that’s why God invented opinions.
But Roko, I think it’s hasty to give up on him at this stage. He need to improve his shooting, but he can get to the rim and he has some stones and he was a rookie.
obviously you haven’t read most of the comments on this blog this year. That was mild.
Maybe, but instead of retorts like “get a life and a clue”, why not respond intelligently. I just makes you look like an angry, out-of-control, immature person whereas I’m sure you are pretty intelligent.
Just something to consider.
“Isn’t calling someone an idiot and a moron just because they hold a different opinion than you kind of like what high school kids do though?”
you’re really underestimating our young kids! ;-)
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3531
context means something.
The fact isn’t if Bosh is good or not (he is), the fact is just that he (probably) won’t stay in Toronto after 2010.
For the rest, are we going to bear the insults of this guy for a long time yet? Is that the debate ethic of this site? Insulting somebody for the only reason of having a different opinion?
Clean up the house, season’s over, get ready for the next one. And keep personal problems and deficiencies outside your writings and blogs.
jagums do you know anything about basketball? 20 pts and 19 rebs is huge!….dummy.
Against a team with no centre and Powerforward? LOL
Well maybe one day he can out these numbers up against an elite team, you know, when the games mean something.
But now the people who hated the guy a month ago are now kissing his ass, certain writers on here. Oh well. I think he is a 3rd option on a great team.
so if he is so bad against good teams, what explains his season average, again, only one of 3 guys to attain it. Other players play those same teams, both good and bad, right?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
the games were over against the good teams early and he padded his stats in meaningless minutes against scrubs
…and just to further drive the point home take a look at his game log
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3707/gamelog;_ylt=AsEHIjgYZ311B_lA3Jb.ICXMPKB4
How many games against .500 or better teams has Bosh dominated and we ended up winning??
I can only count that Orlando game and the Chicago(if you want to consider a 41-41 team a challenge) games.
And in how many games have the Raptors got their asses handed to them and Bosh completely disappeared?
Go ahead, count them youself…
A cynic might suggest that Bosh was only concerned about padding his rebounding stats in the most meaningless game of the season to get to 20 and 10 on the season – individual accoldades which mean nothing in a season when as team leader his team ends up with 49 losses. Perhaps if he was as driven as tonight earlier in the season this team might now be in the playoffs!!
He averaged 20 and 10 for the whole YEAR, it’s not like he suddenly played great for one game. Sure, there’s been times when you can question his (lack of) willingness to drive and criticize his on-court decisions and performances for some games, but I don’t think you can say he only played hard tonight.
exactly…he’s been busting ass for at least the last few weeks.
Fantastic post. Agree 100%. Until you put those numbers in the PLAYOFFS when stars are made and legends are born then you are not a Franchise player
he said 3 times last night that it was the coaches that were egging him on. So, using your theory, we/he needs better more motivated coaches.
Give BC a call and suggest it.
I just wanted to say that Raptors Republic has been great the whole season — the roll call and game recaps have been top-notch. Amazing work by everybody involved, and I’ve really appreciated it. Best NBA fan site on the web, in my opinion. Thanks, guys.
agreed. i’m new to the site, but enjoying it profusely. some funny shit around these parts. cheers.
i agree this site is hype…im at school in Australia and this is the main site to get my raptors fix..nobody here gives a fuck about the NBA…they dont really know about lebron or kobe and especially about the Raps..thanks
They don’t even <3 Jawai?? :’(
LOL…
in context, that is the rap of the day.
You’re absolutely right about Bosh…
Should BC re-sign Colangelo? I wouldn’t mind giving this group a mulligan…
WOW !!!!! … The Raptors finally jelled and peaked at the same time … in Chicago … go figure …!!!!
i just hope that bosh will be back. bosh respects us, the fans. he does not diss the team. although he needs to work more to make his post game consistent, and probably get some 3 point shooting tips from bargs, kapono, jose. i would love to imagine our frontcourt who can take it inside and outside with deadly 3 pointers!
our main big need is a 2. who is the best ones available on the draft? i’m intrigued by this curry kid. i hope he does enter the draft so we could get him. then may be get his dad as an assistant who happens to be an ex-rap.
