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re: Possession Outcomes

Some of it is on my blog, sprinkled here and there. It’s simply too much to publish in high volumes, never-mind on someone else’s site, like RR.

Even though I do not agree with some of the notions which have been developed and promoted recently by the likes of Dean Oliver, Kevin Pelton, and other highly reputable individuals, in the hoops’ number-crunching field, there is much to be learned from visiting their respective sites.

If I recall correctly, Dean even has an example on his site of a specific type of Possession Outcome notation which many NBA teams use to record what actually happens in a game for their own evaluation purposes.

For those who really want to understand how the NBA game actually works, it’s essential that you at least know the format, the terms of reference, and the sort of info being kept by these teams’ assistant coaches when they breakdown tape in this League.

re: what you see or don’t see when watching a game

I agree with Coach Bob Knight. When it comes to understanding basketball … THIS is the single most important aspect of the game.

re: From your logic Khandor, you have claimed in the past that O’neal should not be starting and should be getting 9/10th man minutes. From that, i am assuming you want bargnani to get top 8 minutes. But, why not play o’neal is bargs defense is that bad? Does bargnani really contribute that much extra to offense that playing o’neal for primarily defensive purposes makes the raptors worse off?

1. As a former No. 1 [overall] Pick, who the Raptors are counting on in a big way, Bargnani needs to be playing major meaningful minutes in each game this season.

2. IMO … the effect one player has in a NBA game is not limited to his individual performance. In part, it is also distributed to his teammates and his opponents, in terms of Rebounding, Defense and Offense. Working out the best rotation possible for a High End team in the NBA is rarely as simple as, “Bargnani is bad at Defense; O’Neal is good at Defense and, therefore, should be starting ahead of Il Mago.”

BTW, this is a fascinating discussion that’s going on.

Actually that previous comment to you should read like this, instead …

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re: the different parts you asked about

They’re in bold below …

re. charges – no idea, but i remember jose drawing at least one.

khan – so, just to make sure i’m following…the raps don’t need JO in the lineup, as long as bargs does the things on D & rebounding that JO already does? you seem to be stating:

a) bargs D/rebounding is a considerable liability (’Bargnani’s performance, thus far, in these two sub-categories is the worst of any Raptor, by a wide margin.’),
b) once he improves these facets, the raps, as a team, will be better defensively (’Once he addresses these two areas of his individual defensive game…the Raptors overall defensive performance will improve substantially.’),
c) at present, the raps don’t need JO (’The Raptors do not need to have Jermaine O’Neal on the floor to be a highly effective defensive team.’)

um, so, if they need bargs to improve (say, to JO’s level, or close to it) defensively & on the glass…isn’t it safe to assume that if they had a guy who already does both at JO’s level (i.e. JO himself), they wouldn’t be better NOW, as a team, in those areas?
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… because I missed one the first time through.

I know Bargnani’s defense is much improved from last year. I have seen it watching the game, I do not need to watch the same game multiple times to come to that conclusion.

From your logic Khandor, you have claimed in the past that O’neal should not be starting and should be getting 9/10th man minutes. From that, i am assuming you want bargnani to get top 8 minutes. But, why not play o’neal is bargs defense is that bad? Does bargnani really contribute that much extra to offense that playing o’neal for primarily defensive purposes makes the raptors worse off?

Raptor Republic, would it be possible to stream today’s game on your site. It would be greatly appreciated.

See?

re: the different parts you asked about

They’re in bold below …

khan – so, just to make sure i’m following…the raps don’t need JO in the lineup, as long as bargs does the things on D & rebounding that JO already does? you seem to be stating:

a) bargs D/rebounding is a considerable liability (’Bargnani’s performance, thus far, in these two sub-categories is the worst of any Raptor, by a wide margin.’),
b) once he improves these facets, the raps, as a team, will be better defensively (’Once he addresses these two areas of his individual defensive game…the Raptors overall defensive performance will improve substantially.’),
c) at present, the raps don’t need JO (’The Raptors do not need to have Jermaine O’Neal on the floor to be a highly effective defensive team.’)

um, so, if they need bargs to improve (say, to JO’s level, or close to it) defensively & on the glass…isn’t it safe to assume that if they had a guy who already does both at JO’s level (i.e. JO himself), they wouldn’t be better NOW, as a team, in those areas?
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At least, it’s never dull when dealing with you.

Then it seems to me as though we can both agree that it’s impossible for you to point that out.

Would have preferred me to include the following disclaimer at the beginning of my orginal comment?

[Almost-?] Nobody here is going to agree with me about this … but, hey, what the heck, here goes nothing …

If so, then, just pretend it’s there anyways.

But please, don’t reduce this to a “he said…she said” argument…which you clearly seem to thrive on, as I am not the first person you have demanded to tell you where you said something.

Please point out where I said, that’s what you said in your comment? : )

I did not say that Bargnani’s Transition Defense in the game against the Lakers was the worst of the Raptors’ players by a wide margin.

If that’s what you think I said, then you’d better read what I wrote a second [first-?] time. :-)

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d279,

If Bargnani’s Transition Defense is by far the worst on this team, as I think it is, what need is there for me to discuss the Transition Defense of the other players, as well?

[e.g. You are welcome to point out how poor their performance is in this area of the game, if that is what you want to do.]

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question,

: )

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yertu,

It works better if you don’t attempt to “re-arrange” what I said into your own words … and then try to pass them off as somehow being mine. : )

Your interpretations of what I’ve written on-line are seldom, if ever, accurate … and, therefore, get nowhere fast.

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Tinman,

If you think Bargnani’s [i] Transition Defense and his [ii] Pick & Roll/Pop Defense have not hurt the Raptors so far this season … you are free to continue thinking that way. I will not try to change your mind. Based on what you’ve said thus far on this site, you are someone who does not value the information which NBA teams keep on their own players, in the form of Possession Outcomes in each and every game. As such, there is really no point whatsoever in you reading anything which I write. Perhaps you’ll be a lot happier if you simply scroll by my comments here and never visit my blog. It’s okay, I won’t be offended.

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re: #16,

That’s correct. IMO, the Raptors are in definite need of a “4th Big” to back-up their Rock, Chris Bosh [C]. Preferably, a solid vet, who doesn’t require a lot of touches or shots to be effective, who can make a mid-range jumpshot, is an outstanding passer, with a high bball IQ, and a reputation throughout the League as a winner [because he's played on winning/championship calibre teams]. And, if that player could also, somehow, carry a price-tag that has him listed as the 12th highest expiring contract in the NBA for the current season, that would qualify as the icing on the cake.