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		<title>By: khandor</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2008/12/09/in-the-kings-house-the-raptors-are-the-court-jesters/#comment-11495</link>
		<dc:creator>khandor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Cavs? Or, the Raptors?</description>
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		<title>By: khandor</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2008/12/09/in-the-kings-house-the-raptors-are-the-court-jesters/#comment-11493</link>
		<dc:creator>khandor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which team is that, yertu? Which team do you hate?</description>
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		<title>By: yertu damkule</title>
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		<dc:creator>yertu damkule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i hate this fucking &#039;team.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hate this fucking &#8216;team.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: FAQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>FAQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey ... the Ratpors could pull off an upset if the Cavs are too ... casual.

Enjoy the game ... btw, it&#039;s better if the sound is very low or entirely muted to avoid the histrionic announcing of the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey &#8230; the Ratpors could pull off an upset if the Cavs are too &#8230; casual.</p>
<p>Enjoy the game &#8230; btw, it&#8217;s better if the sound is very low or entirely muted to avoid the histrionic announcing of the game.</p>
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		<title>By: nunya</title>
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		<dc:creator>nunya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It isn&#039;t &quot;Bosh against Wallace&quot; ....Varejao is just one of MANY &quot;role players&quot; who can shut down Bosh, the MVP superstar.
The Raptors don&#039;t have an edge anywhere.... Bosh&#039;s big scoring games are only effective against bottom feeders.... the top teams never have a problem beating the Raptors no matter what Bosh does.
It would be a true sign of progress if they could beat the Cavaliers, because they would have to actually exhibit some STRENGTH...I ain&#039;t holding my breath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t &#8220;Bosh against Wallace&#8221; &#8230;.Varejao is just one of MANY &#8220;role players&#8221; who can shut down Bosh, the MVP superstar.<br />
The Raptors don&#8217;t have an edge anywhere&#8230;. Bosh&#8217;s big scoring games are only effective against bottom feeders&#8230;. the top teams never have a problem beating the Raptors no matter what Bosh does.<br />
It would be a true sign of progress if they could beat the Cavaliers, because they would have to actually exhibit some STRENGTH&#8230;I ain&#8217;t holding my breath.</p>
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		<title>By: khandor</title>
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		<dc:creator>khandor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TAllin,

No confusion here, friend.

When did anyone ask for you to give an example?

Or, when did you mention that what you were doing was giving an example? [until now, of course]

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If you want to give an example to illustrate clearly what you&#039;re trying to say about &lt;i&gt;&quot;help never ever being given properly from a defender positioned in a corner of the floor against a hot 3PT-shooter, stationed in that spot&quot;&lt;/i&gt;, if the dribble penetration comes down the lane from the top of the key towards his side of the floor, then, by all means, go ahead and explain yourself further? ... possibly, by identifying [i] where exactly on the court each of the 10 players are to start the sequence, [ii] what the ball&#039;s starting position is,  [iii] what the ball&#039;s movement is, and [iv] what the resulting player movement is.

Cause, in that case ... I&#039;m all ears &amp; eyes. : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TAllin,</p>
<p>No confusion here, friend.</p>
<p>When did anyone ask for you to give an example?</p>
<p>Or, when did you mention that what you were doing was giving an example? [until now, of course]</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>If you want to give an example to illustrate clearly what you&#8217;re trying to say about <i>&#8220;help never ever being given properly from a defender positioned in a corner of the floor against a hot 3PT-shooter, stationed in that spot&#8221;</i>, if the dribble penetration comes down the lane from the top of the key towards his side of the floor, then, by all means, go ahead and explain yourself further? &#8230; possibly, by identifying [i] where exactly on the court each of the 10 players are to start the sequence, [ii] what the ball&#8217;s starting position is,  [iii] what the ball&#8217;s movement is, and [iv] what the resulting player movement is.</p>
<p>Cause, in that case &#8230; I&#8217;m all ears &amp; eyes. : )</p>
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		<title>By: TAllin</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2008/12/09/in-the-kings-house-the-raptors-are-the-court-jesters/#comment-11469</link>
		<dc:creator>TAllin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK.

I get it.

You don&#039;t like examples - I&#039;ll stop trying to use examples from the game last night where Calderon got burnt....Sorry for confusing you friend:)

I can&#039;t be more clear when I say &quot;you don&#039;t leave a hot three point shooter to help&quot; - ever.

Although you&#039;re a good guy who I suspect likes to help everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK.</p>
<p>I get it.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t like examples &#8211; I&#8217;ll stop trying to use examples from the game last night where Calderon got burnt&#8230;.Sorry for confusing you friend:)</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t be more clear when I say &#8220;you don&#8217;t leave a hot three point shooter to help&#8221; &#8211; ever.</p>
<p>Although you&#8217;re a good guy who I suspect likes to help everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: khandor</title>
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		<dc:creator>khandor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TAllin,

What are you talking about with, &quot; ... at the top of the circle&quot;?

