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		<title>By: yertu damkule</title>
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		<dc:creator>yertu damkule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>woohoo, 100!  hey, where is everyone?</description>
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		<title>By: Pizzaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pizzaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 03:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be there with you Andiamo.
Give the kid a break. Don&#039;t forget he didn&#039;t grow up playing U.S. style bbal or college ball so much of this is a learning, plus he had a shitty coach in Mitchell who really jerked him around.
By the way who&#039;s the idiot who said Bargs is paid alot because he makes as much as Kapono... are you comparing Kapono to Bargnani? Are you kidding? Do you watch the same basketball I do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be there with you Andiamo.<br />
Give the kid a break. Don&#8217;t forget he didn&#8217;t grow up playing U.S. style bbal or college ball so much of this is a learning, plus he had a shitty coach in Mitchell who really jerked him around.<br />
By the way who&#8217;s the idiot who said Bargs is paid alot because he makes as much as Kapono&#8230; are you comparing Kapono to Bargnani? Are you kidding? Do you watch the same basketball I do?</p>
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		<title>By: Pizzaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pizzaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>absolutely right, and also if Bosh is convinced then he won&#039;t have to force as many shots knowing he has Bargs and the ball should be spread around which will ultimately make for better looks for Bosh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>absolutely right, and also if Bosh is convinced then he won&#8217;t have to force as many shots knowing he has Bargs and the ball should be spread around which will ultimately make for better looks for Bosh</p>
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		<title>By: Pizzaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pizzaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Bargnani&#039;s first two season&#039;s are clouding some people&#039;s judgement. I have always been in his camp and he has the talent everyone is seeing now. No one on this team has been jerked around more. He needs consistent playing time like he&#039;s getting now and a consistent role. He is the player we wanted and will only get better. Dalls wants to unload Howard because he settles for the shot too much...we don&#039;t need another SG that won&#039;t penetrate. For the guy who said the VL stay until he puts twenty great games together please show me that from Calderone, Bosh or most others...Drop the bs and give the kid some credit. Problem is when O&#039;neal returns Triano will put Bargs on the bench and get him 11 minutes one game and twenty the next...hardly what you develop players with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Bargnani&#8217;s first two season&#8217;s are clouding some people&#8217;s judgement. I have always been in his camp and he has the talent everyone is seeing now. No one on this team has been jerked around more. He needs consistent playing time like he&#8217;s getting now and a consistent role. He is the player we wanted and will only get better. Dalls wants to unload Howard because he settles for the shot too much&#8230;we don&#8217;t need another SG that won&#8217;t penetrate. For the guy who said the VL stay until he puts twenty great games together please show me that from Calderone, Bosh or most others&#8230;Drop the bs and give the kid some credit. Problem is when O&#8217;neal returns Triano will put Bargs on the bench and get him 11 minutes one game and twenty the next&#8230;hardly what you develop players with.</p>
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		<title>By: MoneyCarlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoneyCarlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Idiot in you wins RapsFan lol. Raptors win by 7:)

Still hate willie solomon tho, his retarded moves and lack of defense at the end could have cost em the game... Luckily it didnt bite him in the ass cuz wizards settled for dumb 3s at the end and missed everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Idiot in you wins RapsFan lol. Raptors win by 7:)</p>
<p>Still hate willie solomon tho, his retarded moves and lack of defense at the end could have cost em the game&#8230; Luckily it didnt bite him in the ass cuz wizards settled for dumb 3s at the end and missed everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Raps Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raps Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we equally discriminate amongst everyone here andiamo, not just pasta dishes.</description>
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		<title>By: jj</title>
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		<dc:creator>jj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bargs contract is NOT reasonable! he makes just as much as kapono and the qualifying offer for his nexx contract is 8.5 mil!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bargs contract is NOT reasonable! he makes just as much as kapono and the qualifying offer for his nexx contract is 8.5 mil!!!</p>
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		<title>By: RapthoseLeasfs</title>
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		<dc:creator>RapthoseLeasfs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Endo,
Drafting Aldridge and the conflict with Bosh (at his position) -- we could debate. Alderidge`s poor 3pt% doesn`t help - an advantage that AB brings to Bosh`s game. 

Drafting Roy would`ve been great intuition, and I like that you had your Crystal Ball working well in 06. But other GM`s didn`t have theirs -- he was a gamble they weren`t about to make. Eventually that gamble became reasonable down the draft line. 

