The reality is that this statement only applies to top tier talent. The Randy Foye’s and Roy Hibberts and Brook Lopez and Mario Chalmers etc are a specific piece of a puzzle and dont have the versatility to play 2 or 3 positions effectively at this level. Its not ALL about drafting by position nor is it ALL about drafting pure talent. Its about players fitting into systems, attitudes, work ethic, and fitting niche’s in an existing system.

It sounds depressing but out of the top 10 rookies each year spots 3-7 (approx)are simply players fitting a role on a team well. Keeping that in mind we should be absolutely freakin ecstatic if our rookie fills out a role similar to Anthony Parker in the short term with potential to become a fringe all-star in the future. Now that I think of it – thats the mould of Danny Granger… (no i’m not bitter!)

The reality is that this statement only applies to top tier talent. The Randy Foye’s and Roy Hibberts and Brook Lopez and Mario Chalmers etc are a specific piece of a puzzle and dont have the versatility to play 2 or 3 positions effectively at this level. Its not ALL about drafting by position nor is it ALL about drafting pure talent. Its about players fitting into systems, attitudes, work ethic, and fitting niche’s in an existing system.

It sounds depressing but out of the top 10 rookies each year spots 3-7 (approx)are simply players fitting a role on a team well. Keeping that in mind we should be absolutely freakin ecstatic if our rookie fills out a role similar to Anthony Parker in the short term with potential to become a fringe all-star in the future. Now that I think of it – thats the mould of Danny Granger… (no i’m not bitter!)

IMO … you would look at things like:

* Ability to keep his own check in front of him when there’s been no pick set by a Big
* Ability to switch onto bigger players without getting hurt inside severely
* Ability to play effective team defense [e.g. help, rotate, read situations correctly, play in the passing lanes, make steals and deflections, double-team in the post with good size, trap vs Big-on-Little pick situations, etc., etc., etc.]

I think you might be referring to what I said in another thread about “measuring the impact a PG has” by a team’s W-L rec’d vs any other position on a basketball team … which is not quite the same thing as “ranking the starting PG’s in the NBA according to his individual defensive ability”; in which case it would be up to each evaluator to develop his/her own means of construction for that specific list.

If you don’t want to put up your lists … that’s perfectly alright with me. : )

What I said is what I’ve said. You are free to disagree.

If you wish to look around the net … what you should be able to see for yourself is that my two lists have already been published for public consumption elsewhere. : )

Have yourself a terrific day!

I’ll even do some of the work for you … by providing a list of the players you will need to evaluate for their “defensive” ability at the Center and PG positions, relative to one another.

1. y-Cleveland — Ilgaukas; Williams-M
2. y-Boston 4.5 Perkins; Rondo
3. x-Orlando 5.0 Howard; Nelson
4. Atlanta 14.5 Horford; Bibby
5. Miami 18.5 O’Neal-J; Chalmers
6. Philadelphia 20.0 Dalembert; Miller-A
7. Detroit 21.5 Wallace-R; Stuckey
8. Chicago 23.5 Noah; Rose
9. Milwaukee 25.0 Bogut; Ridnour [or Sessions]
10. Charlotte 25.0 Okafor; Felton
11. New Jersey 26.0 Lopez; Harris
12. New York 26.5 Lee; Duhon [or Robinson]
13. Indiana 27.5 Foster; Ford
14. Toronto 31.0 Bargnani; Calderon
15. Washington 39.5 Haywood; Arenas

Western Conference
Team GB
1. y-LA Lakers — Bynum; Fisher
2. * San Antonio 8.5 Duncan; Parker-T
3. Houston 10.0 Ming; Brooks
4. * Denver 10.5 Nene; Billups
5. New Orleans 11.5 Chandler; Paul
6. Portland 11.5 Oden [or Przybila]; Blake
7. Utah 12.0 Okur; Williams-D
8. Dallas 13.5 Dampier [or Nowitzki]; Kidd
9. Phoenix 17.0 O’Neal-S; Nash
10. Golden State 30.0 Biedrins; Ellis
11. Minnesota 34.0 Jefferson; Telfair
12. Oklahoma City 35.0 Krstic; Westbrook
13. Memphis 36.5 Gasol; Conley
14. LA Clippers 37.0 Camby; Davis
15. Sacramento 40.0 Hawes; Udrih

All you have to do then is put them in the order that you wish. : )

Put up your list of 30 starting Centers in the NBA.
Then put up your list of 30 starting Point Guards.

That’s how you can see where each of these players might rank at their respective positions, in the NBA, in terms of their defensive ability.

Simply saying that you think someone is a 5 out of 10 … is meaningless.

I can point you to two comparative lists like that.

Please let me know where your two lists are at? : )

Khandor wake up!!!!

He is below average at best…

Andrea is much better defensive player then Jose…

It really is not even close….

Andrea is an average defender maybe (5 out of 10) but Jose is simply a poor defender (2 or 3 out of 10) who struggles to keep PG’s in front of him (pick or no pick)

As for the draft…. We are clearly not close to winning a title, therefore the player most likely who will turn out to be the best player MUST be drafted regardless of postion… It is a no brainer…

If your Boston, LA or another ELITE contending team and draft for need I can live with that, but other then that you draft the best player and shuffle the chairs acordingly.

Having said that our backcourt/wing needs a huge upgrade/face lift and I am hoping this best place player falls into that category.

I see Curry as being really underrated (yes I said underrated) he has no talented players around him when he gets to the NBA and does not have to be MR EVERYTHING he will be a good/great NBA player. My comparisons: If he plays the point would Mark Price if he plays the two would be Joe Dumars (on offence only of course)

His D will need some work. His offence is magical and will translate even more once surrounded by NBA talent.

Pop goes the credibility cherry. – by Arun
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Perhaps you should take the time to list all 30 Starting Centers in the NBA and all 30 Starting Point Guards. If you did, then you should be able to see for yourself where Bargnani [towards the bottom of the list] and Calderon [towards the middle of the list] rank in terms of their defensive ability, at their respective positions.

It’s really not that hard to do. : )

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Or, you could try looking around the net to see where somebody else has already done this work for you. ; )

Calderon was signed to a long term contract extension last summer.

If there’s a terrific player on the board who happens to be a PG, then so be it, there is nothing wrong with making that specific pick.

What’s wrong, however, IMO, is seeking out a top notch PG in the Draft Lottery because what your team is looking for is a “second option” at the PG spot … when you’ve already got Jose Calderon on your squad.

There are all kinds of 2nd tier Back-up PG’s in the world … not named Will Solomon or Marcus Banks or Roko Ukic [who I actually like as a 3rd stringer] … via trade, or Free Agency, or with a 2nd Round Pick, etc., and it’s just a waste of resources to go “looking” for one with a Lottery Pick.

Pop goes the credibility cherry.