Update: Bosh Denial :: Colangelo Denial
ESPN loudmouth Stephen A. Smith is reporting that Chris Bosh has told Bryan Colangelo that he is not interested in remaining in Toronto. Apparently Miami is very interested and so is Dallas. I’m not too shocked by this rumour, he appears to have checked out of late and is basically going through the motions the last couple games. Bosh probably feels that not enough has been done to surround him with good enough players to compete and that his recent bad play has more to do with NBA defenses zeroing on him rather than his own ineptitude. Keep in mind that the Raptors can offer Bosh approximately $30 million more than any other team so although the trade rumour make sense basketball-wise, it makes little sense financially unless Bosh feels he can make up the money through endorsements.
I never thought Bosh was one to pull a VC but I suppose you live and learn. Just like the Vince Carter trade defined Babcock’s regime in Toronto, the Chris Bosh trade will do the same for Colangelo. This franchise is short on assets and we must get maximum value in return for Chris Bosh otherwise this franchise will enter an even darker period.
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In typical BC fashion, he will refuse to trade him… and Bosh will walk away, while BC is holding Maurizio’s coconuts in his hand.
Arse, Bosh said multiple times it’s not about the money. Not everyone paper chases. Tim Duncan took less money, Dirk took less money… he just want his efforts to mean something, not be wasted on a team that’s never going to do anything in the post season.
Still, saying something and doing it is two different things. 30 million is nothing to be scoffed at. We’ll see in the next few days what happen. I’m sure Bosh will come out and deny it and Colangelo will call SAS a dirtbag and we’ll forget about this till the summer.
Yeah, I’m figuring the same. But for SAS to just come out with that, would be sort of silly… I know, not like it would be the 1st time.
Is a ring worth 30 million? The chance to be on a legit team? I’m not saying it’s chump change… but guys sign the vet minimum just to POTENTIALLY be on a ring team.
Meh, he is a millionaire regardless lol. I rather spend the next 10 years of my career winning and being happy in fucking Miami or wherever then making a few more million In Toronto, yet continue losing and getting ridiculed by fans and media alike.
You can never trust Stephen A. Smith, but let’s just hypothetically assume that Bosh did go talk to BC and told him that he won’t re-sign. Just like Arse, I’ve noticed that Bosh has completely fallen off in terms of production. More than that though, it doesn’t look like he cares anymore, so something is definitely up.
I’d expect BC to trade Bosh come draft night, if he does so at all. Draft night presents BC the opportunity of dealing w/ a team that has an establish top-5, and getting the player that he wants if that player is on the board still. A team like Chicago, for example, would be hard-pressed to not make a move for Bosh if he’s put on the market, b/c Jerry Reinsdorf the owner of the Bulls franchise is getting a little impatient, and pairing Bosh up w/ Rose would be a no-brainer move for John Paxson, even though he is very hesitant to trade his young players. Of course, for that to happen, the Bulls would need to start losing some more games here. Chicago would also make sense, b/c they could have the resources to re-sign him during the 2010 FA frenzy. So that’s what I’d look for.
Further, if it is true (why stay here and get booed), his agent must have lost half his hair seeing a nice payday go down the tube. Hold out for a sign and trade at least…just ask TMac.
Wow…an entire post about a Stephen A Smith rumour? And a post taking it seriously, no less? I know you don’t like Bosh, but this would be like me doing a post on HO when he first went down with an injury…pick an injury…and dancing all over his knee/ankle/groin/elbow/ego.
Yikes…must be a slow night on tv or something. Or was this part of our ESPN deal? At least that would make sense.
http://www.raptorsforum.com/f/showthread.php?t=1724
umm.. what does that have to do with anything? That was from last year..when SAS called him Manute Bol or something.
Just the fact that they have a history. Bosh also made the mistake of saying what Smith said hurt him and pissed him off. Never a good thing to say publicly about a chatterbox/shit disturber like Smith.
Ease up there Alt, or at least wait till the Chris Bosh denial to call him a liar.
Just posted a hard-hitting rumour, not sure why you’re equating this with an O’Neal injury, go ahead and rip him a new one for all I care. You’re a little too emotionally attached to Chris Bosh to see things in clear perspective when it comes to his state of mind, his future and his opinion of the Raptors. Did he shake your hand once at an exclusive season-ticket holder party to win you over for life?
No, but did HO slap your ass at a party or something?