Without getting into the AB going 1st overall debate -- a useless conversation NOW, if I`ve ever had one  -- BC saw something that, right or wrong, had Bosh at the 4, and AB at the 5. Bargs offers a solid Center (and stop thinking Dirk now), who offers quality play at a REASONABLE price. What everyone seems to forget, is how convoluted the CBA. Make the wrong move, and you screw up a team`s dynamics for years to come. I like JO, but look what his salary is doing to this team. We`re handcuffed. Not so with AB. If he can put up quality numbers, and he appears to be doing that, plus play D, which we see a big change in, then he`s good value for his spot. JO is not, and that`s where they differ. And why I think we need to keep Bargs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Endo,<br />
Drafting Aldridge and the conflict with Bosh (at his position) &#8212; we could debate. Alderidge`s poor 3pt% doesn`t help &#8211; an advantage that AB brings to Bosh`s game. </p>
<p>Drafting Roy would`ve been great intuition, and I like that you had your Crystal Ball working well in 06. But other GM`s didn`t have theirs &#8212; he was a gamble they weren`t about to make. Eventually that gamble became reasonable down the draft line. </p>
<p>Without getting into the AB going 1st overall debate &#8212; a useless conversation NOW, if I`ve ever had one  &#8212; BC saw something that, right or wrong, had Bosh at the 4, and AB at the 5. Bargs offers a solid Center (and stop thinking Dirk now), who offers quality play at a REASONABLE price. What everyone seems to forget, is how convoluted the CBA. Make the wrong move, and you screw up a team`s dynamics for years to come. I like JO, but look what his salary is doing to this team. We`re handcuffed. Not so with AB. If he can put up quality numbers, and he appears to be doing that, plus play D, which we see a big change in, then he`s good value for his spot. JO is not, and that`s where they differ. And why I think we need to keep Bargs.</p>
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		<title>By: Arsenalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arsenalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you know VL is based on a Seinfeld episode.</description>
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		<title>By: Andiamo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andiamo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its all fine and dandy being derogatory on the net,but i guarantee you this,let me be in a public place and hear someone making comments like vl or bashing euros and im slapping the fuck out of the bitch.be forewarned.....i don&#039;t get where its acceptable.im sure mocking the black players with fried chicken and watermelon nicknames isnt acceptable you classless losers...so what, we get an oriental player and were going to call him cp for crappy rice?...fucking idiotic losers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its all fine and dandy being derogatory on the net,but i guarantee you this,let me be in a public place and hear someone making comments like vl or bashing euros and im slapping the fuck out of the bitch.be forewarned&#8230;..i don&#8217;t get where its acceptable.im sure mocking the black players with fried chicken and watermelon nicknames isnt acceptable you classless losers&#8230;so what, we get an oriental player and were going to call him cp for crappy rice?&#8230;fucking idiotic losers.</p>
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		<title>By: Endo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Endo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RapthoseLeasfs (I think its supposed to be RapthoseLeafs?) - you and I are the exact opposite.  You have been in Bargnani&#039;s corner from day one and I&#039;ve been wanting to draft Roy or Aldridge from day one.  Your post about the factors that are holding back might be true but I say even after he gets over the language, Mitchell etc. barrier, he&#039;s still not a high caliber NBA player.  We get excited when he has 18 pts and 6 rebs, go check the daily box scores in the NBA and see how many players net those numbers.  Many. Point is that he could be a good player, but nothing worth hanging on to at all costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RapthoseLeasfs (I think its supposed to be RapthoseLeafs?) &#8211; you and I are the exact opposite.  You have been in Bargnani&#8217;s corner from day one and I&#8217;ve been wanting to draft Roy or Aldridge from day one.  Your post about the factors that are holding back might be true but I say even after he gets over the language, Mitchell etc. barrier, he&#8217;s still not a high caliber NBA player.  We get excited when he has 18 pts and 6 rebs, go check the daily box scores in the NBA and see how many players net those numbers.  Many. Point is that he could be a good player, but nothing worth hanging on to at all costs.</p>
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		<title>By: RapthoseLeasfs</title>
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		<dc:creator>RapthoseLeasfs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“I think Bargnani’s last five games are clouding a lot of peoples’ judgment and they’re scared that they might be giving away a budding superstar.”

