You can’t hold me down!Roko Ukic: Clutch scoring personified. Does it sound insane? Yes, but for one night it was true. A total team effort had kept the game close till midway through the fourth and that’s when gut-check time came, usually these Raptors fold like a cheap deck of cards but not tonight. Call it determination, call it luck or just call it plain old resilience, a short-handed Raptors squad traded heavyweight punches with San Antonio and got clutch score after clutch score to keep themselves in it. When the time came to make a defensive stand they did it and when it came down to hitting that key shot that separates the great from the bad, Ukic, Parker and Bargnani delivered. It’s only one game but it’s good to write that the Raptors beat a great team by playing a great game.
Quick note. I hopped four bars to watch this game because of the intermittent TSN2 signal, I was joined by the drunk from Philthy’s who made a Wednesday appearance as we went from Philthy’s to O’Malley’s Pub to Crocodile Rock and finally to the Fox and the Fiddle. All in torrential rain, it was fun. The Syracuse v UConn game was being shown on the other screens and he drunkenly asked, “What game do you think Leo’s watching?”.
I had a good feeling about this one as soon as I saw Jose Calderon in a suit sitting next to Chris Bosh cracking pre-game jokes. Jose probably caught a glimpse of Tony Parker and decided to rest his 74.3514% hamstring for another week. After Foye and Telfair had railed him the previous night this was probably the scariest mismatch of them all and I’m glad he steered clear of it. Parker got the call at the point and Kapono started at SG with Joey Graham playing the SF. O’Neal was handed the task on Tim Duncan as Bargnani checked Bonner, a slower, fatter and tougher version of himself.
We started the game off doing the little things right, AP looked for his shot over the shorter Tony Parker and after a couple scores forced Finley and the San Antonio defense to shade just a little towards him. There was good ball movement and off-the-ball screens set for Kapono which meant Finley had to constantly close him out and frankly, he’s not the Finley of old and was constantly late and fell for every head-fake administered by Kapono. If I’m a Spurs fan I’d be very worried about heading into the post-season with Finley and Bowen as main contributors, maybe they liked what they saw of Parker today.
Bargnani took Tim Duncan out to the wing and had a couple sweeping drives against him, he ended with six first quarter points. Jermaine O’Neal was guarding Tim Duncan and did an alright job in my books, the most important part about his game was that he played Duncan straight-up which meant our defense didn’t have to worry about cheating on shooters to help out down-low, something we suck at. The Spurs who had made 16 threes in the previous meeting made only 5. Parker and Duncan combined for 18 first quarter points, mostly through dribble penetration and by running the pick ‘n roll to perfection but the Raptors managed to keep pace on offense and prevented their shooters from going off.
Bargnani had a solid game but a poor shooting night, he was 8-21 with 8 rebounds but wasn’t a liability on defense as we made a concerted effort of having him guard Bonner and Duncan instead of Manu Ginobili or Finely, which is where he usually ends up after a switch on the perimeter. His numbers might not show it but he gave Tim Duncan a whole lot to think about during the game and the Bargnani/O’Neal tandem had a lot to do with Duncan only having 3 fourth quarter points.
Joey Graham played only nine minutes due to sickness which meant Jamario Moon had his mile-wide grin got the call in the second quarter and didn’t disappoint, a dare three and a nice fast-break find by Roko netted him 6 quick points which meshed well with what others were doing. Triano’s no genius but unlike Sam Mitchell, he actually runs screens for Kapono and tonight O’Neal and Bargnani were setting solid picks to give him the daylight that he needs. His jumper was falling as he ended with 21 on 9-16 including 8 in the quarter. As he drained his third jumper from the high elbow I heard Colangelo’s phone ring.
Our best player of the quarter was Ukic who happens to be one of only two Raptors with a propensity to drive (other one being Joey) and he was showing it against Parker who was caught off-guard. Roko did nothing fancy, he just used the high pick, went right and finished by contorting his body and shot to avoid being blocked. 8 points in the frame for him meant we had a 7 point lead at the half. More importantly, he was making Tony Parker work and don’t for a second think that didn’t come into play in Parker’s shot at the buzzer being so short. Yesterday I said Jose needed to be a little more “traditional” in his approach and today Ukic showed what I meant – just put your head down and turn on the high screen!