I will go with what he said to the Fan folks that is documented and online over some talking head that plays with peoples minds to try and keep himself current.
Does strike me as odd that only one guy would have sources to confirm this, yet every Tom Dick and Harry knows about O’Neal.
I will give Smith credit on one thing: he is smart enough to know the online passion that Raptor fans have and he knows how to tweak ‘em when they are down. Kudos.
Let me be the first to say this is great news from the view of young talent. Yes Bosh is a Superstar but he is not at the same level as Wade, Garnett, Bron, Kobe, or Dwight.
Lets be honest the Raptors are NOT MAKING THE PLAYOFFS THIS YEAR.
Also in: THE RAPTORS WILL NOT ATTRACT THE TYPE OF FREE AGENTS NY, CLE ect. WILL IN 2010
Raptors will not contend Next year
Raptors have very little young talent to move forward (Ukic, Bargnani, Graham)
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Now with this in mind trading Bosh right now could net us a future superstar or some great picks which means we could have a great young core going into 2010 where we could then overspend (only way) for a key free agent in the offseason.
The only thing i ask BC to do is make sure other teams overspend for Bosh, not the other way around. We dont NEED to trade him which was the mindset of Babcock with Vince.
I suggest looking at young teams gearing for a 2010 run such as Oka City, Chicago, MEM….ect.
I believe we should be looking at Future star (Beasley, Westbrook, Gay, Foye) + 1st round draft pick as a trade strategy which would put the franchise in a very good position for the next 5 years
Ahh yes.. the NEW young talent 5 year plan… aka.. the young talent farm team plan. Let’s acquire young guns, let them develop their game, establish themselves in the NBA, and finally let them walk to a real team. Rise and repeat. Your Toronto Farmers, ladies and gentlemen.
So what would you rather have? Watch the Raptors underachieve for the next few years?
Spend a ton of money at old free agents just to watch them buckle to injury? Try and think we are going to keep our superstar and watch him walk for nothing (ala Mcgrady)?
See our incredible young talent – Ukic, Barganani, Graham, Jawii, Humphries – flourish in the next few years?
What would you do if your superstar came to you and said he dont wanna resign?
Ukic, Jawai, Hump and Joey are incredible young talents now? Really? Wow. Is that why no one drafted Ukic or Jawai and why Hump got traded.. is that why we drafted Joey or Danny Granger?
Look, they will bring old agents anway.. to “help” that young talent. And then watch them retire, while trading, the now developed talent, to real teams. Been doing it for years, guy.
Bosh is not a superstar, but if he did come to me and said that, while he’s been half assing his play and tanking the team..I’d trade his ass so fast, his head would spin. At this point, BC has no moves to pull off to make him happy. Ship him out.
*over Danny Granger?
“See our incredible young talent – Ukic, Barganani, Graham, Jawii, Humphries – flourish in the next few years?”
The entire point of this sentence was sarcastic, as was almost the entire tone of the paragraph. It was meant to show how little quality young talent the Raptors have for the next few years.
I guess the sports pshycologist(sp) didn’t work !
LMAO….Rap of the day, right there.
I’ve been an arsenal and raptors fan for many years now and I have to admit, the biggest difference I’ve noticed between gunners fans and raps fans is one thing. BELIEF. You look at real footy fans, they cheer their team on regardless of the score. Whether the boys are losing 3-0 or winning 4-0, they cheer their asses off. This is known in the NBA as the 6th man effect. Yes, we should be upset and disappointed in the team. But that doesn’t mean we need to enhance these rumors which sound like complete BS. It doesn’t mean we need to criticize a player’s heart and desire to win. Have you ever had a bad week at work? Where nothing goes right? You try and try to do your job effectively but you’re comp at work keeps crashing making you start all over again. All I’m saying is, TRUE fans have patience, blind loyalty and don’t make a blatant attempt at creating a negative atmosphere amongst the fan base.
I guess we all need to take a trip to OKC and take cheering 101 at a Thunder game.
Umm…what?
First of all, you’re an Arsenal fan like me and we’re lucky enough to have ownership that is committed to racking up wins and have also been lucky enough to get a genius like Arsene Wenger to run the club. So things are quite rosy for us as Arsenal fans, let’s not compare that situation to the Raptors. Or Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea etc. A Crystal Palace supporter might think different than you. I hate people who start calling Raptor fans fickle just because they’re vocal in their criticism of the franchise and its players, I mean it’s not like we’re switching allegiances on a game-by-game basis.