Who said anything about [Calderon or anyone else] providing help at that location on the floor? : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TAllin,</p>
<p>What are you talking about with, &#8221; &#8230; at the top of the circle&#8221;?</p>
<p>Who said anything about [Calderon or anyone else] providing help at that location on the floor? : )</p>
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		<title>By: TAllin</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2008/12/09/in-the-kings-house-the-raptors-are-the-court-jesters/#comment-11466</link>
		<dc:creator>TAllin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a ridiculous argument.  No coach in the NBA would ever preach such activity.  The ball moves too fast in the NBA for help to arrive at the top of the circle. The three point shooter would be left open all day nailing three after three.

Oh wait...that’s what happens in Toronto.  Never mind.

Thank god I’m a Detroit fan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a ridiculous argument.  No coach in the NBA would ever preach such activity.  The ball moves too fast in the NBA for help to arrive at the top of the circle. The three point shooter would be left open all day nailing three after three.</p>
<p>Oh wait&#8230;that’s what happens in Toronto.  Never mind.</p>
<p>Thank god I’m a Detroit fan</p>
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		<title>By: James Ballswin (Realizar)</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Ballswin (Realizar)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#40 (Joey) - Danny Ferry built a team around arguably THE BEST PLAYER EVER who was acqhuired via a lottery.

Ferry/Cavs Front Office are more &#039;lucky&#039; than skilled in having acquired LBJ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#40 (Joey) &#8211; Danny Ferry built a team around arguably THE BEST PLAYER EVER who was acqhuired via a lottery.</p>
<p>Ferry/Cavs Front Office are more &#8216;lucky&#8217; than skilled in having acquired LBJ.</p>
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		<title>By: khandor</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2008/12/09/in-the-kings-house-the-raptors-are-the-court-jesters/#comment-11464</link>
		<dc:creator>khandor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TAllin, 

If the rules on your particular NBA team say to help vs a specific drive situation, then, as a player on that team, you best be leaving that hot 3PT-shooter open, momentarily, and then depend on your &#039;bredren&#039; to rotate out; or, be prepared to suffer the wrath of your coaching staff and the vets on your squad. 

No mocking or talking down intended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TAllin, </p>
<p>If the rules on your particular NBA team say to help vs a specific drive situation, then, as a player on that team, you best be leaving that hot 3PT-shooter open, momentarily, and then depend on your &#8216;bredren&#8217; to rotate out; or, be prepared to suffer the wrath of your coaching staff and the vets on your squad. </p>
<p>No mocking or talking down intended.</p>
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		<title>By: TAllin</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2008/12/09/in-the-kings-house-the-raptors-are-the-court-jesters/#comment-11463</link>
		<dc:creator>TAllin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Khandor Khandor Khandor...thanks for mocking me or attempting to talk down to me....almost made me think about what I actually said.

Appreciate your view....for what it&#039;s worth (not sarcastic at all...wait a second).

And obviously it depends on where the five players are.

But you can&#039;t forget overriding defensive rules, which trump any &#039;force baseline&#039; or &#039;forcemiddle&#039; defensive philophosy.

Don&#039;t leave a three point shooter to help, especially one that&#039;s hot.  It&#039;s really simple actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Khandor Khandor Khandor&#8230;thanks for mocking me or attempting to talk down to me&#8230;.almost made me think about what I actually said.</p>
<p>Appreciate your view&#8230;.for what it&#8217;s worth (not sarcastic at all&#8230;wait a second).</p>
<p>And obviously it depends on where the five players are.</p>
<p>But you can&#8217;t forget overriding defensive rules, which trump any &#8216;force baseline&#8217; or &#8216;forcemiddle&#8217; defensive philophosy.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t leave a three point shooter to help, especially one that&#8217;s hot.  It&#8217;s really simple actually.</p>
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		<title>By: khandor</title>
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		<dc:creator>khandor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lesterbain,

re: #59

IMO, this is by design, according to the unique defensive system which each team plays.

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From my perspective, while it&#039;s okay for a team to one finesse defensive player like Chris Bosh, it is by no means okay to have a whole boatload of them ... which is the Raptors&#039; situation since Feb/2006 [for the most part].

------------

For the most part, Feschuk got it right yesterday.

When your team can&#039;t Rebound in the NBA ... it means that you better go out and get some more players who can rebound, to go with the one you have already.

And, the same applies to defending 1-on-1 in the Low Post with a certain degree of physicality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lesterbain,</p>
<p>re: #59</p>
<p>IMO, this is by design, according to the unique defensive system which each team plays.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>From my perspective, while it&#8217;s okay for a team to one finesse defensive player like Chris Bosh, it is by no means okay to have a whole boatload of them &#8230; which is the Raptors&#8217; situation since Feb/2006 [for the most part].</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>For the most part, Feschuk got it right yesterday.</p>
<p>When your team can&#8217;t Rebound in the NBA &#8230; it means that you better go out and get some more players who can rebound, to go with the one you have already.</p>
<p>And, the same applies to defending 1-on-1 in the Low Post with a certain degree of physicality.</p>
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		<title>By: khandor</title>
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		<dc:creator>khandor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TAllin, TAllin, TAllin ...