i’m not sure if we could bring back the trio of marion, parker, joey. one of them might go, and i think we could only sign 2 of them for cap space. we should keep marion. i think parker and joey would like to stay as well. either of them would be leaving i think. i know parker loves TO but i think some of the current contending teams would love to have him, good bball IQ, could play the point, has a kobe/mj-like fadeaway, veteran. joey too, good defender, rebounder, finisher.
pat bryant is a pretty good backup, better than jawaii. he needs to improve his post defense. he has the size, length, and athleticism that could match the likes of bynum, oden, dwight, brook, chandler, noah, etc. he could be our backup cenre, since he played well in his starts when bargs is hurt. and he has a smooth low post jumper.
bring back pops at a reasonable price. he has to stay inexpensive. i like his hustle and rebounds but he needs to work more to improve his game. then we could trade hump.
douby and roko could share the backup point guard spot. since we should not overplay jose.
I threw up a little when they put up a graphic comparing Bosh with Howard and Paul.
Yea, only four guys averaged 20-10 this year (why doesn’t Al Jefferson count, by the way?).
But you can’t compare bosh to those two. This is a classic case of stats not telling the whole story.
Howard and Paul are special players. Bosh is really good, and I agree we shouldn’t give the dude away. But I also agree he simply isn’t in the class of Howard and Paul. You know why? Because Howard and Paul are both probably going to be either first or second team All-NBA Defensive Team. On top of offensive prowess, Paul and Howard are leaders who can carry a team on their backs.
Bosh showed glimpses of this in November, but just because he averaged good numbers this year doesn’t mean he’s the same calibre player as those two.
Hell, Bill Simmons made an apt comparison before the season; Shareef Bdur-Rahim. He averaged 20-10 essentially for a four season stretch. Even Zach Randolph averaged 20-10 a few years back.
Stats don’t mean more than watching how a player compiled those numbers. Bosh is one of those guys who strangely seems both over-rated and under rated at the same time. Over for his “elite” stats, but under for his ability to be an energy guy and second fiddle. In that capacity, which we’ve only seen in the Olympics, he’d be possibly the best side-kick in the league.
100% agree.
Stats make the world go ’round, unfortunately. Do you have one Bosh or 3 guys that make up his salary but not his production?
That is a great comment and IMO bosh in a nutshell
bosh plays with heart, but no muscles and no balls in the clutch when it matters…
If you still don’t know the difference between playing with nothing on the line and playing against the best when it matters, you deserve a losing team for the rest of your mediocrity loving life.
No one ever said he is a bad player…what everyone with brains understands is that he is not worthy of the same type of deal as Wade or LeBron because he flat out cannot and never will bring what they do to the table.
Fucking little dipshits have no memory…cretins like the OP just love the Groundhog Day scenario of watching meaningless games and relating to them because their own little lives are so fucking meaningless.
Playing well with nothing to lose but your reputation and a huge fucking contract is not the same as leading a team to the fucking championship, you fucking idiot…
Bosh has led this team to the bottom of the fucking league and giving him a Max deal at the expense of building a deep and talented team will guarantee that cunts lke you are writing about the LOSER Raptors for years to come.
Zach Randolph averages 20/10 too you fucktard.
Bosh isn’t worth max money. Nobody on this team is. Just like you weren’t worth your fathers sperm, yet here you are.
Once more CB4 showed what he can do. And what he can’t.
It’s now clear that he can be a good defending player and a good offensive one.
He can’t be both in the same game. More effort in D is equal to a lower % hits of his jumper/drives.
He need Bargs back and a scoring SG next year in order not to be the most used in offence.
I really don’t see Bosh up his “offensive leader” mantle to Bargnani or anyone else. THAT, I believe, is his weakness. I don’t think he puts winning first. I know others say he does, but I disagree. He wants to be MVP and if he is not the number one scorer on the Raptors, he will never be MVP.