Did you watch the Magic game? If you did you saw a Chris Bosh who’s play left me open to criticize his heart and desire to win. Me posting a trade rumour started by ESPN is hardly “enhancing” anything, it’s not like a I made this shit up or had my own “inside sources”.
There is a HUGE difference between Arsenal and the Raptors. I’m a Man Utd fan but I have a big respect for Arsenal and still consider them as one of the top teams in the Premier League. Yes they are struggling right now and are even fighting with Aston Villa for 4th place to secure them a spot in the Champions League. Man U and Chelsea are big spenders, the “Yankees” of football, so far it worked for them. They have been winning in their leagues and are 2 of the best in the world. Arsenal meanwhile does not spend big but rather they develop their young players and turn them into stars. I also admire Arsene Wenger for being completely loyal to the team (how long has he been there?).
The Raptors meanwhile uhhmmm,,, I still think that they are the best sports team in TO at the moment (although the Leafs are not that far behind). They did won the Atlantic Division 2 seasons ago, but what happened? They choked in the first round against VC and his Nets. And the previous management is terrible in getting young talent (i.e. Araujo over Iggy, etc.) And since they have scarce young talent they sign guys from out of no where (moon, parker, jose, garbajosa) and overpay should-be role players (kapono). They also donated VC to the Nets. So far they are a very underachieving team. I still believe that they are better than their record, and that I approve of Sam Mitchell’s firing. I hope Jay Triano will be the permanent head coach of this team and spend money on getting talent rather than spending it on a coach. We should be patient with BC, he did a great job in Phoenix (his dad is also good job with Team USA) and hope that he handles this situation well.
Fill me in on the great job BC did in PHX.. I keep hearing about this, yet I seen nothing as far as results are concerned.
what’s your take on Chris’ quotes today about his performance?
I loved that T he got at the end of the second. He was pissed and he showed it. I’d take that over the looks I’m getting from some of the other guys on the team.
“TRUE fans have patience, blind loyalty and don’t make a blatant attempt at creating a negative atmosphere amongst the fan base.”
Riiiight.. that’s called being a facilitator in an abusive relationship.
Sorry, TRUE fans draw the line at a certain point with patience, they have loyalty but it’s not effing blind and create A REALISTIC atmosphere amongst the fan base.
What you are describing is a homer.
ripcity,wake the fuck up !!!!,if the the rumours and I do say rumours are true…Bosh will be back home in Texas playing with Dallas.
Well, this is why nothing has been happening and the JO fantasy. Timing is everything, and Bosh can score a lot of talent in return. I didn’t call him Botch, because the organization is a disgrace, as in hey I know, let’s get another 3 point shooter. How could any great player stay interested?
There have been questionable moves, but by no means can you say the organization is a disgrace when we went from 27 wins to 48 wins within 10 months. There have been many many bad moves, but a disgrace is the Charlotte Bobcats. A disgrace is the Memphis Grizzlies.
There never was any expectations with the Bobcats and Grizz. But their futures are much brighter then ours, thats for sure.
Btw TO never won 48 games, and if you are talking about the 47 win season… that’s the biggest fraud of a record ever. And so is that banner.
Agreed. Most overrated “accomplishment”.
Tarun : We won the Atlantic that year because the entire Conference was in a coma. Boston, Orlando, Atlanta, Milwaukee were terrible, their injuries were merciless and we took advantage of that. Nothing wrong with that, but we simply overachieved and played in over our heads. Bryan must have thought we were the real deal and would only get better from within so he refused to make changes.
The next year and present time – We come back down to Earth.
Basically, take that 47 win team and have them play in the today’s Eastern Conference, we don’t make the playoffs.
I think Bryan will let Bosh walk and get nothing in return. Just because of his past history and not getting any equal value in any of those trades. All he really has to fall back on is that MLSE wouldn’t allow him to trade him and he had no other alternative.
With all the cap space we will have in 2010 ? Who knows what will happen.
So Jalen Rose says he KNOWS Bosh is leaving, and then SAS says it again (probably referencing Jalen).
This is Stupid!
Bosh will not be traded before JO. Bosh will not be traded this year. Trading a superstar takes a hella long time.
I swear to god, IF Bosh gets traded to the heat for Beasley and some filler, I’ll become an OKC fan.