The main adjustment from Popovic at the half was to make things a little more simple for the Spurs – space the court out and start shooting some threes. The Spurs started the quarter on a 12-4 run which included two threes by Mason and Ginobili. This was to be expected, the Spurs aren’t going to roll over and die, the question was how would we respond. The Spurs offensive punch was too much to bear as Ginobili and Parker were getting penetration and Thomas and Duncan were controlling the boards. Kapono was our main offensive threat again as he continued his abuse of Finley and ex-defensive-stopper Bowen by releasing early and often. The Spurs had upped their intensity and were making it a point to attack the paint which they did to a 52-32 advantage. The third quarter wasn’t pretty and it followed an all too familiar pattern. Still, the lead we had built up early allowed us to enter the fourth down only 2. That’s more than you can ask for against a great team while being short-handed. The highlight of the quarter for me was Kurt Thomas double-daring Roko to shoot a three and the Rokonator drilling it in his mug. We haven’t had enough moments like those this year.
The fourth quarter started with me puking in my mouth. Ginobili went on a 6-0 run – all on drives – as Bargnani, Moon and Ukic missed deep threes. The Spurs opened up an 8 point lead which seemed a bit too much to overcome given how poorly our offense functions in the clutch. But for the second night in a row the Raptors responded, this time it was Roko Ukic driving right to the rim for a layup and then drawing a foul on a similar play. Finley and Mason missed contested threes and then it happened. We finally looked for Bargnani in the clutch and not surprisingly, he delivered. He had 10 straight Raptor points and matched the unguardable Ginobili point-for-point as the latter was torching Moon, Parker and O’Neal on his drives from the wing.
I thought Bargnani’s play was crucial, the Spurs were in attack-mode and taking everything to the rim, the Raptors were on their heels and this was a trying time for our offense. Bargnani took some jumpers that he would’ve been crucified for if he had missed but he didn’t let his poor shooting night affect his final act. The lead would’ve easily ballooned to 12 or 14 if he hadn’t come to the rescue and he needs to be given a whole lot of credit for having the confidence to take those shots. Roko might be the hero but Bargnani set the stage for him. When Bosh comes back, Bargnani should be the first option in the fourth quarter simply because he doesn’t get scared and is able to make better and quicker decisions with the ball.
Ginobili continued his assault on our wings and drew a key foul against Parker to put the Spurs up five with a 1:45 left but Parker responded with a no-hesitation three after setting himself up off a high screen. AP’s been rightfully maligned for his unclutchness but that three was massive. Tony Parker got the benefit of another call as the Spurs went up by 4 with less than a minute left. Triano opted to not call a timeout (something I highly disagree with) and the play appeared to be going nowhere when O’Neal caught the ball at the left-elbow. Tony Parker got caught sagging off of Roko and O’Neal passed out to his only option and he drained a corner three to bring us back within one. Parker and O’Neal then finally combined for a stop against Ginobili and the ensuing Raptors possession was turning out to be another mess. That is until Roko decided to drive, lean and shoot over Parker and Duncan for two. Ugly? Yes. Do I care? No. Tony Parker’s attempt as time expired was contested by O’Neal and well short. Game over.
If Roko doesn’t make that three or the two shortly after, I’m ripping Triano for not calling timeout. He made the same mistake against Atlanta and repeated it today, he’s lucky to not get burned. Great win for the Raps, what does it mean in the grand scheme of things? Probably nothing more than a feel-good win but still, a great one at that.
Liners:
- We’ve had three quality wins all year, two really if you discount Houston’s pathetic play that night. In both those wins (Orlando, San Antonio) Roko has been the difference maker.
- Jack Armstrong and Matt Devlin have both been on Raptors Republic as Podcast guests but let that not stop me from saying that they were brutal to listen to tonight. Mundane, repetitive, boring and pointless. Sorry, but its true.
- It’s been said over and over again but I’d like to see Bargnani finish stronger in the paint, he opts for the reverse too often instead of going up from the strong-side.
- Jermaine O’Neal missed three gimme layups in this game, the best one came after he blew by Tim Duncan in the first quarter only to blow it.
- San Antonio’s Big 3 had 64 points but our “Big 3″ of Bargnani, Kapono and Ukic had 66. Tony Parker might’ve had 22 points but he only had 4 assists and that’s 6 less than the previous meeting. Secret to stopping the Spurs? Contain the three, they’re the second best three point shooting team in the league and rely on it heavily.