The Answer to the Riddle is ... it depends, on where the offense has its five players located.

[in general, simplistic positional-based rotation rules like &quot;closest big, steps up&quot; ... do not hold court in the NBA environment]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TAllin, TAllin, TAllin &#8230;</p>
<p>The Answer to the Riddle is &#8230; it depends, on where the offense has its five players located.</p>
<p>[in general, simplistic positional-based rotation rules like "closest big, steps up" ... do not hold court in the NBA environment]</p>
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		<title>By: khandor</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2008/12/09/in-the-kings-house-the-raptors-are-the-court-jesters/#comment-11460</link>
		<dc:creator>khandor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon,

You&#039;ll get no dispute from me, re:&quot; the tactical advantages of &quot;forcing baseline&quot; vs &quot;forcing middle&quot;.

That&#039;s not what I&#039;m talking about here, however ... i.e. whether one way is superior to the other, especially at this level of competition and depending on the nature of a team&#039;s specific personnel.

FACT IS ... though ... there is little, if any, inherent advantage to playing the game one way or the other, as long as it fits with the personnel on your team, as there have always been very good coaches who believed thoroughly in the advantages of &quot;forcing to the middle&quot;, where their shot-blocker is and they can defend in numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon,</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll get no dispute from me, re:&#8221; the tactical advantages of &#8220;forcing baseline&#8221; vs &#8220;forcing middle&#8221;.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not what I&#8217;m talking about here, however &#8230; i.e. whether one way is superior to the other, especially at this level of competition and depending on the nature of a team&#8217;s specific personnel.</p>
<p>FACT IS &#8230; though &#8230; there is little, if any, inherent advantage to playing the game one way or the other, as long as it fits with the personnel on your team, as there have always been very good coaches who believed thoroughly in the advantages of &#8220;forcing to the middle&#8221;, where their shot-blocker is and they can defend in numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: TAllin</title>
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		<dc:creator>TAllin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Khandor - not true at all.

The defence is &#039;force&#039; middle - not &#039;trap&#039; middle.

The two guard (AP) foreces Roy middle.  It&#039;s not on Calderon to fall back at that point leaving his man WIDE open.  Closest big steps up if necessary and other big recovers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Khandor &#8211; not true at all.</p>
<p>The defence is &#8216;force&#8217; middle &#8211; not &#8216;trap&#8217; middle.</p>
<p>The two guard (AP) foreces Roy middle.  It&#8217;s not on Calderon to fall back at that point leaving his man WIDE open.  Closest big steps up if necessary and other big recovers.</p>
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		<title>By: khandor</title>
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		<dc:creator>khandor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TAllin,

Actually, IMO ... Jose doesn&#039;t look as though he&#039;s working nearly hard enough ... at least, not to this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TAllin,</p>
<p>Actually, IMO &#8230; Jose doesn&#8217;t look as though he&#8217;s working nearly hard enough &#8230; at least, not to this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spurs/Boston/Lakers/Detroi... pretty much all of them force the drive baseline... forcing middle is a viable option, but it seems to make sense that with athletes as quick and big as they are in the NBA, having the out-of-bounds line to your advantage would give your set defense more time and less area to cover than forcing the ball middle. If those teams mentioned above all think that then surely that&#039;s worth noting, and even O&#039;Neal admitted that&#039;s what he used to do in Indiana, which for a long time was a Rick Carlisle tea -- a pretty disciplined defensive coach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spurs/Boston/Lakers/Detroi&#8230; pretty much all of them force the drive baseline&#8230; forcing middle is a viable option, but it seems to make sense that with athletes as quick and big as they are in the NBA, having the out-of-bounds line to your advantage would give your set defense more time and less area to cover than forcing the ball middle. If those teams mentioned above all think that then surely that&#8217;s worth noting, and even O&#8217;Neal admitted that&#8217;s what he used to do in Indiana, which for a long time was a Rick Carlisle tea &#8212; a pretty disciplined defensive coach.</p>
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		<title>By: khandor</title>
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		<dc:creator>khandor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TAllin,

The rotation rules you&#039;re applying do not cover the sequence of events which need to occur if a team is &quot;forcing to the middle&quot;.

And, if you recall from the post-game interviews, there were times that the Raptors mentioned when they were momentarily confused on defense, as to which player was exactly responsible for doing what, as they are in the midst of making this specific systemic change-over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TAllin,</p>
<p>The rotation rules you&#8217;re applying do not cover the sequence of events which need to occur if a team is &#8220;forcing to the middle&#8221;.</p>
<p>And, if you recall from the post-game interviews, there were times that the Raptors mentioned when they were momentarily confused on defense, as to which player was exactly responsible for doing what, as they are in the midst of making this specific systemic change-over.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey</title>
		<link>http://raptorsrepublic.com/2008/12/09/in-the-kings-house-the-raptors-are-the-court-jesters/#comment-11455</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey</dc:creator>
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