Well they want Bosh on a new team ASAP and using this tactic – smearing Toronto and quoting Bosh will quicken the process. BOOM!!!!!
They get .60 cents on the dollar for Chris.
SAS said “Chris Bosh has told BC…” so quickly and in passing that you have to take it as being 1000% BULLSHIT!!!
If this rumour was fact/truth, SAS would have dwelled on it like a real news story.
All SAS did was expand on Jalen Rose’s statement as being a commonly known, non-news worthy RUMOUR!!!
I’m calling this out as a ‘Conspiracy Theory’ to get the masses of online Raps fanaddicts to turn their disapointment in Bosh’s recently play as being caused by him wanting to leave – WHICH IS NOT THE CASE.
I honestly feel that the Raps fan community already suffers from an inferiority complex (caused by the departure of every peak franchise player we’ve had). And now, “Inside Sources” like Jalen Rose and SAS are feeding into our character flaw by trying to get us to turn on our current franchise player.
Perhaps this was perpetrated from someone inside the Bosh camp… but I highly doubt that given Bosh’s desire to protect his positive marketability image and expand his media brand.
I sincerely hope everyone in the Raps fan community takes SAS casual, off-the-cuff statement with the most microscopic grain of salt – because SAS is simply repeating a rumor Jalen Rose started last week.
In any event, I’m sure BC will successfully reverse this “rumour” by acquiring the necessary quality, all-star players to surround around Bosh to improve the team enough next year so that Bosh happily agrees to take the extra $30M+ in salary we’ll give him to remain a Toronto Raptor long past 2010.
If this is true, then it’s time to trade him and get something equally good in return than let hime walk away in 2010. BC should not commit a similar mistake that the Maple Leafs did. They did not trade Mats Sundin, who had a high market value and then letting him leave as a free-agent, took some time off and eventually signed with Vancouver. BC should find out what Bosh wants: going to a contender, or just simply plain out of Canada to a warmer area. Because Bosh was not able to prove himself as a real leader to this team and he is not in the same level as Dwight, Kobe, Lebron, DWayde, CP3. As shown in his recent plays this season, he has not asserted himself as the team’s first option and go-to guy. It has been Jose, Bargs, or Parker. And what I clearly noticed about him is that he plays bad against an opposing team’s star power forward/big man (KG, Amare, Dwight, Charlie V???…) and only plays good against the likes of Yi JianLian. I would prefer to trade him to a team in the west.
How bout this trade?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2983~3417~3204~454~1977~2010&teams=28~28~28~28~22~22&te=&cash=
I believe Aldridge is as good as Bosh (may even be better). He played well against us in that game when steve blake stole us a win. Plus we gain a bunch of young talent and a huge expiring contract. This can also be a good situation for Bosh, Portland is an emerging contender in the wild2 west, he and Brandon Roy can be a great tandem and Bosh will then have a center who can do the dirty work, and score inside in Greg Oden, since I think Bosh wants to be like Dirk, with the jumpshots that he has been mostly taking rather than driving to the rim. I think this is the best trade for the Raptors if they were to trade Bosh.
Our Starting Lineup
Bargs
Aldridge
Moon/Joey
Parker
Calderon
Bench
JO
Joey (if he does not start)
Rudy Fernandez (he can take over the 2 spot if AP does not return next season)
Roko
Bayless
Mats had a no trade clause. Not too mention, he told the world he didnt want to be a rental player, but part of a team from the beginning. He lied to us.
Now Vancouver is 0-8.
Mats is a career loser and is motivated by money.He makes teams worse. (Allen Iverson)
Yeah he did lie to us. If he wants to win and go to a contender (which we all know), he could have had his no-trade clause removed right? We then could have traded him last season and get something in return. I don’t know much about hockey, I just got some info watching sportscentre, while waiting for the NBA part.
Cause he was looking at the best contract money wise and Vancouver was that. The contenders offered him peanuts so he’s like fuck that
Maybe.
Do you think Bryan can make a pitch to MLSE and demand to go into the luxury tax this off season? Perhaps convince the board that this is our final chance to build a proper team around Chris or else he will walk and they will loose a large chunk in revenue, not to mention the fans.
Then again, they could say…Don’t come to us for a bailout, learn to keep your own house in order then maybe we will consider paying luxury tax.No one told you to draft:
Bargnani over Roy..