- Roko Ukic is more clutch than Chris Bosh. I swear I’m not even kidding, does it have something to do with him having the ball at the start of the possession? Probably, but the point still stands.
- I was dreading a Roger Mason Jr. three on the final possession, very shocked that Tony Parker opted for the shot he took.
- Jermaine O’Neal made Tim Duncan a non-factor in the fourth quarter. Ukic was awesome but I have to give the Player of the Game award to Andrea Bargnani and his 10 fourth quarter points. BIG BUSHEL OF ONIONS.
- Both the Raptors and Spurs were on the back-end of a back-to-back.
- Check out a Spurs blog take on things.
- Me and the drunk from Philthy’s were calculating how much JO makes a second. He makes approximately 21.5M and if he plays 35 minutes per game in 70 games, he’ll stand to make approximately $307,142 per game, that’s $8,775 every minute, that’s about $150 bucks every second. Nice.
This brings us to the All-Star break. We are the second-worst team in the East after Washington and are yet only 5 games out of the final playoff spot. There are six teams in between and assuming those teams play similar percentage basketball, we’ll have to go 19-8 the rest of the way. The schedule does get a little easier for us but this team hasn’t shown that it can win the games that it’s “supposed to win” and to not make a move at the deadline in hopes of salvaging the season with the current roster would be playing heavily against the odds.
Thanks for reading.



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“and then it happened. We finally looked for Bargnani in the clutch and not surprisingly, he delivered.” – Great point! AB’s shown he’s got ice in his vains, just like in Boston when he hit the 3 to take it into overtime.
It turns out we needed that time out though did it not? After Parker could not get the ball inbounds at first.
Great spurs D on the inbounds, but I have to say our inability to get it in the first time and then looking like we were going to blow the inbounds even AFTER the timeout (and finally getting it to JO…. probably our worst FT shooter on the floor even though he is very good for a big man) does not make me feel good about the coaching staff.
I hope to be able to read a better article than yours in the paid newspaper or in the news blog but I don’t think it will happen.
Very very well written.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Well done.
I agree. The synopsis was very well written. Kudos.
roko was known for being clutch in europe.
but so was marko jaric.
i have a “philosophical” point: so what if this games means nothing in “big” scheme of things. lets fucking enjoy it. it’s a win our team got against a good opponent.
I just realised the reason I hate Devlin is that he is so stupid that he can only use alliterations when commentating, thinking that he’s clever
I’m super excited to see that Roko had his break-out game, but it was just one game. Expecting much more might be putting the cart before the horse. So to speak.
is it just me, or is there something inherently unsatisfying in playing the spurs? if the spurs win, well, they’re the spurs, so duh.
if the raps win, i get the feeling that the general impression, outside of raptor-land, is that it was just a fluke, that the spurs must have been resting their big guys, that they don’t play for the regular season, that the big-picture is the playoffs, yada yada.
truth is, the raps didn’t do anything special, they just competed. true, they got big games from unexpected sources, and hit some big shots late, and made a couple defensive stands, but that, to me, is the trait of a good team…and since we know the raps aren’t a good team, i’m confused.
Arsenalist
After hearing your last two podcast performances I would maybe ease off a little on the Devlin and Jack bashing. I do enjoy your written work, but listening to your podcasts makes me wonder where you find standing to criticize these announcers. Marv Albert, Mike Breen, and others they are not, but they at least have figured out that drinking 4 Red Bull, or six cups of coffee before an interview is a bad idea. And come on, surely they aren’t as bad as Leo!
Having just looked at the message board from your Jack Armstrong interview, I can see you have been bashed enough. I’m sure you will improve.
uh, yeah. the fact that both are professional broadcasters means that they’re only subject to criticism from who, other professional broadcasters? as for those that ‘bashed’ arse…are THEY qualified to offer that criticism, since we have no idea as to their level of expertise in the area?
I love Jack and I actually don’t mind Devlin because he doesn’t sugarcoat things. But the day I have to bite my tongue is the day I’ll shut this blog down. Devlin and Jack were awful yesterday, absolutely brutal and TSN2 cutting out didn’t help.