Arsenalist,
The latter part of your comment, I can go with. But clouding my judgment – for what it’s worth – is not how I’ve looked at the past 5 games. Call me an eternal optimist, but I’ve never been out of AB’s corner. And yes, one can look at the circumstances for Barg’s progress as excuses, but what else would you like to call them. 

Factors play a part in any development, and with AB, I think there were many. Language, new country, Mitchell, proper minutes, rabid fans, plus learning a position that really isn’t so different, but is. Then add teams who adapted to his play – while Bargs was not quite so. Throw in a heavy dose of doubt, and you have our 5 man. Someone -- who despite all this -- has a talent under all that.  

We started to see that guy this year. Then somewhere along the line, we got into the experimental phase – one where Bargs might’ve started at the PG position if we thought we could win more games. 

So now Mitch is gone, the language and country are rounding into form, fans are happier with him (and this is where the 5 game stint helps), add more minutes, and secure a position. We still have the rabid fans – can’t change that – but we can focus on his confidence. And that’s another reason why the last 5 games mean something. 

I guess we could trade him, to someone who sees all that. But it would be a shame to let someone we’ve dragged through all this, shine somewhere else. It’s a trend in Toronto – and maybe more a Leaf trait – that turns fans off. We all know sports is a business, but sometimes we’d just like to be there, when the business gets started. And grows up. Kinda like having a baby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I think Bargnani’s last five games are clouding a lot of peoples’ judgment and they’re scared that they might be giving away a budding superstar.”</p>
<p>Arsenalist,<br />
The latter part of your comment, I can go with. But clouding my judgment – for what it’s worth – is not how I’ve looked at the past 5 games. Call me an eternal optimist, but I’ve never been out of AB’s corner. And yes, one can look at the circumstances for Barg’s progress as excuses, but what else would you like to call them. </p>
<p>Factors play a part in any development, and with AB, I think there were many. Language, new country, Mitchell, proper minutes, rabid fans, plus learning a position that really isn’t so different, but is. Then add teams who adapted to his play – while Bargs was not quite so. Throw in a heavy dose of doubt, and you have our 5 man. Someone &#8212; who despite all this &#8212; has a talent under all that.  </p>
<p>We started to see that guy this year. Then somewhere along the line, we got into the experimental phase – one where Bargs might’ve started at the PG position if we thought we could win more games. </p>
<p>So now Mitch is gone, the language and country are rounding into form, fans are happier with him (and this is where the 5 game stint helps), add more minutes, and secure a position. We still have the rabid fans – can’t change that – but we can focus on his confidence. And that’s another reason why the last 5 games mean something. </p>
<p>I guess we could trade him, to someone who sees all that. But it would be a shame to let someone we’ve dragged through all this, shine somewhere else. It’s a trend in Toronto – and maybe more a Leaf trait – that turns fans off. We all know sports is a business, but sometimes we’d just like to be there, when the business gets started. And grows up. Kinda like having a baby.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howard should come to toronto we have better weed for him to smoke</description>
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		<title>By: Arsenalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arsenalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, its Yusuf Islam now.</description>
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		<title>By: Raps Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raps Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ahhh, thats better...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ahhh, thats better&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Raps Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raps Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great, another draft pick gone, what is that, 4 draft picks bc has traded away? and we wonder why we don&#039;t have any young talent...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great, another draft pick gone, what is that, 4 draft picks bc has traded away? and we wonder why we don&#8217;t have any young talent&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: KD</title>
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		<dc:creator>KD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, that should read that we GOT a conditional second round pick.</description>
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		<title>By: OntarioTeachersFundPresident</title>
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		<dc:creator>OntarioTeachersFundPresident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bosh is missing a testicle??!!!?!?!?! I NEVER KNEW</description>
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		<title>By: Scott G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Parker + Kapono = Howard??

No chance unless Josh shares some of his stash with Cube.  Wait a minute...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parker + Kapono = Howard??</p>
<p>No chance unless Josh shares some of his stash with Cube.  Wait a minute&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: d279</title>
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		<dc:creator>d279</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something is going down....Hasam Adams to the Clippers...yipee!!!
Now who is going to become CB4&#039;s new ball washer .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something is going down&#8230;.Hasam Adams to the Clippers&#8230;yipee!!!<br />
Now who is going to become CB4&#8217;s new ball washer .</p>
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