Absolutely Bosh’s biggest problem! He does not put winning and the team before his desire to be MVP…and that’s a formula for mediocrity forever! He will never give up his desire to be the top scorer on the Raptors but might somewhere else, and that will be his downfall because that is not his greatest talent if he were honest with himself. He could be a real star if he played solid defense all the time, played smart offence and only took what the defense gave him, and learned to pass and speed things up a little. If he trusted others who could be better pure scorers the team could prosper with him but he is unwilling to play like that. If the Raptors ever get a great scoring swingman, then Bosh will have two teammates who are better pure natural scorers than he in the new guy and Bargnani, and that simply will not work with Bosh’s ego. If he had a brain he would learn to score 15 a night and get 15 boards a night while guys like Bargnani and the swing man take the scoring load ( i.e. Garnett) then and only then would I say he’s a star instead of a very good player, and then I would want him back but never at Max money because he just insn’t worth it, and it would leave us to a mediocre Leaf like team for the duration.
Altraps while I do not agree with you about Bosh and some other points, I respect your opinions and right to those and thank you for sharing them.
Cheers!
Those might be the most asinine comments I’ve ever read on this site. Of all NBA players, or even pro athletes, you are classifying Bosh as one of the selfish ones? That is absolutely ridiculous.
This is a guy that did nothing but defend and rebound in the Olympics. He is asked to be the offensive leader of this team because nobody else can score. Who’s Bosh going to defer to? Bargnani has had 1/2 semi-elite season in the league, much of it coming because opposing bigs are more focused on Bosh. Calderon? Please. You actually think there are better ‘pure scorers’ on this team and Bosh is the one holding them back? Get a fucking clue.
Bosh doesn’t play with Allen & Pierce, therefore he can’t focus on defense like Garnett (who averaged 8.5 rbs/game this year, btw).
Name me 1 title team (besides Houston) from the last 20 years that didn’t have at least 2 stars on it. Who in this league has ever done it by himself?
houston actually had otis thorpe, an all star in 92 in the 94 finals when they beat ewing’s knicks. then the next season they got clyde the glide and they swept the young shaq and penny-led magic. i think the team to lead a team to a championship by himself was george mikan.
basketball is a team sport so definitely one guy alone cant win it all. it took mj around 8 seasons to win. lebron got swept by the spurs in 07.
anyways, bosh has alot to improve before he goes up in the level of guys like kobe, lebron, wade, cp3, dwight. he has to build a consistent inside play and not just settle on a lazy jumper. plus he has to rebound the ball as he is the teams best rebounder. yeah he did average 20 and 10 but that does not put him alongside dwight and cp3. zach randolph even has better numbers also 20 and 10 but injuries and suspension lessened his games played.
and regarding kg, the guy is past his prime. so he now understands that he wont be able to put up monster stats that he had back in minny, and since he has a good team, he doesnt have to worry about scoring. he just concentrates more on the defense, rebounding and intimidating the other team.
well put.
Your opinion maybe..but not shared by as many as you think because absolutely Bosh is a selfish player who thinks he’s too far above the others to play solid team ball.He has the skills but not the desire , mindset or brains to play team basketball and not be the center of attention. The Raptors are as much to balme as him because this franchise felt the need to pad his ego and make him a star for the kiddies.
Also you’re right about Bargs only playing half a semi elite season, but I will once again say that he was almost ruined by shitty coaching, mentoring, selfish teamates, etc…
He is a 7 footer who never played American style basketball thrust into a different game where only one player is the star, with a third rate coach who dicked him around for two and a half years and a point guard who refused to pass to him, and a sg who refused to pass to him and a self proclaimed MVP who not only refused to pass to him but couldn’t pass if his life depended on it. He is also a 23 year old 7 footer and they have always taken longer to develop.
So again do not blame Bargnani alone for the fact he just recently showed how talented he is and can be.
Also in reference to pure scorers, there is no wiggle room at all for me to decalre that Bosh isn’t even close to what Bargs is and will be when he gets the quality touches Bosh gets instead of the look offs. bargs gets to 20 points way easier than Bosh ever did, and if you take Bargs points versus shots not including free throw opportunities Bargs produces more points per shot and his weighted average is better than Bosh’s .500.
Pizzaman,
One of the things which you don’t seem to get is that it really doesn’t matter one way or the other whether a specific opinion you hold happens to fit in with the either “the majority” or “the minority” camp. If anything, what matters is the exact people who happen to be in agreement with the view you hold, and if you happen to be Right, or Wrong … which can only truly be determined by the test of time.
Lots of people hold opinions … but, only a few people’s opinions actually turn out to be Right, consistently, over the course of time.