And you seriously can’t be comparing me to paid professional broadcasters? I hope you hold them to higher standards than what you hold me to.
Incredible win last night. I still can’t believe it.
I love the ‘Big 3′ line. I’m still laughing at that one. It’d make a great T-shirt:
Andrea
Jason
Roko
Zucherman, Preistley and their pooch.
I missed the best game of the year because of stupid f’n TSN2. If this keeps up I’ll need to find a new reason for living.
One point I couldn’t agree more with:
O’Neal playing Duncan straight up was huge, if Bosh was playing and O’Neal wasn’t this game would have turned out very differently. I by no means think that O’Neal is more valuable to the Raptor’s success than Bosh except for in cases such as this where the Raps would have been dissected if they had to help on Duncan on every possession.
One point I have some contention with:
I agree that Bargnani should be the go-to guy in the 4th since just like Al Harrington HE MAKES BUCKETS but the problem is that when Bosh is back it’s not like he’s afraid to take the big shots late in games. He’s definetly shown that he wants the ball in his hands with the game on the line but like you said, he just doesn’t make smart decisions with it. I think it will be very interesting to see if Triano has the balls to stick with Bargnani late in games or fold to pressure from both Bosh and I’m sure Colangelo and run plays for Bosh instead.
re: going 19-8 the rest of the way
Date Opponent
Feb 18 vs Cleveland *
Feb 20 at New York *
Feb 22 vs New York
Feb 24 vs Minnesota
Feb 27 at Phoenix *
Mar 1 at Dallas *
Mar 3 at Houston *
Mar 6 vs Miami
Mar 8 vs Utah
Mar 11 at Philadelphia *
Mar 13 vs Detroit
Mar 15 vs Indiana
Mar 16 at Charlotte *
Mar 20 vs Charlotte
Mar 22 vs LA Clippers
Mar 25 vs Milwaukee
Mar 27 vs Oklahoma City
Mar 29 vs Chicago
Apr 1 at Orlando *
Apr 4 at New York *
Apr 5 vs New York
Apr 7 vs Atlanta
Apr 8 at Indiana *
Apr 10 vs Washington
Apr 12 vs Philadelphia
Apr 13 at Washington
Apr 15 at Chicago *
I only see 11 games where the Raptors might not be EXPECTED to win straight-up, in advance.
Bearing in mind that they will invariably lose a few games they should win and win a few they should lose … although 19-8 might not be too realistic … 16-11 certainly looks like a definite possibility, if they can get their act together.
21-34 + 16-11 = 37-45 [.451] … which will probably mean missing the playoffs this season and then picking somewhere between the #11-14 slots in the 2009 NBA Draft.
perfect! wait…that wasn’t the plan?
No the plan was to win around 45ish games this year. BC thought he put the best team together, but didnt tern out that way. Why? this has been discussed so i wont bore you guys. I dont see up going 16-11 the rest of the year. maybe 1 or 2 games over .500 but thats it.
Honestly I want to finish shitty so we get a good pick.I think Al-Farouq Amino (or whatever his name is) should be high on out list. We need an athletic SF and he looks good to me.
This is a reasonable list. And it brings home the fact that the Raps are still conceivably in the playoff hunt. This kills me. Part of me wanted them to lose that last game to Minny so we wouldn’t have to hear the silly playoff talk any longer. I guess we’ll be teased for a little while longer.
Last week I was firmly rooted in my position to hope for losses. Now I’m torn. Do I want them to win or lose? Still leaning towards lose. Although its a crappy draft class.
This win might not mean much but it’s a quality one and as long as Triano gets it that Ukic needs couple of more minutes per game in 4th Q thats fine. his time will come next year.
btw, Ukic owned Parker in international play.
marko jaric clutch? wtf.
re: Ukic vs Parker
With the size and skill set that Ukic brings to the table, he is a solid match-up vs TP.
which parker?
I thinke he means Charlie Parker of the Los Angeles D-fenders of the NBDL. If he meant anyone else, the NBA would have been specified.
Hahahahah….that was great.
khandor – I think Ukic is a pretty good defensive matchup against far more PGs than Calderon. His offense is the problem, he made a couple turnovers in this game because of bad handles that made me cringe. He needs to tighten his dribble big time and we all know about the shot. I like how we sometimes play Jose at the off-guard, would like to see more of that.
