Comments on: Another Wacky Win in Washington http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/04/14/another-wacky-win-in-washington/ The Penultimate Toronto Raptors Fan Website Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:41:38 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: khandor http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/04/14/another-wacky-win-in-washington/#comment-25628 khandor Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:40:16 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=7191#comment-25628 James, If that's true from your perspective, then, that's the best reason of all NOT to trade CB4. When a trade is made in the NBA, in general, whichever team ends up with the BEST player, is going to win that specific transaction. i.e. This is part of the reason why you try to trade a player like Bargnani, at this point of his career, in a "sucker deal" involving a player like Rudy Gay ... rather than making any type of move for a player like Chris Bosh, in return for any type of package involving players like Monta Ellis, Andre Biedrins, Marco Belinelli, Cory Maggette, etc. If the name being discussed shifts to Anthony Randolph + other assets ... then, that's a whole different ball-game, depending on what the other assets actually are. James,

If that’s true from your perspective, then, that’s the best reason of all NOT to trade CB4.

When a trade is made in the NBA, in general, whichever team ends up with the BEST player, is going to win that specific transaction.

i.e. This is part of the reason why you try to trade a player like Bargnani, at this point of his career, in a “sucker deal” involving a player like Rudy Gay … rather than making any type of move for a player like Chris Bosh, in return for any type of package involving players like Monta Ellis, Andre Biedrins, Marco Belinelli, Cory Maggette, etc.

If the name being discussed shifts to Anthony Randolph + other assets … then, that’s a whole different ball-game, depending on what the other assets actually are.

]]> By: drizz http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/04/14/another-wacky-win-in-washington/#comment-25608 drizz Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:27:25 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=7191#comment-25608 Yeah feeds are gay. Come out to philthy's and drink beer with me. Yeah feeds are gay.
Come out to philthy’s and drink beer with me.

]]> By: Pizzaman http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/04/14/another-wacky-win-in-washington/#comment-25596 Pizzaman Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:51:07 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=7191#comment-25596 I agree but I would take that trade in a minute. Biedrins could play well alongside Bargnani, and Marion if we keep him. Belinelli is a huge improvement over Parker, Kapono, et al and we still have enough cash left over to strengthen either the SF, SG, or PG poitions depending on what's available and strengthen the bench as well. Giving Bosh 30% of our salary kills our chances pretty much until his contract runs out. I agree but I would take that trade in a minute. Biedrins could play well alongside Bargnani, and Marion if we keep him. Belinelli is a huge improvement over Parker, Kapono, et al and we still have enough cash left over to strengthen either the SF, SG, or PG poitions depending on what’s available and strengthen the bench as well. Giving Bosh 30% of our salary kills our chances pretty much until his contract runs out.

]]> By: James Ballswin (Realizar) http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/04/14/another-wacky-win-in-washington/#comment-25594 James Ballswin (Realizar) Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:45:29 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=7191#comment-25594 Biedrins+Crawford+Belineli for Bosh+Kapono is as good an offer we can expect. In any trade scenario involving Bosh, he's going to be the best player in the deal. Biedrins+Crawford+Belineli for Bosh+Kapono is as good an offer we can expect.

In any trade scenario involving Bosh, he’s going to be the best player in the deal.

]]> By: James Ballswin (Realizar) http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/04/14/another-wacky-win-in-washington/#comment-25590 James Ballswin (Realizar) Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:31:09 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=7191#comment-25590 Live feeds are fine to me. Connect you computer to your HD TV and you may be surprised to see how good the resolution is. Live feeds are fine to me.

Connect you computer to your HD TV and you may be surprised to see how good the resolution is.

