Bunch of great plays from Joey Graham here in the fourth quarter.

I’ll agree that Boston is an “extreme” example. There are still lots of other teams where he just doesn’t have the monster games, like against the “lowly” teams, which in essence, is logical. The point is, without getting into the minute details, against elite teams in the league, superstars and MVPs take their games to another level and step up. It seems to me that has not been the case with him, and yes we can start attributing that to his team mates, but again, he shrinks when the competition at his position is better or at par, elite players do not.

We are not going to convince each other of the others view, we should just accept it.. kinda like me and Khandor do not agree on Jose.

Maybe Chris will go out and average 55 17 and 12 on this trip and erase my doubts.. let’s see what happens.

Dwyane Wade was held to 13 points, 3 rebounds and 4 assists per game in three meetings against Boston last year. Does that make him a player who shrinks against big teams?

How about Tim Duncan? He had 16 and 11 and the Celtics shut him down in both fourth quarters of close games.

Of course not. Bosh had a bad game, it wasn’t his first and it won’t be his last.

Bosh’s bad game is attributed to three things:
(1) He’s not a robot, he has bad games like all players do
(2) Boston are the best defensive team in the league and KG is the DpoY, and it’s a matchup that’s very difficult for him. Also consider that Boston shuts down more top players in this league than any other.
(3) Boston outclasses the Raptors. Give Bosh two Hall of Famers and a great supporting cast and see how long his struggles last.

I completely agree Bosh hasn’t been an MVP caliber player at this point. I regard him as an All-NBA level player.

I’m saying that the theory that Bosh shrinks against top teams is wrong.
I’m saying that the theory that Bosh only has those monster games against bad teams is wrong.

But they play different positions, and score in different ways. Does AI get as many from the stripe?

What it comes down to is what you consider ELITE (regardless of playoffs)teams, the middle, and lowly, I guess. I still contend, that against ELITE teams, Bosh shrinks or doesn’t have those “amazing” nights.
Again, I didn’t see Boston, Lakers, Utah, San Antonio, Dallas on there, teams that Joey and I mentioned. The Wizards and Hornets are your best arguments. And how many games total has he played against them in that span and performed that well.

I really don’t care, but if he’s gonna start talking MVP, the stats IMO do not justify it. Unless of course we want to talk about this season, thus far.

I think Bosh is a great 2nd tier player who can be a perfect compliment to a superstar. Has the talent to score 25/10 a night but to completely shut down the opposite team in a playoff series? That’s a whole different ball game.

And in terms of prolific and explosive scoring Iverson is one of the best to ever set foot on an NBA court. Iverson’s scoring prowess makes him an unfair comparison to Bosh, a comparison that should dwarf Bosh’s accomplishments. The comparison was for context because I believe it shows Bosh has done very well in this regard.

I don’t have any demands or expectation, because as I have stated earlier, whether Chris scores 50 every night for 3 seasons straight and this team exits in the first round, I could care less (about his numbers). Conversely, I could care less if he does the same and they win the chip. It’s a team game, I care about the team success.

LeBron James did play in the game I described above (Nov 24 2007). He played 45 minutes and had a triple double and 37 points of his own.

I already pointed out that Chris Paul and Bulter/Arenas didn’t play in those two games.

How about a comparison? Let’s choose Allen Iverson.

Iverson ranks third All-Time in NBA History with a career average of 27.4ppg. Over the past two and a bit seasons he’s averaged around 26 points a game. He is one of the most explosive scorers in NBA History and played for a gun slinging fastbreak team.

Over the same period of time, Iverson has 17 games of 35+ points and has done so in 135 contests for the Nuggets. During that time, Bosh played 150 games (15 more) and had his 13 games of 35+ points.

The list of team’s Iverson abused – Toronto, Seattle, Portland, Phoenix, Philadelphia, Minnesota, Miami, Lakers, Clippers, Houston (twice), Golden State (twice), Dallas, Cleveland, Chicago (twice). I count 6 contenders there, large number of playoff teams, and four lottery teams. So the same number of contenders, the split on the others changes from 7-3 to 10-4.

This is one of the most explosive scorers in NBA History, and a man who ranks third all time in points per game. He’s a lethal scorer. Bosh isn’t, and I think compares fairly well to him.

I think your expectations/demands are too high Fluxland.

Now Tonight no Josh Smith to guard him so expect him to score 35 again. Charlotte yesterday no Jason Richardson.

See what I mean?

Utah and Lakers next week with No Boozer or Bynum playing if we still loose ……….

The funny thing about stats is that they can be manipulated to say what you want them to say. Stats lie, oh they so lie!

So, no we really can’t stop saying that. Also 13 games out of 246 – 5% umm, no I don’t think we can.

(Thanks for supplying some much needed context, btw)