!!!!!!! ha ha.
in the nba.
Roko Ukic is more clutch than Chris Bosh. I swear I’m not even kidding, does it have something to do with him having the ball at the start of the possession? Probably, but the point still stands.
You base this on one game? Factor in the point that, as many have pointed out in Chris’ time here, this team has never really “fed their bigs”. Mix in more than a few game winning shots over the years and I’m not sure the point stands.
There’s two aspects of “feeding a big”, one is the entry-pass and the other being the player fighting for position. I’ve never seen a star player get shoved out of the box more easily than Chris Bosh. Teams have had success fronting him with off-guards, until he learns how to do that you can’t really blame the team for not giving it to him.
I will concede that the Raptors are very poor at making entry-passes and that has something to do with it but to suggest that it’s the main reason why he doesn’t get his in the fourth is wrong.
One game. ONE GAME! And now he’s The White Mamba?
Is this like Jose’s one game vs Boston last year and ever since he’s been called clutch? While missing, I have no idea how many shots in the clutch since?
People are sad.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOTTT WHITE MAMBA!!!!!!!!!!
sad, indeed. can we maybe lay off on using the term ‘clutch’ until they play, y’know, a meaningful game? it’s nice to beat a very good team, doubly nice when it looks like they’re actually tring, and trip-ly nice when you do so with bench guys stepping up big. but ‘clutch?’ c’mon…clutch is taking/making big shots in BIG games, when the result of a miss (& subsequent loss) is devastating. if roko had missed the 3, or the last runner, or both, it’s not like he would be any less clutch than if he’d made them, since the result would have likely been a loss, which would not only NOT have been devastating, it would have been entirely expected.
that is no way a disparagement of the rook, he played outside his head last night, and really showed signs that he could, with continued development, turn into a legit starting PG in this league…and maybe more. his handle is much better, his movement seems more fluid, and his ability to drive & actually finish at the hoop was excellent. he certainly gives them an element that jose doesn’t, and one that’s been sorely missed from the backcourt this season.
and if you’re preaching from the mountaintop about what a god roko is now, make sure you make yourself heard when he plays like a rookie. it’s not likely that we’ll see a repeat performance like this again soon, so don’t be cherry-picking your moments…if he plays like shit, have the cajones to stand up & say so, even if you think he’s a good player.
Ive been thinking this a while, the raptors slide into being shit pretty much started after garbo went down.
He was a key piece to our team then. anyone have any additional thoughts or is it just coincidence?
wow, y’know, i never really thought of that. excellent, excellent point. guru indeed.
Garbo was a factor but the team really got shitty when the only guy on the team that could break down a defense and get in the paint to pull defenders away from our shooters decided to change his first inital from T to ME.
JO was supposed to be the fix-all (suck defenders into the paint and away from our shooters, interior D and rebounding)…but that is, well, just look at our record.
I’ve been saying it since the middle of last season: BLAME GARBO.
cant really blame garbo. that was a nasty break. but playing with the spanish team was a huge mistake that cost him his career.
By the way, are we still paying garbo??
We are. We bought out his contract before the season. BC felt ridding the locker room of his drama-inducing presence was worth $4M+.
If he hadn’t played for the Spanish team in the Euro tourney – which they subsequently lost to Russia & AK-47 – and had listened to 9/10 doctors who advised him not to rush back he would have been healthy enough to play the tail-end of season last year, as well as contribute more than he did for Spain’s Olympic team.
Thankfully, Bosh has the common sense to withdraw from the All-Star game.
He didn’t pay that much to buy him out buddy, it was more along the lines of 3 million.
Being “clutch” when no one knows your game and puts zero defensive focus on you is not the same as being “clutch” with a triple team coming your way.
But you have to say Roko has some serious stones and gave us one of the few things to cheer about this season.
Roko isn’t scared, I like that about him. Always did and it’s a trait that every clutch player needs to have. I don’t think Bosh has it, he’s proven that time and time again. If I had to pick a Raptor to make two clutch free throws, I’d go in this order:
- Calderon (percentage is just too bloody high)
- Bargnani
- Kapono
- Ukic
- Parker
- Bosh
HA!
See how scared JO was last night, during his 2? Eyes of Bambi, the poor bastard. MAN I DETEST THAT GUY. He’s DWade’s inspiration for the fall down/get up commercials. I swear he spends more time on the ground then playing basketball.