Trade Villanova for Ford when Gay or Aldridge, Rondo could have been had
Sign Solomon,Hassan,Ukic,Parker,Moon,Dixon,Primo,Jake,Kapono,Mitchell,
Draft Jawai over Mario Chalmers etc
Draft PJ Tucker instead of Paul Millsap
Choose Humphries over Rudy Fernandez
Had the latter moves been made instead,we are a top 4 team in the League. My honest opinion
You’re an idiot
Yes, well, hindsight is usually 20/20 – unfortunately, our eyesight qualifies as “legally blind”.
1. I am really getting tired of this argument. There was no clear-cut first overall selection in the 2006 draft and Colangeleo decided to go with the player who had the most percieved ‘upside’ at the time. Don’t forget 5 other teams passed on roy (he did get traded from minny to portland (the fifth team) but minny decided not to keep him)
2. How do you know this? I would agree with you if you can back this up
3. First off, they were not all signings.
Delfino was a trade for two second round draft picks.
Ukic was a second round draft pick
Moon was signed for the vets minimum, is he really the problem?
Primoz was traded for Dixon
4. We had the 41st pick and Chalmers was drafted with the 34th pick. Now, if you are arguing that we shouldve not made the oneal deal and kept the 18th, I doubt we would have drafted a pg because Ukic was coming over and the Raps need for a wing player
6. Are you kidding me? We traded Araujo for Hump, how in the world does that translate into not drafting Rudy. Now, if you are arguing that we shouldve drafted Rudy at 8 (araujo), that would not have happened. If anything we would have drafted iggy (a considered top three talent by most experts)
Rudy ( 20th pick) could have been had for Humphries – FACT
Villanova ( Rookie of year ) was wanted by the NBA and we could have gave him to Houston for the rights to Rudy Gay or to Chicago for the rights to Aldridge. Who knows what would have happened…Something to look into
Roy was the best player in College and he was the most NBA ready. Bargnani was a powerforward and not NBA ready. Just because other GM’s didn’t like him, Bryan should have looked past that, since he is a great gm supposedly. Draft the sure thing not a 5 yr project.
2008 -why not draft the best player at 17. You can make a trade later to even out the roster.
Just having those players I listed on the team makes me sick. crap for crap. Surely that money could have been used for a legit wing? These lateral moves have killed us and bring us nowhere among the NBA elite.
Joe, its pretty easy to take shots after the fact. Were you really on the Paul Millsap bandwagon when the 35th pick was on the clock? If so good on you, I hope you do us proud as the next Raps GM. Of course you might want to hire DinoGunner to help with the complicated stuff, like the subtle difference between signings, trades, and drafts when it comes to player acquisition. I can’t make heads or tails of it either :-)
I dunno, Khandor might be more qualified for that stuff
Hey Joe
Here’s a fun fact…Even if you right “-FACT” after something stupid you have said…it is still stupid
Villanova is a University
VillanUEVA is an nba player
YOU are an idiot
You act as if you have some insider trade knowledge about Charlie et all. Just because you can use Espns trade checker doesnt mean any of those trades are valid in any way.
As far as 2008 goes the best player at 17 sucks as do all of the players after him.
Before the Draft Chalmers was known more for Getting high with Beasly than for being a legitimate prospect.
Millsap and Fernandez were gifts to their respective teams and are both playing better than any nba Gm, believed they would. I hardly doubt that you had the insight to draft those players.
Oh and you are an idiot
I say F’em if he wants to go let him go and make sure we get something proper. I personally thought Chris Bosh checkout when Sam Mitchell got canned.
Either lets build our franchise around a solid guard not a jump shooting PF.
First: I love the Raptors fans’ passion for their team and the game. It’s so evident and I think most in the sports world/blogosphere would agree.
As a Bulls fan, I’m not sure if they will be able to be that bad the rest of the way as to get the #5 pick. But I would love to have Bosh here, and I would guess there is some combination of player(s) + pick. I’ve only seen him play a few times against Chicago this year but in both games he filled up the stat sheet, even though he didn’t shoot it all that well. I still think he’s special so I hope BC calls John Paxson!
Call me crazy, but I don’t think trading Bosh is the worst thing to do at this point.