When you hold a basketball opinion that happens not to be shared by a recognizable basketball expert from somewhere else you might wish to disregard the clamoring voices you hear beside you that share your personal perspective and try instead to seek out further information on the matter from someone else who happens to be recognized as an expert in their field.
Strictly … Food For Thought.
Khandor I agree with you on seeking out further information from so called experts….But please then tell me why you fail to take your own perspective when you talk of Bargnani’s worth. Are you more expert than the experts who say he has immense talent and huge upside, or the other league GM’s that drool over the possibility of aquiring him? Or the experts that have said time and again that Bargnani is almost two years younger than Bosh, and bigger than Bosh so will take a little more time to develop but has the potential to be better than Bosh.
I could go on and then look for the quotes and clips if you want but we’ve all seen them so again please tell me how that is different other than just your opinion versus mine.
Isn’t it the PG’s job to get the ball in the hand of the best option?
Almost every writer here at RR, myself included, has made it pretty clear we hate seeing CB take jumpers, but once the ball gets to him in the majority of cases, he gets double teamed or has a big all over him while his teammates either wait for his shot or make no attempt to move and make themselves available for a pass.
Ball movement was deplorable on this team up until the past 2 weeks…and look what happened.
Buongiorno,
the question is: we pay him 20 milions a year or no?
Bosh has got 20\10 for the year. but which are his stats against the best teams?If I remember well, it’s something around 17-8…and with a FG % far away from 50.
stats looks good only on paper.
he is a talented big man…a rare thing indeed.
Also, he says always the right thing to the fans and the media.
but the question is: would you pay him an ocean of money?
-the sheer number of jumpshot and 3 pointers he taken this year, worries me abouth his health. I believe he is trying to extend his career past the lost of his athletic
skills.
-he still doesn’t play any consistent defense. that will change when he’ll gain 20 milions a year? I don’t think
-he is not a clutch player. but that’s a part of his game that lately has improved a bit, at least against mediocre opponents. he can be a winner.
to sum it up:. he’s peaked. we know what he can and what he can’t do.
paying that kind of money is a serious mortgage on the future of a team
to me the answer is trade him.
with him alone, all you can do is first round of playoff. We can assume that now.
He is not the kind of player to mortgage your future.
his value won’t get any better than that.
If we keep him without paying the max for the next year, he won’t play at the top of his skills.
I can see the emotions attached. but it’s time to move on.
Give him the money he wants it’s not a terrible decision, clearly. it’s just a mediocre one.
“Bosh has got 20\10 for the year. but which are his stats against the best teams?If I remember well, it’s something around 17-8…and with a FG % far away from 50.”
You don’t have to rely on memory. Industry works better.
Against the top 4 teams: 18.8 9.5 47.2%
Against the top 8 teams: 20.2 9.1 46.6%
Not too bad really.
I’d offer less than the max too, but if we were trying to attract a free agent with those numbers, what would he be demanding?
thanks. not too bad. but nothing great.
second fiddle.
aint it funny bosh and marion both played their best games of the season……tonight was about getting paid…..pretty sad if you ask me.
Throw Parker under the bus because of his inability to guard and score @ his postion
How does saying we should trade bosh immediately make someone a bosh hater. i agree with many that bosh is a good player that i would like to see on many teams including the raptors. But the fact remains, i would rather trade him now and get something in return, then wait twelve months and get nothing. the chances of Bosh staying past 2010 is next to nothing if next year even remotely resembles this year. its a simple fact were a 49 loss team we need to rebuild not wait and blindly believe Bosh will never leave.
I agree with your Bosh hater comment. Does thinking Bosh is a good/great player but that it might be in the best interests of the team to trade him really make you an idiot in the peanut gallery? Do people really think Bosh is so untouchable that trade possibilities should not even be explored?
With the exception of Cleveland and Miami (b/c a team with Bosh as the second banana to Wade or Lebron is not a team the Raps should want to play against for the next decade) BCo should be taking all GMs calls relating to Bosh.
So it all boils down to this …. do you want to see Bosh continue with the Raptors @ $20M per year .. or .. would you prefer to have him replaced with two strong athletes @ $10M per year …????