]]> By: James Ballswin (Realizar) http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/04/14/another-wacky-win-in-washington/#comment-25588 James Ballswin (Realizar) Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:26:18 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=7191#comment-25588 My opinion of feeling good about with Pops, O'Bryant and Hump is based on the the premise that we keep/re-sign Bosh. I agree that adding a big man who can come off the bench and score consistently is necessary, but I don't think we'll be able to acquire one because we almost certainly won't have the cap room. And acquiring a starting SG is a bigger necessity than a scoring back-up big. It's possible that we sign a starting SG via free agency and draft a big who can eventually become the score we need. It's also possible that we trade our pick to acquire one who's already a proven scorer. If we re-resign Bosh, Marion, Parker, Graham and Pops (with Douby already inked), we may have enough money left under the cap to sign 1 more 2nd-tier quality free agent. The thought of starting the season with our current rotation of bigs in order to acquire a starting SG is a decent case scenario at best. It's acceptable. Most teams don't have scoring bigs coming off the bench. Scoring bigs are starters. We also have to factor in the reality that scoring bigs are hard to find and therefore cost more than scoring wings, which makes the possiblity of acquiring a scoring big less likely. All things considered, we have too many holes to fill this summer by way of FA and the draft. If we can at least effectively fill our starting SG hole and keep both Bosh and Marion, I'll accept starting the season with our present rotation of bigs. My opinion of feeling good about with Pops, O’Bryant and Hump is based on the the premise that we keep/re-sign Bosh.

I agree that adding a big man who can come off the bench and score consistently is necessary, but I don’t think we’ll be able to acquire one because we almost certainly won’t have the cap room. And acquiring a starting SG is a bigger necessity than a scoring back-up big.

It’s possible that we sign a starting SG via free agency and draft a big who can eventually become the score we need. It’s also possible that we trade our pick to acquire one who’s already a proven scorer.

If we re-resign Bosh, Marion, Parker, Graham and Pops (with Douby already inked), we may have enough money left under the cap to sign 1 more 2nd-tier quality free agent. The thought of starting the season with our current rotation of bigs in order to acquire a starting SG is a decent case scenario at best. It’s acceptable.

Most teams don’t have scoring bigs coming off the bench. Scoring bigs are starters.

We also have to factor in the reality that scoring bigs are hard to find and therefore cost more than scoring wings, which makes the possiblity of acquiring a scoring big less likely.

All things considered, we have too many holes to fill this summer by way of FA and the draft. If we can at least effectively fill our starting SG hole and keep both Bosh and Marion, I’ll accept starting the season with our present rotation of bigs.

]]> By: Neil http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/04/14/another-wacky-win-in-washington/#comment-25563 Neil Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:03:22 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=7191#comment-25563 + 1 + 1

]]> By: Pizzaman http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/04/14/another-wacky-win-in-washington/#comment-25558 Pizzaman Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:33:24 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=7191#comment-25558 Agree. He played in 67 games and while he certainly had hamstring issues he is still one of the slowest point guards in the league and cannot defend anyone other than guards who get scraed by the CLAP defense. Offensively he cannot see the whole court, and does not really create good looks for shooters as a great pg would. Jose was and is one of the main reasons why this team stunk the joint out. We need way more than Hump, Pops, and O'Bryant as back up bigs if we want to make the playoffs. Pops has enough energy and spring to back up Marion or another sf, but Hump is not good enough or smart enough to play regular minutes. Also the team desperately needs a shooting guard because Parker sucks. Trade Bosh for Biedrins and a draft pick, then get a real shooting guard, and maybe move Jose for a quicker guard or have him share minutes with a better SG than what we now have. Agree. He played in 67 games and while he certainly had hamstring issues he is still one of the slowest point guards in the league and cannot defend anyone other than guards who get scraed by the CLAP defense. Offensively he cannot see the whole court, and does not really create good looks for shooters as a great pg would. Jose was and is one of the main reasons why this team stunk the joint out.
We need way more than Hump, Pops, and O’Bryant as back up bigs if we want to make the playoffs. Pops has enough energy and spring to back up Marion or another sf, but Hump is not good enough or smart enough to play regular minutes. Also the team desperately needs a shooting guard because Parker sucks. Trade Bosh for Biedrins and a draft pick, then get a real shooting guard, and maybe move Jose for a quicker guard or have him share minutes with a better SG than what we now have.

]]> By: Sanders http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/04/14/another-wacky-win-in-washington/#comment-25557 Sanders Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:29:55 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=7191#comment-25557 Wizards would laugh you out of the room. Wizards would laugh you out of the room.

]]> By: MEL http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/04/14/another-wacky-win-in-washington/#comment-25553 MEL Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:22:39 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=7191#comment-25553 Butler and Jamison for Bosh, 1st round pick and cash! Deal call BC.. Butler and Jamison for Bosh, 1st round pick and cash! Deal call BC..