Sure, he’s a great player… but he has not proven that he is a winner. He shies away in big games, he is susceptible to intimidation, and he less than reliable in crunch time (well, far less reliable than comparative star players). Does anyone here honestly think that a team can win a championship with CB4 as their leader/franchise player? I don’t…
If BC could get decent pieces for Bosh (and he should if he trades Bosh THIS year), I’d probably be for it.
Now, I haven’t done much playing on the espn trade machine, so i’m just floating out some possibilities: bosh for nene, jr smith, kleiza and picks; bosh and filler for biedrins, ellis, and picks, etc. Combined with JO’s contract, we should be able to do a complete overhaul…
Move Bargs to 4, get a banging defensive centre, and get some decent wings. If we are entering rebuild mode, let’s actually rebuild… from the top down.
All that said, though, Steven A. is a total idiot. It is beyond me how his guy has a job at ESPN.
Kleiza is up at the end of the year, I believe… so scratch that…
had to laugh when I opened my email today and people were mis-reading the “SAS” in the headline to mean San Antonio Spurs.
That would be a great fit for him. Trade him for Bonner and Ginoooooooooobli.
James Ballswin (Realizar),I actually had the opposite reaction. The fact that he did drop it so casually and without preamble or a ton of couching led me to believe that’s legit. And why would it be so hard to believe. Bosh is a great player and the Raps are a team without much going for it. The other top tier guys from his draft class have had a higher profile and more success. Lebron is Lebron. Wade’s got a title. Even Melo’s been to the playoffs every year since getting drafted. Bosh is stuck plugging away on a team with no real direction.
And we know he’s not the first player to want out of Toronto, Vince Carter being of course the most infamous. I seem to remember Antonio Davis wanting out of T.O. pretty badly. Same with Mo Pete. Didn’t he ask the team not to match an offer sheet when he was an RFA? Even Stoudamire bolted.
As for that $30 mil, if he gets traded he’s not leaving a dime on the table. In a trade the other team will get his Bird rights so it will be like they drafted him, and thus they can sign him for whatever the max is. And even if they don’t trade him, before his contract is up, then the Raptors will probably agree to a sign and trade. That $30 mil is nothing compared to the damage Toronto would suffer if they just let Bosh walk for nothing.
Someone comment about the possibility of trading bosh to the Warriors and i actually liked the idea. This is what i’ve tried:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1977~3249~2821~3190~2427~2789&teams=9~9~28~28~28~28&te=&cash=
Biedris is an excelent rebounder and in my point of view, a good complement to Brags because he can be moved to the 4 and let biedris to defend top nba centers like howard, bynum or oden in the future.
Belinelli is hurt right now but he was playing extremlly well before his injury. Azubuike is a good wing player who can be an upgrade in the SF spot. Turiaf is a decent back up center or PF who will help with the rebounding and in the dirty work that nobody is doing in toronto
I don’t see Golden state giving ellis in the trade
I like it… I think Turiaf would be a great bench player for us… and I like the other guys as well. Ellis might not be out of reach, though, as there appears to be bad blood between him and the organization right now
I’ve been saying that about Ellis for some time. It’s worth BC’s time to call them up about him and I’m guessing if Bosh is on the table, nobody on the Warriors would be off-limits.
The trade Raul proposed wouldn’t make us a contender unless Azubuike turns out to be a steal. We’d still need to make an FA signing to return to respectability but if Ellis is included, the equation changes.
The W’s may be more disfunctional than the Raptors but there’s no way they would give up Biedrins in that deal. I’d say Azabuike, Turiaf, one of their young bigs and a draft pick might be doable if management on the GS side ever manages to pulls its collective head out of its own a**.
If BC ships Bosh I hope he does it to a team where Bosh becomes the #1 option. If Miami or Cleveland gets him, we will probably watch Bosh win multiple championships.
I like Bosh & Kapono for Amare and Barbosa or a deal with the Knicks that nets the Raps Lee, Gallinari and an expiring contract. Chicago might be worth talking to in the off-season (maybe Deng and some filler with a pick thrown in).
Bill Simmons proposed something similar: trade Bosh and AP for Amare and Barbosa, and trade JO for Marion… you get the Phoenix Suns ver. 2.0… but, seeing as ver. 1.0 couldn’t win, I don’t know whether this is a good deal. Also, I doubt Amare would re-sign with Toronto, so you’re putting yourself in the same position (i.e. marquee player walking in 2010).