I know what the tribal honking fans want … they want to slobber over their own personal “all-star” hero, because they get an orgasmic thrill every time he throws it down the hole. The Raptors without Bosh??? .. Unimaginable ..!!!!
From Bill Simmons: “The runaway winner of the 2005 Shareef Abdur-Rahim Award, given annually to a tantalizing young star on a losing team who everyone assumes will keep getting better and better, when the reality is that he’s close to hitting his ceiling already, and his numbers look so good mainly because he was playing 35-40 minutes a game on a bad team. Remember I told you this when Bosh is making $15 million a year on a 22-win Toronto team five years from now, and he’s the subject of 370 trade rumors before the 2009 draft.”
I agree with it. He’s a good player but he won’t carry this (or any other) team without a similar talent beside him and someone to provide a bit of backbone for the team as a whole.
And the really big problem for the Raptors is they need to trade for more than talent. They’ve got chemistry/toughness problems and 9 wins at the end of a shitty season doesn’t change that. BC created the mess and now has a high degree of difficulty off-season. He needs to get equal or better talent back for every move he makes AND has to bring in some players who will change the nice-guy locker room into a team with a killer instinct. That’s fucking tough but it’s his roster, he can clean it up.
But none of us fans will ever know the deals on the table so we have no good way of evaluating what BC does this summer. I hope he makes everyone available for the right price but if other GM’s are looking to make him the next Chris Wallace, I hope he has the balls not to make deals.
And if it were me, I’d be looking to the Clippers to see if Davis for Calderone could be done (that deal makes sense if Dunleavy continues as coach) and to the Hornets to see if David West + something else of value (Julian Wright and a pick?) for Bosh is possible.
“would rather trade him now and get something in return, then wait twelve months and get nothing”
-that is exactly the dilemma. As someone put it yesterday (or the day before) an “I don’t know from Bosh” might as well be as good as “I’m not resigning”. I think most of us would like to keep Bosh (contract aside because he is getting a max deal…. regardless of whether he is “worth it or not”) But him walking and not getting anything in return is the worse thing that could happen to the Raps. When he was asked what he would do in 2010, had he said “I want to be a Raptor” instead of “I’m not thinking about that until 2010″ (paraphrase) we may be in a totally different boat. But he didn’t, so we are left with this problem…. and I don’t think most fans would even be saying trade Bosh if he had his extension right now.
“Some people are idiots. Complete morons. Be gentle with them, though. It’s what makes Raptor “fans” unique” – yep they love their good players so much they don’t understand that they may not be here forever. Still waiting for VC to return?
“So it all boils down to this …. do you want to see Bosh continue with the Raptors @ $20M per year .. or .. would you prefer to have him replaced with two strong athletes @ $10M per year …????”
- no it boils down to… does Bosh want to stay a Rap? That is the priority question…because if he doesn’t, and there is a fair chance he will go else where, that question is moot. After that is answered… then his contract size/length, value vs other players etc is the next question.
If the Raps decide they want to blow things up, trade Bosh and go in a different direction whether Bosh wants to stay or go is immaterial (as long as he doesn’t affect his trade value by telling the media he wants out).
Is the author of this article a “Bosh lover” and an “intelligence hater”, or is he just underage?
Does he ignore proper dialectic?
But at the end all we have to judge is the result, which is very disrespectful of readers and fans.
Would you go to a shop, or a church, or an office where the holder insults part of his clients? I don’t think so. And he probably would be removed from the task….
get a life and a clue.
You forgot to add ‘idiot’ at the end of your genius sentence, my lord of the thoughts…
Chris Bosh seemed to put winning ahead of any individual goals he might just fine when he was playing for the Red, White and Blue, under Coach K, Nate McMillan and Mike D’Antoni.
An individual like Coach K does not say the type of things he said about Chris Bosh at the NABC Awards Dinner unless he is a special player.
Although everyone is entitled to hold their own opinion, the host of reputed Raptors fans who think that:
* Chris Bosh is selfish
* Chris Bosh has already checked out of Toronto
* Chris Bosh is a wannabe MVP candidate
* Chris Bosh is undeserving of a Max Contract
* Chris Bosh is a Tier II player
* Chris Bosh has already maxed his ability threshold
* Chris Bosh will never be able to lead his team to a championship
* yadda, yadda, yadda
are simply WRONG, IMO.