As far as Jose.. did he not miss his 1st FT of the season in a clutch situation?
wow parker over bosh! thats saying something about bosh’s ‘clutchability’. I honestly think that Parker has never made 2 free throw in the clutch his whole life.
Gotta Agree,
I’d take Bosh over Parker in clutch free-throw situations too.
Bosh and Calderon would be my choice for last second free-throws. Bosh may not be a great game finisher in the flow of the game but I don’t recall Bosh being un”clutch” at the line. The dude plays 90% of games and is usually gased from carry this team (since VC cried his way out of town) at the end of games. We need some perspective on his talents…if he leaves we WILL miss him immensely.
Yeah, I think you’re right. I’d take Bosh over Parker too, that was a mistake. But I do recall Bosh missing FTs late in games, can’t recall which ones, I just remember nunya coming over here and ripping him a new one for it a few times.
- Calderon
- Bargs
- Kapono
- Graham
- Bosh
- Dwight
- Shaq
- Armless man who shoots free throws with his teeth
- Parker
No way you put Parker above bosh. Parker is GUARANTEED to go 1 for 2. Bosh could make both, and has.
I think it says something that you ranked Anthony “McClank” Parker ahead of Bosh in clutch FT situation preference.
Devlin and Jack were pretty bad yesterday but I think it’s due to having to produce false enthusiasm and it’s just too damn transparent. Devlin sounds like Suommerall in Madden ’94 where he gets pumped on a two yard gain on a 3rd and 15 play…it’s jarring. Devlins AI needs to be tuned.
Rokomotive – the only Rap who drives to the lane.
He has balls the size of Rokonuts.
Believing that Garbojosa isn’t healthy enough to play in the NBA any more is like … believing Darius Miles isn’t healthy enough to play again either. : )
Garbajosa did nothing wrong by playing for Spain.
The Raptors, on the other hand, are the ones who have mis-handled their response towards Garbajosa’s injury and rehabilitation since the start of the 2007-2008 season … and, especially, re: the decision to sue the Spanish Basketball Federation and buy his contract out this past summer.
re: Ukic vs Parker
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I thinke he means Charlie Parker of the Los Angeles D-fenders of the NBDL. If he meant anyone else, the NBA would have been specified.
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Usually … when the T goes with the P, it’s in reference to Mr. Longoria. : )
LOL
Arsenalist,
It’s a widely held misconception to believe that Defense at the Starting PG spot is more important than Offense to the functionality of a legit contending team … in the NBA.
The FACT IS that … the NBA game is unlike any other in the world, and Offense efficiency at this spot, in terms of Team Production levels, easily trumps a specific player’s Defensive contribution, as far as this specific position is concerned.
Might not be what I prefer, personally … but, dems the simple facts. : )
Would you care to elaborate on why you think that is?
IMO, only a less-than TOP NOTCH General Manager would ever BLAME an injury to a player like Garbajosa for the struggles of a team like the Toronto Raptors.
Well the fact that Garbo hasnt been pursued by any other NBA team says that maybe he cant be effective in this league anymore – I mean he was very unathletic to begin with….
The Lakers were interested, it just never came to fruitition.
Why do you say I am unathletic tio?
How could I guard 3 positions on the floor then?
Garbo is a good team defender and by no means a defensive stopper in fact he visibly struggled at times chasing opposing players. But he rarely made mistakes and he’s Stephen Hawking in B-Ball IQ. Unfortunately having a severe injury at the age he did made it difficult for him to be effective. I do agree that they shouldnt have bought him out and should have tried to trade his expiring contract so we could atleast get something back for him and shed salary/gain warm bodies…
That’s a pretty solid solid analysis of the guy. I’d like to add that he never made the mistake of playing a guy who couldn’t shoot too tight and never sagged off a guy who could. It’s something simple but it’s oh so lacking in some of our players.
Buying him out instead of trading him didn’t make any sense on any level (unless I’m missing something). The only thing I could see in that move was to say to Jose, “Hey, we’re taking care of your buddy”.
Statement,
Running a NBA team is not like running a lower level hoops program in a different part of the overall basketball community.
When you lose a player on your school team, for example, the only players you really have access to are the other students in your school. You might need to fill in temporarily with a non-scholarship walk-on, or a stiff from the phys ed. class, or a member of the chear-leading squad, etc.