]]> By: special k http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/04/14/another-wacky-win-in-washington/#comment-25549 special k Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:00:16 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=7191#comment-25549 Who had that list of possible Head Coaches for Raps next year? Scratch Saunders off that list http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AlawtkO2WRq0yk_xSAZ6ElyfzIx4?slug=ap-wizards-saunders&prov=ap&type=lgns (posted 3 hrs ago, dunno if it's late) Who had that list of possible Head Coaches for Raps next year?

Scratch Saunders off that list
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AlawtkO2WRq0yk_xSAZ6ElyfzIx4?slug=ap-wizards-saunders&prov=ap&type=lgns

(posted 3 hrs ago, dunno if it’s late)

]]> By: Raptoronto http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/04/14/another-wacky-win-in-washington/#comment-25548 Raptoronto Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:56:27 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=7191#comment-25548 and 1 and 1

]]> By: LAs Only http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/04/14/another-wacky-win-in-washington/#comment-25547 LAs Only Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:51:46 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=7191#comment-25547 Bosh for Jamison and Butler. Will probably need some other pieces to make it work but a starting 5 of: Jose Butler Marion Jamison Bargnani I'd watch that team. Bosh for Jamison and Butler. Will probably need some other pieces to make it work but a starting 5 of:

Jose
Butler
Marion
Jamison
Bargnani

I’d watch that team.

]]> By: James http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/04/14/another-wacky-win-in-washington/#comment-25546 James Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:31:54 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=7191#comment-25546 He played in 67 of 81 games. Thats 83%, pretty healthy to me. You're kidding yourself if you think the hamstring thing won't be a problem every year. He played in 67 of 81 games. Thats 83%, pretty healthy to me.

You’re kidding yourself if you think the hamstring thing won’t be a problem every year.

]]> By: special k http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/04/14/another-wacky-win-in-washington/#comment-25544 special k Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:05:45 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=7191#comment-25544 And here I was making conclusions that Arsenalist had multiple personality disorder And here I was making conclusions that Arsenalist had multiple personality disorder

]]> By: CaldeROSEN http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/04/14/another-wacky-win-in-washington/#comment-25542 CaldeROSEN Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:02:17 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=7191#comment-25542 "Fact: If Gilbert Arenas was healthy this season, the Raptors would have been the worst team in the Eastern Conference." I'd counter with -- Fact: If Jose Calderon was healthy this season, the Raptors would have made the playoffs. “Fact: If Gilbert Arenas was healthy this season, the Raptors would have been the worst team in the Eastern Conference.”

I’d counter with — Fact: If Jose Calderon was healthy this season, the Raptors would have made the playoffs.

]]> By: Sweet River Baines http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/04/14/another-wacky-win-in-washington/#comment-25540 Sweet River Baines Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:34:14 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=7191#comment-25540 I agree. If/when Bosh and/or Bargs gets hurt next year the weaknesses of bench of bigs comprised of O’Bryant, Pops and Humps would be exposed (not unlike Jose's injuries exposed a serious lack of depth at the PG spot). I agree. If/when Bosh and/or Bargs gets hurt next year the weaknesses of bench of bigs comprised of O’Bryant, Pops and Humps would be exposed (not unlike Jose’s injuries exposed a serious lack of depth at the PG spot).

]]> By: Arsenalist http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/04/14/another-wacky-win-in-washington/#comment-25539 Arsenalist Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:32:52 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=7191#comment-25539 Sorry, he wrote it, I did the editing. Accidentally left my name on there for about 20 minutes or so. You guys don't let anything slip. Sorry, he wrote it, I did the editing. Accidentally left my name on there for about 20 minutes or so. You guys don’t let anything slip.

]]> By: Marc http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/04/14/another-wacky-win-in-washington/#comment-25538 Marc Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:31:17 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=7191#comment-25538 Streams are wigitty-wigitty-wigitty-wigitty wack. I'd much rather watch the game on a couch, on a big screen TV, in HD, and with some buddies. Fuck live feeds and fuck TSN2 for forcing us to go that route. Streams are wigitty-wigitty-wigitty-wigitty wack.

I’d much rather watch the game on a couch, on a big screen TV, in HD, and with some buddies.

Fuck live feeds and fuck TSN2 for forcing us to go that route.

]]> By: Law? http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/04/14/another-wacky-win-in-washington/#comment-25537 Law? Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:29:23 +0000 http://raptorsrepublic.com/?p=7191#comment-25537 It was...I did the double take as well. It was…I did the double take as well.

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