There are different types of Maximum Contract players in the NBA … and Chris Bosh just happens to be one of them.
Andrea Bargnani, on the other hand, is NOT one of them.
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Bryan Colangelo made the wrong choice when he decided to select Andrea Bargnani with the 2006 No. 1 [overall] Draft Pick.
Jose Calderon is a better Main-frame PG than TJ Ford.
Bryan Colangelo made the correct choice when he decided to trade Ford and keep Calderon.
Bryan Colangelo made the wrong choice when he decided to trade Ford + Nesterovic + 2008 No. 17 [overall] Draft + Baston in exchange for Jermaine O’Neal + Nathan Jawai.
Bryan Colangelo made the wrong choice when he decided to:
* sign Will Solomon, as a back-up PG
* sign Hassan Adams, as a back OG/SF
* sign Roko Ukic, as a back-up PG
Bryan Colangelo made the wrong choice when he decided to retain Jason Kapono.
Bryan Colangelo made the wrong choice when he decided to fire Sam Mitchell on Dec 3, 2008.
Hopefully, Bryan Colangelo makes more correct choices this summer and less wrong ones.
You still know nothing about basketball because you are completely an ass kiss to those who play like you want even though it will not lead to anything.
* Chris Bosh is undeserving of a Max Contract
* Chris Bosh is a Tier II player
* Chris Bosh has already maxed his ability threshold
* Chris Bosh will never be able to lead his team to a championship
* yadda, yadda, yadda
All those are true IMO (bosh can’t lead a team by himself but wit another all-star caliber player).
I like bosh and would love to re-sign him but at contract just under the max not a max deal.
Tier One players are Duncan, Lebron, Wade, Kobe, and Paul. Do u really think bosh fits anywhere in that list.
I think Bosh hit his ceiling. Thats not a negative comment.
Thats just my opinion.
Absolutely correct babyface!
babyface,
IMO … Chris Bosh is a different type of max contract player than Duncan, Lebron, Wade, Kobe, and Paul.
I have already told you and others what type of max contract player I think Chirs Bosh is and who his skills compare with, in a poor man’s version sort of way.
Others do not see that similarity, however, so I will not bother to repeat here again. : )
IMO, though, Chris Bosh is a better basketball player and a better NBA Center than Dwight Howard, and if given the choice I would elect to go with a player like CB4 each and every time … given the versatility he brings to the table and the strength of his character.
He is not a braggart. He is mature beyond beyond his years. He is a stabilizing force. He is not mercurial. He is intelligent and cerebral. He is a Team Builder. He is a hard worker. He is unselfish. He is someone who perseveres through difficult times and attempts to control that which is within his area of responsibility. In short, he is the player who Sam Mitchell said he was and the young man who is growing up right before our eyes with the Toronto Raptors, in an environment which COULD have been ideal but has, unforunately, not turned out that way just yet for a person of his individual make-up.
Hopefully he gets the opportunity to further his career with the Toronto Raptors. If not, so be it; he will move on to bigger and better things.
IMO, the most effective way for the Raptors to go forward from here, if MLSE’s primary goal is really to build a championship team in Toronto … which I am still not convinced is really their goal afterall … is to contune to build around Chris Bosh and Jose Calderon.
I respect your opinion but I would rather have Howard than bosh anyday of the week.
And I never once insulted Bosh (I actually like him as a leader but I know his limitations).
I believe they should use the capspace to make an uneven trade (like the clippers-nuggets trade) and to look at the best possible player in the dradt rather than getting a guard to high in the draft.
Khandor said what????
IMO, though, Chris Bosh is a better basketball player and a better NBA Center than Dwight Howard, and if given the choice I would elect to go with a player like CB4 each and every time … given the versatility he brings to the table and the strength of his character.
no credability 1 khandor 0….
I like Bosh but thats just silly. Howard is unstopable and is the defence player of the year….
It’s a good thing for the Red, White and Blue that Mike Krzyzewski, Nate McMillan and Mike D’Antoni don’t happen to agree with you.
By all means, you are still entitled to your own opinion, however, about the matter.