Not in this case. We are talking about running a team in the NBA … the best basketball league in the ENTIRE WORLD.
When an injury occurs to a non-superstar player, like Garbo, the best GMs in the business do not even break stride.
FIRST. They have already accounted for the possibility of injury, from the get go, by assembling a deep and talented roster with an excess of complementary pieces.
SECOND. If the cupboard happens to be bare, for some unforeseen reason … they do not throw their hands up in the air or bury head head in the sand, do nothing of substance, and blame the downfall of their team on an injury to this non-superstar player.
What they do instead is: 1. GO OUT AND GET A DIFFERENT PLAYER, via a trade, the draft, or as an UFA signing [in-season or during the following year]; and, then, 2. Keep the trains running on time.
In part, THIS is why they are considered to be a TOP NOTCH General Manager in the first place …. rather than just “an average” GM who can’t convince the owner of his team to exceed the Salary Cap or the Luxury Tax, when need be.
If Garbo’s injury was last month, that’s a different story. The FACT IS, however … Jorge broke his leg at the tail end of the 2006-2007 regular season, which is now, almost 2 full years ago.
This is not a high school team we are talking about, nor a college program.
This is supposed to be a TOP NOTCH TEAM IN THE WORLD’S NO. 1 BASKETBALL LEAGUE.
The GMs in this league who make the biggest bucks are supposed to be able to EARN their paycheck in an unforeseen situation like the Raptors found themselves in when Garbo’s leg was snapped.
GMs who make excuses like THAT … while sitting on a $70 million budget per year, with access to the very best players in the world, are something less-than TOP NOTCH, in my book.
Khandor,
I had to laugh out loud at the length of your post cause you didn’t respond to my original question. I was asking you to elaborate on your offensive versus defensive value in point guards, not the GM issue.
Good stuff on the long post though, very amusing.
So you still feel like elaborating on my initial question? ‘Cause if you don’t I’ll understand.
Still, I haven’t seen anybody take the time to give such a lengthy and careful response to the wrong f’n question. That’s GOLD!
Edgar,
Have you been watching what Nenad Krstic has been doing with the Ok City Thunder recently? Or, what Mr. Miles is doing in a reserve role with with the Grizzlies?
Mr. Garbajosa may well never play in the NBA again … but, if he does not, it will not be because he is physically incapable of doing so, following the successful rehabilitation of his severe leg injury.
Unfortunately having a severe injury at the age he did made it difficult for him to be effective = seemingly the opinion of the NBA’s current General Managers.
So yeah he’s physically capable of doing so, as he’s demonstrated playing in the olympics and Russia, but not at the level he was at when entering the NBA @ age 29. Really I feel sorry for AP and Garbo because timing got in the way of more productive professional careers…
Arsenalist,
Great recap! Always a pleasure to read your work. I think Roko will be the starter for this club in 3 years. Maybe two.
Statement,
1. Generally speaking I use the “regular” comments feature, not the “threaded” one, so … in this case, it was actually the right answer for the question that was asked of ME. Pure, internet, Plutonium. LOL : ) LOL
2. It wasn’t a carefully constructed answer, in the first place. : )
3. re: offensive vs defensive value of starting PGs
What exactly do you want to know?
LOL …
Nothing till tommorrow bud,
Ok, I wont post in garbo character this time…
First I just wanted to point out that garbo WAS athletic. How can you guard three 3 positions on the floor and not be athletic? I agree he couldn’t win a dunk-off, but he was a really quick, agile, coordinated, strong, and lenthy player…ie. he was ATHLETIC! There is a difference between “explosive” and “athletic”.
Also I have to ask, what makes a “defensive stopper”? In the NBA, who can really stop anyone one-on-one? Bruce Bowen maybe a few years ago? Ron Artest? Marion? Even these guys would get light up for 25+, 30+ by the superstars they were guarding, but they get props for obviously making it as difficult as possible. Garbo was one of those guys who made it difficult for opposing players. He sagged/played up, challenged the shot, boxed out, etc. as neccessary. So basically my point is, give the man his props: he was athletic, and he was as almost as good as it gets as an all-around defensive player.