The Knicks have pieces, but I don’t know how I’d feel about a centre that can’t block shots and diesn’t defend well (David Lee). He’s a good player and all, but I think Bargs would be better paired with a true banger…
well, seeing as how we have no idea if Bosh even said this to Colangelo, all of these trade rumours are pretty useless. But, just for interest sake, what are the kind of players that you think would work for the Raps if we lost Bosh?
The only way I can see Bosh leaving as being a good thing is if they can acquire:
Classical NBA Centre:
What should the Raps look for to build on? I think, given Bargnani’s skills and the eventual shift that he becomes a focus of the front court, he moves to the 4, and we pick up a post-up/rebounder/blocker a la Okafor or Bynum. (not these people exactly, just players who play like them). Look how well Bynum works with Pau, and Dwight works with Rashard. And, sorry Jawai, you don’t count.
Athletic Wings:
We should look for athletic wings that can drive and dish, because Calderon does not seem to be that kind of point guard – he will get his assists differently. A player like Pietrus would work well. Also, if we get a solid NBA classical centre (big, rebounder, post-up) then our #3 need not be like Marion, who is valuable because of his rebounding potential. As long as he is athletic and can shoot the ball, we are good.
If we lose Bosh, our team (given Bargnani’s jumpshooting style, and Calderon’s half-court mentality) should pick up these kinds of players to make us a contender. If we keep Bosh, then, the strategy is completely different, of course – but this is all idle speculation.
BC has come out in the Globe and Mail and refuted this story.
http://sports.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090202.wsptraps0202/GSStory/GlobeSportsBasketball/home
Bosh has refuted it too
http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/581034
Bosh for Josh Howard, straight up!!!! Just supply Josh Howard with TO and BC cannibus to keep him in Canada.
Disband the Raptors they will never ever do anything to warrant a franchise in canada.
Hey, Blazer fan here. I’ve found the recent Bosh plight quite interesting, and wanted to gauge the public opinion on the Blazer chances at trading for him.
As you all know, Aldridge plays a similar game to Bosh. I wouldn’t put them on the same level, though, as Aldridge is not nearly as efficient as Bosh, due to his low number of foul shot attempts.
Here’s the thing: Portland could offer a package of Aldridge, Webster/Outlaw, and Fernandez/Bayless. Lafrentz’s expiring contract could also be worked into the deal. I will say it now, however: Fernandez and Bayless will not both leave the Blazers. Do not try to configure a deal that ships both of our scoring bench guards away.
What do Raptor fans think of this proposal? If Bosh is upset about the Toronto fan support, he can come to a place where the fans cheered the Jail Blazers for years, until Bonzi Wells upset the apple cart and flipped them off.
Thanks,
Zach
I’ll give you half the Raps for Aldridge alone, including Bosh.
Bosh for Aldridge and Fernandez – done. The salaries don’t match up so can we interest you in a Jason Kapono in exchange for the contract of your choice? You tell Pritchard, I’ll send Colangelo a letter.
I think the NBA should legalize one trade a year to be negotiated between designated team fansites.
I’m a little confused by this post. The first paragraph makes it seem like you don’t put much stock in Smith’s claim, then the second paragraph makes it seem like you think he’s onto something. Which is it?
While it’s certainly possible that this conversation happened, why would Stephen A. Smith, of all people, be the one to get the scoop? He has about as much journalistic credibility as a carnival barker or the guy from the ShamWow commercial.
I’m not believing him but wouldn’t be surprised if he’s right given Bosh’s recent play and attitude.
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He has about as much journalistic credibility as a carnival barker or the guy from the ShamWow commercial. – by Scott Carefoot
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IMO, this is not the type of observation/critique someone like you should be making toward someone like Stephen A. Smith. : )
Arsenalist: Just because it’s theoretically possible that this conversation might have happened, that doesn’t mean it’s a good idea to link and encourage people like SAS who have a track record of making shit up to draw attention to themselves.
khandor: You’re a joke. Nobody in this business will ever take you seriously. And I’ll keep reminding you of that as long as you insist on taking me on.
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khandor: You’re a joke. Nobody in this business will ever take you seriously. And I’ll keep reminding you of that as long as you insist on taking me on. – Scott Carefoot
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Please go ahead and explain exactly what “this business” is that you think you’re in, son? … and, what makes you think anyone is interested in “taking you on”.
: ) LOL : )
my God, i thought you were going to chip in with some decisive insght at the end there, not leave it with ‘we leave it to you to decide’.
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