Who knows, maybe “the majority” of Raptors fans actually agree with you, which should be, at least, of some comfort to you. : )
Funny thing about how the majority actually works though in the world of elite level hoops … when it’s the decided minority of ONE team only that goes home with the Gold Medal, or the NBA championship, etc.
Credibility?
ROTFLOLWKAS, : )
You are a condescending complete idiot of any basketball IQ yet continue to talk as if you and only you know anything about basketball on this site. First of all at no time did any of the coaches mentioned say they would take Bosh over Howard, and you make up what you want because in certain situations they decided to use Bosh over Howard due to his positioning, and game style against faster teams. No way any of those guys takes Bosh over Howard. You are a complete moron for saying Bosh is a better center than Howard who is defensive player of the year, and carries his tea. You also say Bosh is not a braggart (MVP?), intelligent ( 3 pointers?), knocked up forehead girl, unselfish???, team builder??? what happened to his team, cerebral…are you kidding me?
Not one smart GM would trade Howard for the both of Bosh and Jose who you say this team should build around because they are studs. Raps would be playoff bound with Howard swapped for both Bosh and Jose you numbskull.
babyface,
I respect your opinion, too … whether we agree or disagree.
As far as I can recall, you are not someone who has spent time insulting Chris Bosh.
The Nuggets could well afford to give away Marcus Camby because they still had a High End player like Carmelo Anthony and very useful pieces like Allen Iverson, Kenyon Martin, Nene, JR Smith, Chris Nderson and Linas Kleiza, plus went out and acquired more useful young pieces this season, in the form of Renaldo Balkman and Johan Petro.
In sharp contrast to that scenario, the Raptors are not in that same boat, right now.
Keep On Truck’n : )
Pizzaman,
There’s nothing wrong with you holding the opinion which you have regarding Chris Bosh and nothing wrong with you saying that you think my opinion is actually the incorrect one.
That is part of the reason you will never see me refer to you, or anyone else, as “an idiot” or “a moron” or “a douchebag”, or any other term like that.
What I will tell you and others, however, from time to time is that the opinion which you hold is the wrong one, or reflects an unsophisticated understanding of the NBA game, etc., according to what I see when I appraise that same situation.
Now … here’s the rub.
With the benefit of time … sometimes, only ONE of our different perspectives actually turns out to be RIGHT, in fact, while the other turns out to be WRONG.
[In addition, sometimes both perspectives are partly correct; and, sometimes, both perspectives are wholly incorrect, as well.]
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What’s the difference between MY opinions and the opinions of others who contribute here, as well?
I will leave that specific answer for the good visitors of the RR to decide for themselves … over the course of time. : )
What’s the difference between MY opinions and the opinions of other so-called experts in this field who are active on-line, as well?
I will leave that specific answer for others to decide for themselves … over the course of time. : )
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The proof of the pudding is in the eating. – Anonymous
Hey Plato shut the fuck up! I tried to be resonable yesterday and give your condescending ass a little breathing room because I was feeling nice, but you are a moron and you think you are right about everything because you are blowing Christine instead of forehead girl, but stop trying to tell me anything because while I am definitely wrong about many things even I who cannot stand Howard knows that Christine will never be in his league.
Pizzaman,
* I my words sound khandescending to your ears then, perhaps, it’s your ears that have the problem.
* At no time did the USA coaching say those exact words, as far as I know, about THAT you’re correct. What the USA coaching staff did, instead, is speak loudly and clearly with their actions. They played Chris Bosh over Dwight Howard. Period. They had Paul and Williams at the Point, with Kobe and Wade and Lebron and Anthony … and decided to go with a player like CB4 as their CENTER rather than a player like D12.
IMO, they didn’t make THAT specific choice because they happen to believe that Dwight is the better player.
* I’ve said that Dwight Howard is “a stud”; but, I have never described either Chris Bosh or Jose Caldeon as being in that category of NBA player.
* In part, the reason you might think that Chris Bosh is a “braggart”, is not “intelligent”, is not “unselfish”, is not a “team builder”, is not “cerebral”, etc., is similar to the reason you happen to believe that words like mine are khandescending when, in fact, they are far from that.
* It’s the people who throw insults at others … like “idiot”, or “moron”, or “numbskull”, etc. … or curse relentlessly, that end up in a poor light on a fine site like RR.