Garbo was good but he wasn’t athletic compared to someone like Moon, Artest, Odom or even Joey. I don’t think I ever saw Garbo get a block by using his athleticism or reach like Moon. His defensive “recoverability” was low because he didn’t have the athleticism to be in two places at once, this actually worked out in favor of him because it forced him to play solid scouting-report-based defense, entirely unlike Moon.
I don’t think Garbo was quick, he might’ve appeared quick because his man was always in front of him but that’s because he knew how to play the angles/baseline and knew when to sag. Smart player.
I think you have a different definition of athleticism than me, I define an athletic player as being somewhat explosive, able to run the break, jumping ability, recoverability, good wing-span and the other things you mentioned like strong and agile.
Agree with the gist of your second paragraph.
Amen – I’m considered a very good defensive player among my b-ball peers but am by no means athletic…
To the point about garbo being the missing piece, earl clark is really similar to him, a good combo forward, and he will be available around the pick we’ll be drafting
If it really was about “winning”, Garbajosa would be on the roster this season or. at least, traded for another asset. If, however, it really was “ego”, or “budgetary concerns” on the part of the Pres/GM [not the Board of MLSE, in this case ... which is a different matter altogether and should NOT be used as another red-herring] … then it is perfectly understandable why the SBF was threatened with a lawsuit and the Raptors’ “glue guy” [according to Colangelo own words] was jettisoned for no good reason at all.
Just because something is understandable does not mean that was the right thing to do, as the Pres/GM for team, that has prioritized “winning”. Being understandable and being right are not the same thing. : )
IMO, those who mistakenly think that Garbajosa was not athletic are similar to those who mistakenly think that neither is Steve Nash … when, IN FACT, Captain Planet is one of the very best “athletes” in the entire NBA. Athleticism is a complex concept, and many people who do not know that much about it, relatively speaking, mis-interpret what it means and who exactly fits properly into what category within it.
e.g. Shaquille O’Neal, Dwight Howard, Lebron James, Hedo Turkoglu, Ryan Anderson, Mike Taylor, Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash, Andre Miller, Jose Calderon, Brandon Roy, Brent Barry, Eddie Curry, Matt Harpring, CJ Miles, Manu Ginobili, etc., etc., etc. … are all terrific athletes playing in the NBA, each one slightly different than the other but first-rate in his own right.
Yes, there’s big difference between a player like Jorge Garbajosa and Brian Cardinal or Jason Collins but it is simply incorrect to say that the former Raptors’ “glue guy” was not “athletic”.
Strictly speaking, “athleticism” refers to an extraordinary physical skill set. A person who can run, jump, throw, spin, flip, pirouette, or pull off a quadruple sow-cow. Pure athletes would have no problem competing in multiple sports. Its not difficult to envision Vince Carter (or Rodney Carney) competing for the high jump or playing football or baseball.
Sure, Garbo has athletic attributes (quickness, agility) but he’s slow afoot with a 4 inch verticle. Aside from bowling or maybe tag team wrestling with fellow grease-ball Razor Ramone, I couldn’t see him successfully pursuing any other athletic endeavour (maybe a baseball DH or 1b, I guess). It’s his intellectual acumen that makes him a player, not his athleticism.
Carter or Carney playing baseball?? LOL somehow I think they’d both be pretty easy strikeouts. You raised a perfect example of how there is MORE to athleticism than simple “pure” athleticism/leaping ability.
Baadassssss,
Do you know and understand who exactly this man is?
In his heyday … although certainly “slow afoot”, as well … he was easily one of the most “athletic” individuals on the planet earth.
When others attempt to limit the concept of human athleticism to only certain specific areas, or combinations of skills sets and abilities, they move into ground which is, at best, without solid footing.
Sorry for the double post. The link in this one should actually work. : )
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Baadassssss,
Do you know and understand who exactly this man is?
In his heyday … although certainly “slow afoot”, as well … he was easily one of the most “athletic” individuals on the planet earth.
When others attempt to limit the concept of human athleticism to only certain specific areas, or combinations of skills sets and abilities, they move into ground which is, at best, without solid footing. : )
My point remains that if you take away Garbo’s basketball acument, he is not in the NBA. The same cannot necessarily be said about a Joey Graham type.
well, if there was ever a generation of athletes that deserve no scrutiny or speculation, it’s soviet weightlifters from the 70′s.